Oleksandr Usyk vs. Tyson Fury II | PPV - 21 December 2024

[jamesmcdonnell]

How come people think that Fury wasn't in shape?

You clearly don't understand the shape you need to be in to have done the12 like Fury, especially when he was hurt too.

Just because Uysk has a big engine, doesn't mean the opponent is out of shape.

Your waist line is irrelevant when you can do 12 hard rounds.

Look at how much Fury keeps his feet moving, his feints too, Fury was clearly in great shape, and I expect him to be at least the same again.

I don't believe Fury was in the best shape he could have been in - and that's what matters, because you can bet your life Usyk is at his absolute physical peak coming into the ring, with no corners cut.

Of course Fury was ''in shape' but he needs to be in the shape of his life to beat Usyk. Usyk cranks up the pressure as the rounds tick by, and it was the pressure drew the mistake from Fury, Usyk realised that if he gave Tyson room to work, he was going to get busted up, and he turned the dial a notch, probably changed his gameplan slightly from what he had envisaged, and got the opening, which he capitalised on.

The only way I see Fury winning, is if he can stay mobile for at least 9-10 rounds and pick Usyk off, it's a tall order, but it can be done, and to be fair, I didn't score it, but there were many close rounds which could have gone to either man

Fury was indeed in shape, but I don't believe that's his absolute peak.,

[SeanBrennan]

i'm glad it's happening again. I think Usyk will retire undefeated though, he just seems to overcome any shape size or style.

[jwfg]

How come people think that Fury wasn't in shape?

You clearly don't understand the shape you need to be in to have done the12 like Fury, especially when he was hurt too.

Just because Uysk has a big engine, doesn't mean the opponent is out of shape.

Your waist line is irrelevant when you can do 12 hard rounds.

Look at how much Fury keeps his feet moving, his feints too, Fury was clearly in great shape, and I expect him to be at least the same again.

He wasn't in great shape. Carrying fat around your waste means less blood pumping and less oxygen. Fury would have more oxygen without the fat, so he wasn't in great shape.

[Coco]

How come people think that Fury wasn't in shape?

You clearly don't understand the shape you need to be in to have done the12 like Fury, especially when he was hurt too.

Just because Uysk has a big engine, doesn't mean the opponent is out of shape.

Your waist line is irrelevant when you can do 12 hard rounds.

Look at how much Fury keeps his feet moving, his feints too, Fury was clearly in great shape, and I expect him to be at least the same again.

I don't believe Fury was in the best shape he could have been in - and that's what matters, because you can bet your life Usyk is at his absolute physical peak coming into the ring, with no corners cut.

Of course Fury was ''in shape' but he needs to be in the shape of his life to beat Usyk. Usyk cranks up the pressure as the rounds tick by, and it was the pressure drew the mistake from Fury, Usyk realised that if he gave Tyson room to work, he was going to get busted up, and he turned the dial a notch, probably changed his gameplan slightly from what he had envisaged, and got the opening, which he capitalised on.

The only way I see Fury winning, is if he can stay mobile for at least 9-10 rounds and pick Usyk off, it's a tall order, but it can be done, and to be fair, I didn't score it, but there were many close rounds which could have gone to either man

Fury was indeed in shape, but I don't believe that's his absolute peak.,

About right

[MasterG]

It's not purely a money fight if both think they're going to win. Do you think Fury will step in the ring doing it just for the money.

We are talking millions and millions for a rematch that will go the same way. Fury will have no desire. Usyk will, he will be fighting for his country and legacy. What legacy has Fury? He's not a history making fighter, he's nothing more than European level status at most. He's not a top 20 heavyweight champion in the history of boxing.

They are fighting for millions, who in their right mind would walk off into the sunset when they can return, half cut and fiddle a payday. We aren't talking about a few hundred quid here.

Fury will be disireless, I hope Usyk can KO him but I doubt it. The rematch will be ugly, a fat overweight mediocre boxer being out worked by a class act who is half his size.

If you think Fury will have no desire to win the rematch, then you're either biased or you don't know anything about boxers.

1. Biased, yes but have valid reasons.
2. Yes and no.

[jamesmcdonnell]

How come people think that Fury wasn't in shape?

You clearly don't understand the shape you need to be in to have done the12 like Fury, especially when he was hurt too.

Just because Uysk has a big engine, doesn't mean the opponent is out of shape.

