Anthony Joshua vs. Daniel Dubois | PPV - 21 September 2024

[TBA]

The Saudi are doing a big card in London next so this is the perfect lead fight. Joshua in 6 or under but Dubois to have his moments.

With all this Saudi money now, can't help but think of Money White, pricing himself out of big fights, and now the big money fights are there, being shot and not getting the call.

[coneye]

Hergovics punches were not 'bombs' they were not landing flush, as hrgovic was half a strep put of range all the time. He also wasn't getting full rotation/extension on the shots.

Joshua hits MUCH harder.

If they fight I expect Joshua to decapitate Dubois inside 6 rounds.

AGREE 100% ... DD too easy for AJ , , like you said Hrgovic was out of range was'nt setting up a big right hand and actually missing a lot anyway , Ak will set the right hand up with a double jab , he'll finish with a hook and he'll knock DD into ga ga land and whats more he'll do it easy , Why because after all this time all the rnds he's done sparring and boxing DD is still not wise enough and does'nt have the footwork to move too his right AWAY from an incoming missile ,

AJ is smarter , hits harder and has better footwork than DD will ever have , because DD i hate to say it is just plain dumb , well its either that or his trainers cannot teach basic boxing , which one i don't know , but either way it won't end well for DD except for his pocket that will get healthier

Whats more i doubt DD will get away with the low blows and blatant headbutts against AJ , he's high profile enough and popular enough for the bodies to have a serious word with the ref beforehand , Last nights reffereeing was definetly favoring DD it won't against AJ

I think Joshua's footwork and speed are somewhat underrated, he was made to look like a statue by Ruiz, bur Ruiz has really quick hands, and Joshua never recovered from that first big salvo he took, he was buggered from there on in.

Comparisons with Bruno are somewhat unwarranted, does anybody really think Bruno would have survived that fight with Wladimir Klitshsko? Absolutely no chance.

His jab is definetly underated , then again so was Bruno's , i've often compared AJ to Bruno , big strong stiff plodder , but realisticly he has not really been that bad , almost , but not quite that bad , however in this day and age he does'nt have your ALi's , Holmes , Lewiss , or Tyson to contend with , so its all irrelevent , And once again your correct Ruiz made him look bad , but Ruiz does have fast hands like you say and on his day Ruiz is capable of giving any current heavy a hard time , just that he likes the good life too much , personaly i've always thought and said a fit motivated in shape Ruiz would be very very hard to beat . One thing this king Tut tut fella is doing is fronting the money up , getting them fighting each other and really showing ius how poor the heavyweight division is ,

Thats not to say its bad , its still exciting when they fight ,each other , but thats because there all of the same standard , and has long has there equal standard you get good fights

[jamesmcdonnell]

AGREE 100% ... DD too easy for AJ , , like you said Hrgovic was out of range was'nt setting up a big right hand and actually missing a lot anyway , Ak will set the right hand up with a double jab , he'll finish with a hook and he'll knock DD into ga ga land and whats more he'll do it easy , Why because after all this time all the rnds he's done sparring and boxing DD is still not wise enough and does'nt have the footwork to move too his right AWAY from an incoming missile ,

AJ is smarter , hits harder and has better footwork than DD will ever have , because DD i hate to say it is just plain dumb , well its either that or his trainers cannot teach basic boxing , which one i don't know , but either way it won't end well for DD except for his pocket that will get healthier

Whats more i doubt DD will get away with the low blows and blatant headbutts against AJ , he's high profile enough and popular enough for the bodies to have a serious word with the ref beforehand , Last nights reffereeing was definetly favoring DD it won't against AJ

I think Joshua's footwork and speed are somewhat underrated, he was made to look like a statue by Ruiz, bur Ruiz has really quick hands, and Joshua never recovered from that first big salvo he took, he was buggered from there on in.

Comparisons with Bruno are somewhat unwarranted, does anybody really think Bruno would have survived that fight with Wladimir Klitshsko? Absolutely no chance.

