Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - May 18, 2024

[ironbeard]

I find it laughable that so many Fury haters have taken this opportunity to denigrate him as “a second rate heavy weight,” “European level,” etc.

Has Fury been blown up as an atg or even the GOAT by legions of his fans? Yes. Have I been critical of Fury for his antics and lack of discipline over the years? Absolutely.

But, anyone claiming that Fury is a second rate heavy weight based on last night’s performance is self-clowning in public or blindingly intoxicated or both.
And anyone claiming that Tyson Fury is Euro level is just blind.

Those making such ignorant claims are denigrating Usyk, the world’s champion boxer, backhandedly.

[JoeCorrao]

IMHO
Fury wouldn't have beaten Lennox Lewis, or either Klitschos in their primes (When he beat Klitscho it was a nice way of handing him the title). TF wouldn't have beaten a prime Larry Holmes or George Foreman. He throws slap punches and occasionally a solid shot. He holds and hits (British tactic in general) and his greatest asset is his bulk when he pulls down on the back of the neck. He was the champ in the absolute weakest era for HW in my memory.

[JoeCorrao]

I disagree with those saying the fight should have been stopped in the 9th.

Yes, Usyk battered Fury from pillar to post in that round, however, this is the biggest fight there can be and under such conditions the fighters need to go out on their shields.

What was worse was one of the judges scoring it for Fury.
This was a UD for Usyk any way you slice it.

Shouldn't have been stopped but 2 times previous to the count the ropes prevented TF from hitting the deck. I'll give him props for not fully going down.

[JoeCorrao]

I find it laughable that so many Fury haters have taken this opportunity to denigrate him as “a second rate heavy weight,” “European level,” etc.

Has Fury been blown up as an atg or even the GOAT by legions of his fans? Yes. Have I been critical of Fury for his antics and lack of discipline over the years? Absolutely.

But, anyone claiming that Fury is a second rate heavy weight based on last night’s performance is self-clowning in public or blindingly intoxicated or both.
And anyone claiming that Tyson Fury is Euro level is just blind.

Those making such ignorant claims are denigrating Usyk, the world’s champion boxer, backhandedly.

Speaking of backhanders, TF threw several during the fight.

[ironbeard]

I find it laughable that so many Fury haters have taken this opportunity to denigrate him as “a second rate heavy weight,” “European level,” etc.

Has Fury been blown up as an atg or even the GOAT by legions of his fans? Yes. Have I been critical of Fury for his antics and lack of discipline over the years? Absolutely.

But, anyone claiming that Fury is a second rate heavy weight based on last night’s performance is self-clowning in public or blindingly intoxicated or both.
And anyone claiming that Tyson Fury is Euro level is just blind.

Those making such ignorant claims are denigrating Usyk, the world’s champion boxer, backhandedly.

Speaking of backhanders, TF threw several during the fight.

Fury threw everything he could at Usyk, and he nearly prevailed. I have been VERY critical of the big oaf over the years but he came to win last night and only lost to The World’s Champion Boxer.

Fury has 0 to be ashamed of, with the huge exception of his terrible post fight comments.

[giacomino]

I find it laughable that so many Fury haters have taken this opportunity to denigrate him as “a second rate heavy weight,” “European level,” etc.

You should never take what fight fans say seriously within 72 hours of a fight. One poster on here called him the greatest fighter of all time after the scores were announced. Another poster on here childishly trolled Usyk during the fight, then started a poll saying he was #1 p4P in the world.

[Tony1244]

The extreme comments here are just as nutty as extreme political comments.

Myths: Fury is a second rate bum. Fury is GOAT
Fact: Fury is an excellent fighter, partially due to his size. But he can also switch stances very well, and has a decent jab.

Fury lost to a great fighter. Usyk's boxing resume is quite good last time I checked. Fury has nothing to be ashamed for as a champion. He just says stupid things when he talks.

Where is that guy EO who always predicted fights by who weighed more?

[ironbeard]

I find it laughable that so many Fury haters have taken this opportunity to denigrate him as “a second rate heavy weight,” “European level,” etc.

You should never take what fight fans say seriously within 72 hours of a fight. One poster on here called him the greatest fighter of all time after the scores were announced. Another poster on here childishly trolled Usyk during the fight, then started a poll saying he was #1 p4P in the world.

True.

There were some hilariously drunk posters on the RBR on B&I last night.

[funso banjo baby]

Did anyone think this was a mega bill ?

Seemed fairly average

[izabelisk]

Is it normal that Usyk is #2 borxrec after Joshua that he beat already 2 times?

[ironbeard]

Did anyone think this was a mega bill ?

Seemed fairly average

Mega relative to what? In the last 20 years there have been very few bills better. Mainly, the excellent cards are due to the absolute monarchy’s money.

It was a damned decent card.

[NazNaci1]

I find it laughable that so many Fury haters have taken this opportunity to denigrate him as “a second rate heavy weight,” “European level,” etc.

Has Fury been blown up as an atg or even the GOAT by legions of his fans? Yes. Have I been critical of Fury for his antics and lack of discipline over the years? Absolutely.

