Silkov used to be a regular poster, recently hes become a troll. No offence mate, but all these threads... i know their tongue in cheek and all that, but none of them are funny. There more like the excitable ramblings of a child. You're trying to be a comedian but its just irritating. I think your 'humour' is just cluttering up the forum.
Anyway, its obviously attention your seeking, so here you are. A thread about you.
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Well there seems to be a lot of 'regular posters' constantly peddling abusive threads on a certain Vitali Klitchenko, so I just thought I'd even up the balance a bit with a couple of pro Vitali threads... after all this is supposed to be a free democratic forum... though peoples idea of democracy these days tends to vary a wee bit!... As for the Marcinao thread, this is a valid question I think... if people dont like it they can just ignore it and it will fade away, simple as that... but I dont see why Marciano should be immune from such questions!...
I never asked for my own thread but thanks anyway, its the thought that counts...
I never asked for my own thread but thanks anyway, its the thought that counts...
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Well I've never had a vote at all!!... which is quite depressing! 8)Decagon wrote:This forum is democratic?!?!?!? When do we vote to see who the moderators are, once every two years, once every four years, or once every six years?silkov wrote:Well there seems to be a lot of 'regular posters' constantly peddling abusive threads on a certain Vitali Klitchenko, so I just thought I'd even up the balance a bit with a couple of pro Vitali threads... after all this is supposed to be a free democratic forum... though peoples idea of democracy these days tends to vary a wee bit!... As for the Marcinao thread, this is a valid question I think... if people dont like it they can just ignore it and it will fade away, simple as that... but I dont see why Marciano should be immune from such questions!...
I never asked for my own thread but thanks anyway, its the thought that counts...
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Well I think to become a moderator one would have to quit and recommend another...I recommended BoxBuzz several months ago when I quit...though my name was never removed. I also recently asked for my name to be removed but I guess I am doing such a spot-on, top notch job that I have no choice in the matter...remember...one must be of outstanding morals, with a level of tolerance unbeknownst to simpletons!
As for silkov’s comment about peddling abusive threads toward Vitali…look who started the threads…it’s certainly not someone who sees Vitali for what he was…it’s the ones who think he was great, which looks to only be silkov and pundit…we have just been responding top the threads, so if you don’t want to hear the truth about Vitali then quit with the threads because as long as they are here…we’re going to speak about him as we feel!!
As for silkov’s comment about peddling abusive threads toward Vitali…look who started the threads…it’s certainly not someone who sees Vitali for what he was…it’s the ones who think he was great, which looks to only be silkov and pundit…we have just been responding top the threads, so if you don’t want to hear the truth about Vitali then quit with the threads because as long as they are here…we’re going to speak about him as we feel!!
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Well actually Barry if you look through the history of this forum over the past few days, Brockton was the first to start the Vitali threads with his 'how to respond to a Vitali nutthugger' ...I was growing bored of the whole thing a few days ago but then saw that people were still calling Vitali a quitter etc so decided to put in my own point of view again, why not?.... free forum isnt it???... you're entitled to call him a quitter and i'm entitled to say he's not... till one of us bores the other to death probably...barry wrote:Well I think to become a moderator one would have to quit and recommend another...I recommended BoxBuzz several months ago when I quit...though my name was never removed. I also recently asked for my name to be removed but I guess I am doing such a spot-on, top notch job that I have no choice in the matter...remember...one must be of outstanding morals, with a level of tolerance unbeknownst to simpletons!
As for silkov’s comment about peddling abusive threads toward Vitali…look who started the threads…it’s certainly not someone who sees Vitali for what he was…it’s the ones who think he was great, which looks to only be silkov and pundit…we have just been responding top the threads, so if you don’t want to hear the truth about Vitali then quit with the threads because as long as they are here…we’re going to speak about him as we feel!!
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Well I started about 2 or 3... one of which doesnt even mention Vitali... as for the other mysterious 18 you tell me, as I'd like to see them all!.barry wrote:The problem with the issue is this...I'm right! He was a quitter...the actual, factual proof points it out very clearly!
BB may have started one thread, but the other 10, or 20 were started by who?
As for what your saying being fact it is plainly not, its just your opinion... the fact is that he had an injury which required several hours surgery, but then that fact doesnt fit in too well with your whole theory does it!...
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>>>As for what your saying being fact it is plainly not, its just your opinion...<<<
No it is not opinion...it is as FACT as FACT can get...he quit...now he claimed due to an injury, but nonetheless...he flat-out QUIT!
>>>the fact is that he had an injury which required several hours surgery, but then that fact doesnt fit in too well with your whole theory does it<<<
FACT---He supposedly did have surgery...that is fact, but what is also FACT is that he QUIT!!!! No matter how much you try to say otherwise the actual, honest-to-God FACT of the matter is this...HE QUIT! And as to the type of injury...well you know what I think and personally know about that type of injury, so the only thing "seven hours of surgery" does is makes things a little dramatic!