His jab is definetly underated , then again so was Bruno's , i've often compared AJ to Bruno , big strong stiff plodder , but realisticly he has not really been that bad , almost , but not quite that bad , however in this day and age he does'nt have your ALi's , Holmes , Lewiss , or Tyson to contend with , so its all irrelevent , And once again your correct Ruiz made him look bad , but Ruiz does have fast hands like you say and on his day Ruiz is capable of giving any current heavy a hard time , just that he likes the good life too much , personaly i've always thought and said a fit motivated in shape Ruiz would be very very hard to beat . One thing this king Tut tut fella is doing is fronting the money up , getting them fighting each other and really showing ius how poor the heavyweight division is ,

Thats not to say its bad , its still exciting when they fight ,each other , but thats because there all of the same standard , and has long has there equal standard you get good fights

Bruno had pretty much zero lateral movement, now don't get me wrong, Joshua isn't super mobile either, but he does switch angles, and he does create openings in a more intelligent way than Bruno, who was very predictable, jab-jab, right cross, left hook, although oten without the left hook.

I think the Dubois v Hrgovic fight proved my assertion about the lack of depth in the division, Dubois is very one dimensional and easy to hit Hrgovic cannot fight more than 1 minute of a round before becoming exhausted, and both these guys are right at the top of the rankings.

[ironbeard]

I think Joshua's footwork and speed are somewhat underrated, he was made to look like a statue by Ruiz, bur Ruiz has really quick hands, and Joshua never recovered from that first big salvo he took, he was buggered from there on in.

Comparisons with Bruno are somewhat unwarranted, does anybody really think Bruno would have survived that fight with Wladimir Klitshsko? Absolutely no chance.

His jab is definetly underated , then again so was Bruno's , i've often compared AJ to Bruno , big strong stiff plodder , but realisticly he has not really been that bad , almost , but not quite that bad , however in this day and age he does'nt have your ALi's , Holmes , Lewiss , or Tyson to contend with , so its all irrelevent , And once again your correct Ruiz made him look bad , but Ruiz does have fast hands like you say and on his day Ruiz is capable of giving any current heavy a hard time , just that he likes the good life too much , personaly i've always thought and said a fit motivated in shape Ruiz would be very very hard to beat . One thing this king Tut tut fella is doing is fronting the money up , getting them fighting each other and really showing ius how poor the heavyweight division is ,

Thats not to say its bad , its still exciting when they fight ,each other , but thats because there all of the same standard , and has long has there equal standard you get good fights

Bruno had pretty much zero lateral movement, now don't get me wrong, Joshua isn't super mobile either, but he does switch angles, and he does create openings in a more intelligent way than Bruno, who was very predictable, jab-jab, right cross, left hook, although oten without the left hook.

I think the Dubois v Hrgovic fight proved my assertion about the lack of depth in the division, Dubois is very one dimensional and easy to hit Hrgovic cannot fight more than 1 minute of a round before becoming exhausted, and both these guys are right at the top of the rankings.

I think that the Dubois v Hrgovic fight is evidence of the opposite. There have been one dimensional brutes near the top of the rankings often. There have been heavyweights who have stamina issues near the top often.

While my current opinion is that AJ will poleax Dubois, that is not to ignore that the 26 year old is a bit of a monster and he is improving. And Hrgovic certainly is not done unless he chooses to be.

[Kilburn]

Lol Dubois just can’t get a break on this site. Nearly everyone predicted Hrgovic would take him to the cleaners, then when Dubois beats the living shit out of the guy, all attention turns to how Joshua (far from unbeatable, often tentative against someone half decent), is just going to turn up and decapitate him.

Rooting for Dubois all the way.