But, anyone claiming that Fury is a second rate heavy weight based on last night’s performance is self-clowning in public or blindingly intoxicated or both.
And anyone claiming that Tyson Fury is Euro level is just blind.

Those making such ignorant claims are denigrating Usyk, the world’s champion boxer, backhandedly.

I think, most would agree that this current era of HW's are some way behind those in 80's, 90's and early 00's. Of course, we have some talented fighters, specifically Uysk, Fury and AJ.

That said, personally, not sure they would place particularly high during those times. Naturally, its all a matter of opinion and perspective.

[ironbeard]

I find it laughable that so many Fury haters have taken this opportunity to denigrate him as “a second rate heavy weight,” “European level,” etc.

Has Fury been blown up as an atg or even the GOAT by legions of his fans? Yes. Have I been critical of Fury for his antics and lack of discipline over the years? Absolutely.

But, anyone claiming that Fury is a second rate heavy weight based on last night’s performance is self-clowning in public or blindingly intoxicated or both.
And anyone claiming that Tyson Fury is Euro level is just blind.

Those making such ignorant claims are denigrating Usyk, the world’s champion boxer, backhandedly.

I think, most would agree that this current era of HW's are some way behind those in 80's, 90's and early 00's. Of course, we have some talented fighters, specifically Uysk, Fury and AJ.

That said, personally, not sure they would place particularly high during those times. Naturally, its all a matter of opinion and perspective.

I agree that it is all subjective.

I do think that the current HW Division is better than many give it credit for. The late 20s, early 30s boxers give it a depth that did not exist just 5 years ago.

The HW Div has seldom had great depth, imo. Seldom have there been more than a handful of serious contenders.

The current division has about two handfuls of legit contenders at this point, and they would all be competitive in most other eras, if not all.

I am especially impressed with Parker, Hrgovic, and Kabayel. All of them would be underdogs v Usyk this year but they would also all be live dogs.

This is not the HW Div of 2005 - 2020.

[gilgamesh]

The extreme comments here are just as nutty as extreme political comments.

Myths: Fury is a second rate bum. Fury is GOAT
Fact: Fury is an excellent fighter, partially due to his size. But he can also switch stances very well, and has a decent jab.

Fury lost to a great fighter. Usyk's boxing resume is quite good last time I checked. Fury has nothing to be ashamed for as a champion. He just says stupid things when he talks.

Where is that guy EO who always predicted fights by who weighed more?

That's the thing that I enjoy most about this outcome. I remember having those debates on here about how there needs to be a Super Heavyweight division because smaller guys just can't possibly compete with these big behemoths, I made the argument that we've already seen in the past that yes they can, and now the next time some idiot brings that up. I won't have to go far into the past at all.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I find it laughable that so many Fury haters have taken this opportunity to denigrate him as “a second rate heavy weight,” “European level,” etc.

Has Fury been blown up as an atg or even the GOAT by legions of his fans? Yes. Have I been critical of Fury for his antics and lack of discipline over the years? Absolutely.

But, anyone claiming that Fury is a second rate heavy weight based on last night’s performance is self-clowning in public or blindingly intoxicated or both.
And anyone claiming that Tyson Fury is Euro level is just blind.

Those making such ignorant claims are denigrating Usyk, the world’s champion boxer, backhandedly.

100 percent. He is incredibly quick on his feet for his size, great recovery, great stamina...

[gilgamesh]

I find it laughable that so many Fury haters have taken this opportunity to denigrate him as “a second rate heavy weight,” “European level,” etc.

Has Fury been blown up as an atg or even the GOAT by legions of his fans? Yes. Have I been critical of Fury for his antics and lack of discipline over the years? Absolutely.

But, anyone claiming that Fury is a second rate heavy weight based on last night’s performance is self-clowning in public or blindingly intoxicated or both.
And anyone claiming that Tyson Fury is Euro level is just blind.

Those making such ignorant claims are denigrating Usyk, the world’s champion boxer, backhandedly.

I think, most would agree that this current era of HW's are some way behind those in 80's, 90's and early 00's. Of course, we have some talented fighters, specifically Uysk, Fury and AJ.

That said, personally, not sure they would place particularly high during those times. Naturally, its all a matter of opinion and perspective.

90's, yes. 80's and 2000's, no.

You had 2 great Champions in the 1980's Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson. The rest were all quite beatable, and I think would at best trade results with some of these various names of the current era.

The 2000's had Lennox Lewis, Vitali and Wladimir Klitschko. The rest were Chris Byrd, John Ruiz, Lamon Brewster, Sergei Liakhovich, Shannon Briggs.

The current era of the Heavyweight division is one of the better ones, not one of the weaker ones in my opinion.

Oleksandr Usyk with his wins over Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury is on par with a name like Holyfield from the 90's.

Tyson Fury with his 8 year title reign is on par with anyone from the 90's except for Lennox Lewis pretty much.

Anthony Joshua may well still have his biggest accomplishment awaiting him. He's still formidable enough to get some more legacy boosting wins.