Your waist line is irrelevant when you can do 12 hard rounds.

Look at how much Fury keeps his feet moving, his feints too, Fury was clearly in great shape, and I expect him to be at least the same again.

He wasn't in great shape. Carrying fat around your waste means less blood pumping and less oxygen. Fury would have more oxygen without the fat, so he wasn't in great shape.

That isn;t really true, the only real difference is that the fat means he is carrying weight which doesn't add to his explosiveness, and therefore it's a drag on his stamina. I'm not sure it has a huge impact on his cardiovasucular output per se, it's more a sign that he didn't push himself to his physical limits to get into shape.

[jwfg]

How come people think that Fury wasn't in shape?

You clearly don't understand the shape you need to be in to have done the12 like Fury, especially when he was hurt too.

Just because Uysk has a big engine, doesn't mean the opponent is out of shape.

Your waist line is irrelevant when you can do 12 hard rounds.

Look at how much Fury keeps his feet moving, his feints too, Fury was clearly in great shape, and I expect him to be at least the same again.

He wasn't in great shape. Carrying fat around your waste means less blood pumping and less oxygen. Fury would have more oxygen without the fat, so he wasn't in great shape.

That isn;t really true, the only real difference is that the fat means he is carrying weight which doesn't add to his explosiveness, and therefore it's a drag on his stamina. I'm not sure it has a huge impact on his cardiovasucular output per se, it's more a sign that he didn't push himself to his physical limits to get into shape.

Fat around the middle pushes the vital organs up, which means less blood being pumped around the body and as a result, less oxygen.

[jamesmcdonnell]

He wasn't in great shape. Carrying fat around your waste means less blood pumping and less oxygen. Fury would have more oxygen without the fat, so he wasn't in great shape.

That isn;t really true, the only real difference is that the fat means he is carrying weight which doesn't add to his explosiveness, and therefore it's a drag on his stamina. I'm not sure it has a huge impact on his cardiovasucular output per se, it's more a sign that he didn't push himself to his physical limits to get into shape.

Fat around the middle pushes the vital organs up, which means less blood being pumped around the body and as a result, less oxygen.

Your talking about visceral fat, and you would need to have a lot of it, before it would have that kind of impact. That would only be the case if the visceral fat was pushing against the heart. I don't imagine Tyson is going to be anywhere near that fat internally.

[mickey1975]

Didn't Micky (or another poster on here) go to the first fight and said it cost about a grand?

I'm ion the board of a company in Abu Dhabi so will be able to get there for free. Can then pop across to Saudi. Hotels aren't that expensive as they are all state subsidised

The broader issue is cancellation risk from Fury. .

It was me. Yes, that's about right, all in for four days. A £200 ticket there is equivalent to a £1,000 ticket here.

[Controversial]

Didn't Micky (or another poster on here) go to the first fight and said it cost about a grand?

I'm ion the board of a company in Abu Dhabi so will be able to get there for free. Can then pop across to Saudi. Hotels aren't that expensive as they are all state subsidised

The broader issue is cancellation risk from Fury. .

It was me. Yes, that's about right, all in for four days. A £200 ticket there is equivalent to a £1,000 ticket here.

How was it in general Mickey, in terms of atmosphere, nightlife, food, drink etc, would you go back for the rematch?

[Loynesy]

Thanks for that Mickey. I've arranged my Q4 board meeting in Abu Dhabi for that week anyway so even if the fight gets cancelled or postponed I have a valid reason to be in the region.

My 14 year old son has said that they are due to be studying Islam soon so it would be a good educational trip for him. I've told him to convince his mother

[mickey1975]

Didn't Micky (or another poster on here) go to the first fight and said it cost about a grand?

I'm ion the board of a company in Abu Dhabi so will be able to get there for free. Can then pop across to Saudi. Hotels aren't that expensive as they are all state subsidised

The broader issue is cancellation risk from Fury. .

It was me. Yes, that's about right, all in for four days. A £200 ticket there is equivalent to a £1,000 ticket here.

How was it in general Mickey, in terms of atmosphere, nightlife, food, drink etc, would you go back for the rematch?

