BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Fury vs. Usyk / Kabayel vs. Sanchez

[Ruthless-RKO]

Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 22(14) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

2. Anthony Joshua - 28(25) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

3. Tyson Fury - 34(24) 1(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

4. Joseph Parker - 35(23) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Filip Hrgovic - 17(14) 0 0 - next fight: 01.06.2024 vs. Daniel Dubois - 20(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: 01.06.2024 - (#10)

6. Zhilei Zhang - 24(21) 2(0) 1 - next fight: 01.06.2024 vs. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 3(2) 1 - (#12)

7. Agit Kabayel - 25(17) 0(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Joe Joyce - 16(15) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Daniel Dubois - 20(19) 2(2) 0 - next fight: 01.06.2024 vs. Filip Hrgovic - 17(14) 0 0 - (#5)

11. Martin Bakole - 20(15) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 3(2) 1 - next fight: 01.06.2024 vs. Zhilei Zhang - 24(21) 2(0) 1 - (#6)

13. Jared Anderson - 17(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Efe Ajagba - 20(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Otto Wallin - 26(14) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA
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Question: How are the rankings affected by this weekends results?

Voting on Usyk, Fury, Sanchez and Kayabel.

You get 2 votes on the poll for Kabayel and Sanchez. Please use them both.

Can vote manually for Usyk and Fury.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I vote...

Usyk remains at #1
Fury can stay at #3

Kabayel up to #5
Sanchez down one to #10

[margaret thatcher]

agit 5
frank 13

usyk 1
fury 2

[joshj909]

Usyk remains king.
Fury down to 8.
Kabayel remains where he is (6th if Fury drops below him, 7th if not)
Sanchez out.

My rankings:
1. Usyk
2. Parker
3. Hrgovic
4. Zhang
5. Kabayel
6. Joshua
7. Joyce
8. Fury
9. Bakole
10. Makhmudov
11. Ajagba
12. Anderson
13. Wallin
14. Dubois
15. Whyte

[Ruthless-RKO]

Usyk remains king.
Fury down to 8.
Kabayel remains where he is (6th if Fury drops below him, 7th if not)
Sanchez out.

My rankings:
1. Usyk
2. Parker
3. Hrgovic
4. Zhang
5. Kabayel
6. Joshua
7. Joyce
8. Fury
9. Bakole
10. Makhmudov
11. Ajagba
12. Anderson
13. Wallin
14. Dubois
15. Whyte

Bit harsh on Fury don't you think? I'm not gonna argue, that's your view.

[Sendo Takeshi]

I vote...

Usyk remains at #1
Fury can stay at #3

Kabayel up to #5
Sanchez down one to #10

x2

Usyk is obvious.

Kabayel to 5 because Hrgovic didn't do anything since beating Zhang in a very close fight in 2022.

Sanchez shouldn't be below Bakole (at least for now), so going down one place is fine.

I believe Wilder is more dangerous then Bakole and should go to 11, but he is about to fight anyway. We can wait to see how that one goes.

[joshj909]

Usyk remains king.
Fury down to 8.
Kabayel remains where he is (6th if Fury drops below him, 7th if not)
Sanchez out.

My rankings:
1. Usyk
2. Parker
3. Hrgovic
4. Zhang
5. Kabayel
6. Joshua
7. Joyce
8. Fury
9. Bakole
10. Makhmudov
11. Ajagba
12. Anderson
13. Wallin
14. Dubois
15. Whyte

Bit harsh on Fury don't you think? I'm not gonna argue, that's your view.

I'm basing it on his recent record which I interpret as this:
Usyk - Loss to a top tier opponent. No issues.

Ngannou - Split win that I thought he lost against a 0-0 opponent.

Chisora - Comfortable third and unnecessary win against 38 year old that isn't ranked in our top 15.

Whyte and Wilder wins now over 2 years old. Wilder win has aged horribly and is now not a top 15 guy. Whyte is mostly the only result keeping him ranked at 8 for me.