A for a fighter, who supposedly was going through so much pain, Vitali sure as hell did not show much in the way of giving anyone a hint that he was injured...he fought as he always does...showed no favoritism toward the injured shoulder, which I personally know, when that type of injury really hurts...a person cannot mask the pain in the manner that Vitali did. He could have went on, but he didn't...HE QUIT...and that is FACT!
No it is not opinion...it is as FACT as FACT can get...he quit...now he claimed due to an injury, but nonetheless...he flat-out QUIT!
>>>the fact is that he had an injury which required several hours surgery, but then that fact doesnt fit in too well with your whole theory does it<<<
FACT---He supposedly did have surgery...that is fact, but what is also FACT is that he QUIT!!!! No matter how much you try to say otherwise the actual, honest-to-God FACT of the matter is this...HE QUIT! And as to the type of injury...well you know what I think and personally know about that type of injury, so the only thing "seven hours of surgery" does is makes things a little dramatic!
A for a fighter, who supposedly was going through so much pain, Vitali sure as hell did not show much in the way of giving anyone a hint that he was injured...he fought as he always does...showed no favoritism toward the injured shoulder, which I personally know, when that type of injury really hurts...a person cannot mask the pain in the manner that Vitali did. He could have went on, but he didn't...HE QUIT...and that is FACT!
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barry wrote:No matter how much you try to say otherwise the actual, honest-to-God FACT of the matter is this...HE QUIT!
barry, I think you’re missing the point. Vitali may have quit in that fight, but he didn’t lose the fight. Remember, this is the guy who never lost a single round in his entire professional career. And can you name ANY other fighter in history who retired undefeated, despite having been declared the official loser in 2 fights? Such is the greatness of Vitali.
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How do you know he could have gone on?... are you a fighter?... have you been in that position?... the answer is no everytime... try reading up on the injury and then telling me he could have gone on. And dont say about your pitching with the injury still as thats just plain silly, ...I've had a severe case of this injury and know what I'm talking about I'm afraid!...barry wrote:>>>As for what your saying being fact it is plainly not, its just your opinion...<<<
No it is not opinion...it is as FACT as FACT can get...he quit...now he claimed due to an injury, but nonetheless...he flat-out QUIT!
>>>the fact is that he had an injury which required several hours surgery, but then that fact doesnt fit in too well with your whole theory does it<<<
FACT---He supposedly did have surgery...that is fact, but what is also FACT is that he QUIT!!!! No matter how much you try to say otherwise the actual, honest-to-God FACT of the matter is this...HE QUIT! And as to the type of injury...well you know what I think and personally know about that type of injury, so the only thing "seven hours of surgery" does is makes things a little dramatic!
A for a fighter, who supposedly was going through so much pain, Vitali sure as hell did not show much in the way of giving anyone a hint that he was injured...he fought as he always does...showed no favoritism toward the injured shoulder, which I personally know, when that type of injury really hurts...a person cannot mask the pain in the manner that Vitali did. He could have went on, but he didn't...HE QUIT...and that is FACT!
I'm not disputing that he dropped out of the fight, thats obvious, I'm saying he did it with a genuine injury and as such shouldnt be labeled a quitter!... many much greater fighters have 'quit' in simular or even worse circumstances but arent denigrated like Vitali has been here... Vitali was injured, fact, ...simple as that... I could give you a long list of fighters who have pulled out of fights while still competitive, with injuries and even without any perciveable injury... are we going to label them all 'quitters'???.... 8)
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Thats just silly, ofcourse he lost the fight, I've never said he didnt lose the fight... if youre injured and cant finish then you lose the fight.The Great John L wrote:barry wrote:No matter how much you try to say otherwise the actual, honest-to-God FACT of the matter is this...HE QUIT!
barry, I think you’re missing the point. Vitali may have quit in that fight, but he didn’t lose the fight. Remember, this is the guy who never lost a single round in his entire professional career. And can you name ANY other fighter in history who retired undefeated, despite having been declared the official loser in 2 fights? Such is the greatness of Vitali.
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That might be a very interesting list.silkov wrote:... I could give you a long list of fighters who have pulled out of fights while still competitive, with injuries and even without any perciveable injury... are we going to label them all 'quitters'???.... 8)
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>>>barry, I think you’re missing the point. Vitali may have quit in that fight, but he didn’t lose the fight. Remember, this is the guy who never lost a single round in his entire professional career. And can you name ANY other fighter in history who retired undefeated, despite having been declared the official loser in 2 fights? Such is the greatness of Vitali.<<<
I tend to forget that. Maybe it's due to the claim that Vitali is so great that it is hard for some people to comprehend the greatness of Vitali...in that it takes such greatness to exit a bout by saying, "no more, I quit" just so that he would seem human! It's clear that his greatness and toughness is beyond anything that I can comprehend, which is why I, and the rest of the world, cannot see that he didn't actually quit because he was injured, he just suspended action!