The atmosphere for the main event was very good. Not so good for the undercard. Very chilled atmosphere, obviously, the big name boxers were much more comfortable and approachable than at home. The nightlife isn't a thing as far as I could see although everywhere was open pretty much all night. Food great, drink great unless you like alcohol....
I don't think I'll go back for the rematch. I would for the AJ fight. I didn't book for the original date for this fight as I was pretty sure Tyson would pull out.

[Controversial]

It was me. Yes, that's about right, all in for four days. A £200 ticket there is equivalent to a £1,000 ticket here.

How was it in general Mickey, in terms of atmosphere, nightlife, food, drink etc, would you go back for the rematch?

The atmosphere for the main event was very good. Not so good for the undercard. Very chilled atmosphere, obviously, the big name boxers were much more comfortable and approachable than at home. The nightlife isn't a thing as far as I could see although everywhere was open pretty much all night. Food great, drink great unless you like alcohol....
I don't think I'll go back for the rematch. I would for the AJ fight. I didn't book for the original date for this fight as I was pretty sure Tyson would pull out.

So in terms of things to do before or after the fight you are pretty much limited to eating out and not drinking alcohol?

[mickey1975]

How was it in general Mickey, in terms of atmosphere, nightlife, food, drink etc, would you go back for the rematch?

The atmosphere for the main event was very good. Not so good for the undercard. Very chilled atmosphere, obviously, the big name boxers were much more comfortable and approachable than at home. The nightlife isn't a thing as far as I could see although everywhere was open pretty much all night. Food great, drink great unless you like alcohol....
I don't think I'll go back for the rematch. I would for the AJ fight. I didn't book for the original date for this fight as I was pretty sure Tyson would pull out.

So in terms of things to do before or after the fight you are pretty much limited to eating out and not drinking alcohol?

Yes. Or sight seeing, shopping etc. I spoke with loads of Brits. The general impression was "its a lovely place but you want a pint, don't you?". I can't ever see it becoming a popular destination for us without that.

[SeanBrennan]

The atmosphere for the main event was very good. Not so good for the undercard. Very chilled atmosphere, obviously, the big name boxers were much more comfortable and approachable than at home. The nightlife isn't a thing as far as I could see although everywhere was open pretty much all night. Food great, drink great unless you like alcohol....
I don't think I'll go back for the rematch. I would for the AJ fight. I didn't book for the original date for this fight as I was pretty sure Tyson would pull out.

So in terms of things to do before or after the fight you are pretty much limited to eating out and not drinking alcohol?

Yes. Or sight seeing, shopping etc. I spoke with loads of Brits. The general impression was "its a lovely place but you want a pint, don't you?". I can't ever see it becoming a popular destination for us without that.

Do you think they'll ever relax this law?

[DrDuke]

So, it's officially arranged. I believe, Fury was at the top shape, but lost because of the two mistakes.

The first one, he didn't take Usyk seriously in the early rounds, while the fight appeared to be of that type, where you need every point. Yes, Fury often clowns around, but you must always think, who's in front of you. This is a really bad mistake.

Secondly, he took a pause after winning the mid part of the fight and hurting Usyk visibly. This isn't a shameful mistake, since you never know, how much energy you can spend on trying to finish an opponent. Wlad did the same mistake agaist Joshua btw.

Thus, in the rematch the chances are still pretty equal. Fury didn't realize his full potential. Usyk is a smart fighter too, he also can make adjustments. Let's see.

[mooman]

So, it's officially arranged. I believe, Fury was at the top shape, but lost because of the two mistakes.

The first one, he didn't take Usyk seriously in the early rounds, while the fight appeared to be of that type, where you need every point. Yes, Fury often clowns around, but you must always think, who's in front of you. This is a really bad mistake.

Secondly, he took a pause after winning the mid part of the fight and hurting Usyk visibly. This isn't a shameful mistake, since you never know, how much energy you can spend on trying to finish an opponent. Wlad did the same mistake agaist Joshua btw.

Thus, in the rematch the chances are still pretty equal. Fury didn't realize his full potential. Usyk is a smart fighter too, he also can make adjustments. Let's see.

Totally delusional

Wasn't you referring to Usyk as Pusyk during the RBR

[margaret thatcher]

ha, fury lost to a pussyk, what does that make him, an arsehole?

[Noxy]

The rematch makes perfect sense. They had a great fight, it went to a split. Both made a mint and now they can do it again.
Fury can win this one and all, as can Usyk.

[DrDuke]

So, it's officially arranged. I believe, Fury was at the top shape, but lost because of the two mistakes.