[JonnyKupfer]

Usyk 1
Fury 4

Should’ve been a TKO in R9.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I'm basing it on his recent record which I interpret as this:
Usyk - Loss to a top tier opponent. No issues.

Ngannou - Split win that I thought he lost against a 0-0 opponent.

Chisora - Comfortable third and unnecessary win against 38 year old that isn't ranked in our top 15.

Whyte and Wilder wins now over 2 years old. Wilder win has aged horribly and is now not a top 15 guy. Whyte is mostly the only result keeping him ranked at 8 for me.

Why you still got Whyte in then?

[ironbeard]

Oleksandr Usyk - World’s Champion Boxer

Fury #2

Kabayel #6

Sanchez #10

[Finkel]

I understand I can only move the boxers who just fought. I'll put them in bold, bit a reshuffle so I'll list the surrounding fighters.

Usyk #1 (The champ)
Joshua #2 (Probably a little high)
Parker #3 (Wilder + Zhang)
Kabayel #4 (beat the two boogiemen of the WBC ladder back-to-back)
Hrgovic #5 (undefeated)
Fury #6 (his resume was undermined by Parker beating Wilder, nearly lost to a debutant, and now officially lost his 0 to Usyk)
...
Wilder #11
Sanchez to #12 (bad loss but can't put Anderson above him)
Anderson #13

[joshj909]

I'm basing it on his recent record which I interpret as this:
Usyk - Loss to a top tier opponent. No issues.

Ngannou - Split win that I thought he lost against a 0-0 opponent.

Chisora - Comfortable third and unnecessary win against 38 year old that isn't ranked in our top 15.

Whyte and Wilder wins now over 2 years old. Wilder win has aged horribly and is now not a top 15 guy. Whyte is mostly the only result keeping him ranked at 8 for me.

Why you still got Whyte in then?

His win over Franklin while factoring in an older win over Povetkin is better than anyone else outside the top 15 has recently in my opinion. There's not a lot that stands out when deciding between the guys around that rank.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I understand I can only move the boxers who just fought. I'll put them in bold, bit a reshuffle so I'll list the surrounding fighters.

Usyk #1 (The champ)
Joshua #2 (Probably a little high)
Parker #3 (Wilder + Zhang)
Kabayel #4 (beat the two boogiemen of the WBC ladder back-to-back)
Hrgovic #5 (undefeated)
Fury #6 (his resume was undermined by Parker beating Wilder, nearly lost to a debutant, and now officially lost his 0 to Usyk)
...
Wilder #11
Sanchez to #12 (bad loss but can't put Anderson above him)
Anderson #13

Yh, i mean once we re-shuffle, some might naturally move around.

Make sure you voted sanchez and Kabayel in the poll?

[George_Jones88]

Usyk 1
Fury 3

[Perkin Warbeck]

Usyk remains at 1
Fury down to 6

Kabayel up to 4
Sanchez down to 13

[Simon Lock]

Usyk 1
Fury 2
Kabayel 5
Sanchez 14

[CMCanavessi]

Usyk 1
Fury 2
Kabayel 5
Sanchez 14

Same.

Usyk #1
Fury #2
Kabayel #5
Sanchez #14

[cpx2]

Usyk 1
Fury 2

I put Kabayel 6 but on reflection I'd probably prefer him at 5. Is it alright to change? Apologies.

Sanchez to 13 for me, I wouldn't put him any lower than that but he's not above anyone higher.

[koordyner]

Kabayel 4
Sanchez 13
Fury 3
Usyk champ

[stpeach]

usyk 1
fury 2

[Finkel]

I understand I can only move the boxers who just fought. I'll put them in bold, bit a reshuffle so I'll list the surrounding fighters.