There should be monuments made in praise of Vitali not quitting against Chris Byrd...There should be book after book written about the career of Vitali as it was a career unequalled by any other fighter who never quit in a fight...there is just so much detail about the fights of his that a person could write volumes for each fight...1000s and 1000s of pages and still there would always be 1000s more that should be written.
The fact that he told the ref, "I quit, I want no more" is irrelevant as that was clearly just a tactic to demonstrate that he was human...though a very superior human whose "never say die" attitude is such that all other pail in comparison...Vitali Klitschko....the greatest fighter whose two losses really do not count and the fact that he said, "I quit" is as I said...irrelevant...he never quit, he never lost a bout and he never lost a round, but most importantly he never quit...always gave it that "do, or die" mentality!
I tend to forget that. Maybe it's due to the claim that Vitali is so great that it is hard for some people to comprehend the greatness of Vitali...in that it takes such greatness to exit a bout by saying, "no more, I quit" just so that he would seem human! It's clear that his greatness and toughness is beyond anything that I can comprehend, which is why I, and the rest of the world, cannot see that he didn't actually quit because he was injured, he just suspended action!
There should be monuments made in praise of Vitali not quitting against Chris Byrd...There should be book after book written about the career of Vitali as it was a career unequalled by any other fighter who never quit in a fight...there is just so much detail about the fights of his that a person could write volumes for each fight...1000s and 1000s of pages and still there would always be 1000s more that should be written.
The fact that he told the ref, "I quit, I want no more" is irrelevant as that was clearly just a tactic to demonstrate that he was human...though a very superior human whose "never say die" attitude is such that all other pail in comparison...Vitali Klitschko....the greatest fighter whose two losses really do not count and the fact that he said, "I quit" is as I said...irrelevant...he never quit, he never lost a bout and he never lost a round, but most importantly he never quit...always gave it that "do, or die" mentality!
Ok, this is off the top of my head...
Boza Edwards vs Arguello ...Boza pulls out after 7th round?... though still competitive..
Duran vs Lawlor 1...Duran quits with torn shoulder muscel
Duran vs Leonard 2...Duran quits, why??....
Liston vs Ali 1....Liston has shoulder injury
Liston vs Ali 2...Liston cant hear count??
Chacon vs Arguello... Chacon retires after 6th with cut eye... I've seen him carry on with far worse cuts.
Robinson vs Maxim...Rays too hot!
Baer vs Louis...Baer thinks he's fighting three men!...
......................I'm not knocking any of the above fighters, just pointing out that even these fighters, many known for their courage especially, at one time or another 'quit' a fight, either because of an injury or simply becuasse they realised they couldnt win... does that make them all quitters?.... I think not!.
Incidentially I left out Tyson as he seems too easy a target!... 8)
Boza Edwards vs Arguello ...Boza pulls out after 7th round?... though still competitive..
Duran vs Lawlor 1...Duran quits with torn shoulder muscel
Duran vs Leonard 2...Duran quits, why??....
Liston vs Ali 1....Liston has shoulder injury
Liston vs Ali 2...Liston cant hear count??
Chacon vs Arguello... Chacon retires after 6th with cut eye... I've seen him carry on with far worse cuts.
Robinson vs Maxim...Rays too hot!
Baer vs Louis...Baer thinks he's fighting three men!...
......................I'm not knocking any of the above fighters, just pointing out that even these fighters, many known for their courage especially, at one time or another 'quit' a fight, either because of an injury or simply becuasse they realised they couldnt win... does that make them all quitters?.... I think not!.
Incidentially I left out Tyson as he seems too easy a target!...
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>>>the answer is no everytime... try reading up on the injury and then telling me he could have gone on. And dont say about your pitching with the injury still as thats just plain silly, ...I've had a severe case of this injury and know what I'm talking about I'm afraid!<<<
I'm afraid that I do not need to read up about the injury...I have lived with it and I plainly know more of what I am talking about than you do, but then again that is likely for someone who has actually dealt with the injury!
For someone who is so knowledgable about such an injury maybe you can answer this simple question...what exactly every day activities does this type of injury hinder a person from doing and what can of daily activities can a person do with such an injury?
>>>I could give you a long list of fighters who have pulled out of fights while still competitive, with injuries and even without any perciveable injury... are we going to label them all 'quitters'???<<<
Put it together, I'd like to see the list...which you can label whoever you want quitter...I'll stick with those that quit, who never proved anything in the ring to off-set flat-out quitting!
I'm afraid that I do not need to read up about the injury...I have lived with it and I plainly know more of what I am talking about than you do, but then again that is likely for someone who has actually dealt with the injury!