The first one, he didn't take Usyk seriously in the early rounds, while the fight appeared to be of that type, where you need every point. Yes, Fury often clowns around, but you must always think, who's in front of you. This is a really bad mistake.

Secondly, he took a pause after winning the mid part of the fight and hurting Usyk visibly. This isn't a shameful mistake, since you never know, how much energy you can spend on trying to finish an opponent. Wlad did the same mistake agaist Joshua btw.

Thus, in the rematch the chances are still pretty equal. Fury didn't realize his full potential. Usyk is a smart fighter too, he also can make adjustments. Let's see.

Totally delusional

Wasn't you referring to Usyk as Pusyk during the RBR

Oh my, still butturting from that.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Secondly, he took a pause after winning the mid part of the fight and hurting Usyk visibly. This isn't a shameful mistake, since you never know, how much energy you can spend on trying to finish an opponent. Wlad did the same mistake agaist Joshua btw.

No, i think it was more than Usyk came out the next round and pushed forward again and put it on him. Fury probably didn't expect that response.

Even I thought after them few mid rounds that Fury won, Usyk was done for..

[DrDuke]

Secondly, he took a pause after winning the mid part of the fight and hurting Usyk visibly. This isn't a shameful mistake, since you never know, how much energy you can spend on trying to finish an opponent. Wlad did the same mistake agaist Joshua btw.

No, i think it was more than Usyk came out the next round and pushed forward again and put it on him. Fury probably didn't expect that response.

Even I thought after them few mid rounds that Fury won, Usyk was done for..

The thing is, in the next round after Usyk had been hurt, it was more of a pause of Fury and Usyk puhed forward in the following round after that one. If I remember correctly, Usyk got rocked in the 6th and in the 7th there was a clear pause by Fury, a lot even gave Tyson that round. In the 8th Usyk went forward indeed and Fury wasn't prepared for that.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Secondly, he took a pause after winning the mid part of the fight and hurting Usyk visibly. This isn't a shameful mistake, since you never know, how much energy you can spend on trying to finish an opponent. Wlad did the same mistake agaist Joshua btw.

No, i think it was more than Usyk came out the next round and pushed forward again and put it on him. Fury probably didn't expect that response.

Even I thought after them few mid rounds that Fury won, Usyk was done for..

The thing is, in the next round after Usyk had been hurt, it was more of a pause of Fury and Usyk puhed forward in the following round after that one. If I remember correctly, Usyk got rocked in the 6th and in the 7th there was a clear pause by Fury, a lot even gave Tyson that round. In the 8th Usyk went forward indeed and Fury wasn't prepared for that.

Fury probably thought he could coast it

[Nightmare Roy]

It was me. Yes, that's about right, all in for four days. A £200 ticket there is equivalent to a £1,000 ticket here.

How was it in general Mickey, in terms of atmosphere, nightlife, food, drink etc, would you go back for the rematch?

The atmosphere for the main event was very good. Not so good for the undercard. Very chilled atmosphere, obviously, the big name boxers were much more comfortable and approachable than at home. The nightlife isn't a thing as far as I could see although everywhere was open pretty much all night. Food great, drink great unless you like alcohol....
I don't think I'll go back for the rematch. I would for the AJ fight. I didn't book for the original date for this fight as I was pretty sure Tyson would pull out.

Sounds like a great experience Micky, I just don't think I could go without beer, says more about me than them I guess. I do think they will have to relax this rule if they want to become a proper tourist destination for westerners like they have in Dubai.

[mickey1975]

How was it in general Mickey, in terms of atmosphere, nightlife, food, drink etc, would you go back for the rematch?

The atmosphere for the main event was very good. Not so good for the undercard. Very chilled atmosphere, obviously, the big name boxers were much more comfortable and approachable than at home. The nightlife isn't a thing as far as I could see although everywhere was open pretty much all night. Food great, drink great unless you like alcohol....
I don't think I'll go back for the rematch. I would for the AJ fight. I didn't book for the original date for this fight as I was pretty sure Tyson would pull out.

Sounds like a great experience Micky, I just don't think I could go without beer, says more about me than them I guess. I do think they will have to relax this rule if they want to become a proper tourist destination for westerners like they have in Dubai.

I think most feel the same. I certainly wold have done until a couple of years ago.