Usyk #1 (The champ)
Joshua #2 (Probably a little high)
Parker #3 (Wilder + Zhang)
Kabayel #4 (beat the two boogiemen of the WBC ladder back-to-back)
Hrgovic #5 (undefeated)
Fury #6 (his resume was undermined by Parker beating Wilder, nearly lost to a debutant, and now officially lost his 0 to Usyk)
...
Wilder #11
Sanchez to #12 (bad loss but can't put Anderson above him)
Anderson #13

Yh, i mean once we re-shuffle, some might naturally move around.

Make sure you voted sanchez and Kabayel in the poll?

Voted in the poll

I got to say I'm a little surprised so many are trying to move Fury up in the rankings following a loss. If it has been another referee (that wasn't getting in the way in the 9th) Usyk likely stops Fury.

It's funny how often we say this about Fury:
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to McDermott by decision.
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Cunningham by DQ.
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Wilder by Rd. 12 KO.
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Wallin by cuts stoppage.
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Ngannou by decision (second KD called).
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Usyk by stoppage.

Doesn't scream #2, but you know, everyone votes their heart

[margaret thatcher]

if my aunty had wheels she'd be a train

if my uncle had wings he'd be a plane

[Cyclops]

Usyk at 1
Fury at 2

After Saturday I don't see how you can't have them there, with an obvious drop off after that.

AJ in third... Parker in 4th...

[Cyclops]

I understand I can only move the boxers who just fought. I'll put them in bold, bit a reshuffle so I'll list the surrounding fighters.

Usyk #1 (The champ)
Joshua #2 (Probably a little high)
Parker #3 (Wilder + Zhang)
Kabayel #4 (beat the two boogiemen of the WBC ladder back-to-back)
Hrgovic #5 (undefeated)
Fury #6 (his resume was undermined by Parker beating Wilder, nearly lost to a debutant, and now officially lost his 0 to Usyk)
...
Wilder #11
Sanchez to #12 (bad loss but can't put Anderson above him)
Anderson #13

Yh, i mean once we re-shuffle, some might naturally move around.

Make sure you voted sanchez and Kabayel in the poll?

Voted in the poll

I got to say I'm a little surprised so many are trying to move Fury up in the rankings following a loss. If it has been another referee (that wasn't getting in the way in the 9th) Usyk likely stops Fury.

It's funny how often we say this about Fury:
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to McDermott by decision.
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Cunningham by DQ.
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Wilder by Rd. 12 KO.
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Wallin by cuts stoppage.
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Ngannou by decision (second KD called).
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Usyk by stoppage.

Doesn't scream #2, but you know, everyone votes their heart

Fury and Usyk really got stuck into each other and gave each other a good fight. Clear number 1 and 2. Neither was exactly trying to survive, were they? What do you want to reward in boxers, and what do you want punished?

Fury lost but, apart from some dumbass comments after being punched to the head all night and almost stopped, showed his stones. Show some respect.

[Finkel]

Yh, i mean once we re-shuffle, some might naturally move around.

Make sure you voted sanchez and Kabayel in the poll?

Voted in the poll

I got to say I'm a little surprised so many are trying to move Fury up in the rankings following a loss. If it has been another referee (that wasn't getting in the way in the 9th) Usyk likely stops Fury.

It's funny how often we say this about Fury:
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to McDermott by decision.
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Cunningham by DQ.
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Wilder by Rd. 12 KO.
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Wallin by cuts stoppage.
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Ngannou by decision (second KD called).
If it had been a different referee, Fury loses to Usyk by stoppage.

Doesn't scream #2, but you know, everyone votes their heart

Fury and Usyk really got stuck into each other and gave each other a good fight. Clear number 1 and 2. Neither was exactly trying to survive, were they? What do you want to reward in boxers, and what do you want punished?

Fury lost but, apart from some dumbass comments after being punched to the head all night and almost stopped, showed his stones. Show some respect.

Usyk deserves all the respect in the world.

Reward wins, penalise losses. And judge people on the last few fights. Fury had a favourable style match up going into this but ran into an ATG, no shame in that. However he wasn't #2 going into the fight, so he certainly isn't number #2 coming out of it with a loss.

I admit my post was made somewhat in jest, but look at it with a level head.