I think the Heavyweight division of the last 5 years or so is the deepest it's been of this century so far.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

The 2nd rate hw today... say zhang and dubois are better than 2nd rate of the 00 (oquendo, calvin brock, eddie chambers)

I think the minor title holders (parker of this era, chagaev and byrd of previous, various guys in 80's) all match up well against each other

[Evander]

Saw them pleading with Fury to throw the right around the 10th.
Could be wrong gotta take another look at it ... seemed like Fury decided to box Usyk when he should have walked through him.

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Saw them pleading with Fury to throw the right around the 10th.
Could be wrong gotta take another look at it ... seemed like Fury decided to box Usyk when he should have walked through him.

You can't walk through Usyk.

Anthony Joshua tried that in the second fight and came up even shorter, despite putting on a better performance.

Usyk is a dog, as well as a master technician; very difficult to fight against.

[Nightgaunt]

I'm pretty happy that Usyk won this. You can say about Fury what you want and I haven't been the greatest fan of him due to his antics and sometimes very unpleasant style, but he can use his weight, height and adapt styles if needed. Seeing him bullied around the Ring by Usyk makes this performance even better in hindsight.

If there was ever a dream fight of recent heavyweights, for me that would be prime Vitali Klitschko against prime Usyk. I think when it comes to talent Vitali was ahead of most fighters at the time definitely including his younger brother, he just was too prone to injuries and then simply got too old. Now Usyk is the goat when it comes to skills in heavyweight imo and still manages to beat the much larger men. It's quite pleasing and impressive to see that.

[Perkin Warbeck]

[Lenny Cravats]

Loads of nonsense about Fury around here, agreed.

He's very skilled, remarkably fast for a big man, incredible powers of recovery, quick reflexes, good defence and a high ring IQ.
He has massive physical advantages of size, but without the above listed attributes he'd be another Valuev.

He'd be very difficult for anyone to beat. Usyk is the best heavyweight we've seen for years, and for a while it looked like Fury was going to win. He was really handling Usyk with body shots and uppercuts - success that people rarely have against him, and yes, Fury's size helped, but to claim he's Euro level is batshit.

I'd still have Fury at No2 in the division and (depending on how his chin is holding up these days) starts as favourite against AJ.

[Tony1244]

The extreme comments here are just as nutty as extreme political comments.

Myths: Fury is a second rate bum. Fury is GOAT
Fact: Fury is an excellent fighter, partially due to his size. But he can also switch stances very well, and has a decent jab.

Fury lost to a great fighter. Usyk's boxing resume is quite good last time I checked. Fury has nothing to be ashamed for as a champion. He just says stupid things when he talks.

Where is that guy EO who always predicted fights by who weighed more?

That's the thing that I enjoy most about this outcome. I remember having those debates on here about how there needs to be a Super Heavyweight division because smaller guys just can't possibly compete with these big behemoths, I made the argument that we've already seen in the past that yes they can, and now the next time some idiot brings that up. I won't have to go far into the past at all.

And Big Baby Miller gave away 100 LBS and lost to Daniel Dubois. What happened there, Mr. EO? I rooted for Fury when he was on the way up but kind of rooted for Usyk to prove the size issue, or lack thereof, as well as because Ukraine is in a war with Russia frankly. I'm rooting for the other Tyson due to the age issue against Jake Paul.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

I may be wrong but I'm sure I heard one of his corner saying at the end of the 10th before they came back out that Fury has "won this fight". They seemed to think he was miles clear even after that spanking the previous round.

Greedy belly got caught hoarding coaches. Whoever said that needs to be fired tomorrow. You don't say stupid shit like that when the undisputed HW championship is on the line. Even though I had Usyk winning this handily, the rematch with an even more focused Fury is still making me wonder. That stretch of excellent boxing from Fury was on another level.

Same. Fury had Uysk better worked out by the 4th. And when we look at Uysk Joshua 2, Joshua was the one who improved. Fury will see when he watches the fight where he hurt Uysk and work on that.

- I predicted Usyk would humiliate Flubber, and that's exactly what he did. He beat him up as bad as it gets, yet still almost got robbed. Ref was not a big name and got spooked at the beating.



The Myth of AJ's decline oddly continues though. I had him winning the tight first fight until he got his eye popped by Usyk who has proven he can switch up to a next level when things are tough to win the last 3 rounds. AJ was unable to see out of his eye and not able to finish up for the stoppage. This after Usyk corner patched him up for the post fight presser.



Usyk should retire. He's 37 in a very long career as the top 200+ heavy of his era, 28-0, 14 KO including his pro debut in the World Series of Boxing where he won that Tourney against the likes of Joe Joyce, Junior Fa, ect. 11-0 in title fights that includes two undisputed unified title reigns. He's a major Hero in Ukraine and can play a part in the rebuilding.

And why would Usyk or AJ want to give a certified idot like Fury another payday when they have already made their $$$? Besides, Flubber knows after his own 2 consecutive flabby performances, what AJ did to Francis and Wallin shows Flubber is Creamed Beef on Toast if he fights AJ

[Thomastearns]

A fight like this would be certain to draw a lot of attention and fuel a million YouTube videos.

Here's a few of the more notable ones that I managed to watch right through to the end without skipping.