For someone who is so knowledgable about such an injury maybe you can answer this simple question...what exactly every day activities does this type of injury hinder a person from doing and what can of daily activities can a person do with such an injury?
>>>I could give you a long list of fighters who have pulled out of fights while still competitive, with injuries and even without any perciveable injury... are we going to label them all 'quitters'???<<<
Put it together, I'd like to see the list...which you can label whoever you want quitter...I'll stick with those that quit, who never proved anything in the ring to off-set flat-out quitting!
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As I've said before the injury varies widely according to how bad the tear is.... if it is severe you cant just go about with your 'day to day' activities' as you cant move your arm at all and are in constant pain. If you were able to go about and play ball then you had a minor form of the injury... at its worst the arm becomes useless and you need immeadiate surgery... its not really that hard to understand surely!...barry wrote:>>>the answer is no everytime... try reading up on the injury and then telling me he could have gone on. And dont say about your pitching with the injury still as thats just plain silly, ...I've had a severe case of this injury and know what I'm talking about I'm afraid!<<<
I'm afraid that I do not need to read up about the injury...I have lived with it and I plainly know more of what I am talking about than you do, but then again that is likely for someone who has actually dealt with the injury!
For someone who is so knowledgable about such an injury maybe you can answer this simple question...what exactly every day activities does this type of injury hinder a person from doing and what can of daily activities can a person do with such an injury?
>>>I could give you a long list of fighters who have pulled out of fights while still competitive, with injuries and even without any perciveable injury... are we going to label them all 'quitters'???<<<
Put it together, I'd like to see the list...which you can label whoever you want quitter...I'll stick with those that quit, who never proved anything in the ring to off-set flat-out quitting!
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Interesting list, but Liston didn't quit in the 2nd Ali fight, he was counted out. Sort of...silkov wrote:Ok, this is off the top of my head...
Boza Edwards vs Arguello ...Boza pulls out after 7th round?... though still competitive..
Duran vs Lawlor 1...Duran quits with torn shoulder muscel
Duran vs Leonard 2...Duran quits, why??....
Liston vs Ali 1....Liston has shoulder injury
Liston vs Ali 2...Liston cant hear count??
Chacon vs Arguello... Chacon retires after 6th with cut eye... I've seen him carry on with far worse cuts.
Robinson vs Maxim...Rays too hot!
Baer vs Louis...Baer thinks he's fighting three men!...
......................I'm not knocking any of the above fighters, just pointing out that even these fighters, many known for their courage especially, at one time or another 'quit' a fight, either because of an injury or simply becuasse they realised they couldnt win... does that make them all quitters?.... I think not!.
Incidentially I left out Tyson as he seems too easy a target!...
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Mine was a very bad tear...not completely through, but damn close to it!
Now to your comments,
>>>if it is severe you cant just go about with your 'day to day' activities' as you cant move your arm at all and are in constant pain.<<<
I agree, it is difficult to even lift your arm and the pain is constant...it doesn't hurt for an hour, or two and then slack off...it is constant, never-ending, which when it first happen for me lasted every minute of every day for nearly three consecutive months. The only ease I ever felt was when I would sleep. Now back to the statement, "as you cant move your arm at all and are in constant pain," now this is very telling as Vitali showed, pretty much, no emotion whatsoever about the arm, which if he was dealing with pain much more severe than I did there is no way he would be standing around the ring talking to reporters and taking photo's. The pain would be very evident in his expressions, after all, he was not the hardest guy in the world to read, and it would be evident in his speech, which he showed no emotion whatsoever toward the injury, which if he was dealing with an injury "very much worse" than the one I suffered, it would most certainly be evident and he would sure as hell be favoring his arm greatly during and following the bout! But regardless of how bad it may, or may not have been...he QUIT and nothing you try to make up, or claim will change that!
Now to your comments,
>>>if it is severe you cant just go about with your 'day to day' activities' as you cant move your arm at all and are in constant pain.<<<
I agree, it is difficult to even lift your arm and the pain is constant...it doesn't hurt for an hour, or two and then slack off...it is constant, never-ending, which when it first happen for me lasted every minute of every day for nearly three consecutive months. The only ease I ever felt was when I would sleep. Now back to the statement, "as you cant move your arm at all and are in constant pain," now this is very telling as Vitali showed, pretty much, no emotion whatsoever about the arm, which if he was dealing with pain much more severe than I did there is no way he would be standing around the ring talking to reporters and taking photo's. The pain would be very evident in his expressions, after all, he was not the hardest guy in the world to read, and it would be evident in his speech, which he showed no emotion whatsoever toward the injury, which if he was dealing with an injury "very much worse" than the one I suffered, it would most certainly be evident and he would sure as hell be favoring his arm greatly during and following the bout! But regardless of how bad it may, or may not have been...he QUIT and nothing you try to make up, or claim will change that!
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