[jamesmcdonnell]

His jab is definetly underated , then again so was Bruno's , i've often compared AJ to Bruno , big strong stiff plodder , but realisticly he has not really been that bad , almost , but not quite that bad , however in this day and age he does'nt have your ALi's , Holmes , Lewiss , or Tyson to contend with , so its all irrelevent , And once again your correct Ruiz made him look bad , but Ruiz does have fast hands like you say and on his day Ruiz is capable of giving any current heavy a hard time , just that he likes the good life too much , personaly i've always thought and said a fit motivated in shape Ruiz would be very very hard to beat . One thing this king Tut tut fella is doing is fronting the money up , getting them fighting each other and really showing ius how poor the heavyweight division is ,

Thats not to say its bad , its still exciting when they fight ,each other , but thats because there all of the same standard , and has long has there equal standard you get good fights

Bruno had pretty much zero lateral movement, now don't get me wrong, Joshua isn't super mobile either, but he does switch angles, and he does create openings in a more intelligent way than Bruno, who was very predictable, jab-jab, right cross, left hook, although oten without the left hook.

I think the Dubois v Hrgovic fight proved my assertion about the lack of depth in the division, Dubois is very one dimensional and easy to hit Hrgovic cannot fight more than 1 minute of a round before becoming exhausted, and both these guys are right at the top of the rankings.

I think that the Dubois v Hrgovic fight is evidence of the opposite. There have been one dimensional brutes near the top of the rankings often. There have been heavyweights who have stamina issues near the top often.

While my current opinion is that AJ will poleax Dubois, that is not to ignore that the 26 year old is a bit of a monster and he is improving. And Hrgovic certainly is not done unless he chooses to be.

I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree.

Dubios is physically strong, can punch, but he is clumsy, and incredibly one dimensional. Hrgovic was like a zombie after rounds 6, I cannot recall ever seeing a top 10 heavyweight so exhausted, after so little exertion, I am happy to be proven wrong, but I've been watching boxing close to 50 years now, and I cannot think of anybody in their prime, in the genuine top 10 rankings, with such atrocious conditioning.

[ironbeard]

Bruno had pretty much zero lateral movement, now don't get me wrong, Joshua isn't super mobile either, but he does switch angles, and he does create openings in a more intelligent way than Bruno, who was very predictable, jab-jab, right cross, left hook, although oten without the left hook.

I think the Dubois v Hrgovic fight proved my assertion about the lack of depth in the division, Dubois is very one dimensional and easy to hit Hrgovic cannot fight more than 1 minute of a round before becoming exhausted, and both these guys are right at the top of the rankings.

I think that the Dubois v Hrgovic fight is evidence of the opposite. There have been one dimensional brutes near the top of the rankings often. There have been heavyweights who have stamina issues near the top often.

While my current opinion is that AJ will poleax Dubois, that is not to ignore that the 26 year old is a bit of a monster and he is improving. And Hrgovic certainly is not done unless he chooses to be.

I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree.

Dubios is physically strong, can punch, but he is clumsy, and incredibly one dimensional. Hrgovic was like a zombie after rounds 6, I cannot recall ever seeing a top 10 heavyweight so exhausted, after so little exertion, I am happy to be proven wrong, but I've been watching boxing close to 50 years now, and I cannot think of anybody in their prime, in the genuine top 10 rankings, with such atrocious conditioning.

Agreed (to disagree).

[Ruthless-RKO]

Lol Dubois just can’t get a break on this site. Nearly everyone predicted Hrgovic would take him to the cleaners, then when Dubois beats the living shit out of the guy, all attention turns to how Joshua (far from unbeatable, often tentative against someone half decent), is just going to turn up and decapitate him.

Rooting for Dubois all the way.

Bit like Joyce.. regardless of when he used to win, I remember on here on his RBR’s.. it was mostly negative haha.

I mean Dub made plenty of mistakes last nyt, and he adjusted.. but he can’t be making them mistakes early.

[Ricky]

Bruno had pretty much zero lateral movement, now don't get me wrong, Joshua isn't super mobile either, but he does switch angles, and he does create openings in a more intelligent way than Bruno, who was very predictable, jab-jab, right cross, left hook, although oten without the left hook.

I think the Dubois v Hrgovic fight proved my assertion about the lack of depth in the division, Dubois is very one dimensional and easy to hit Hrgovic cannot fight more than 1 minute of a round before becoming exhausted, and both these guys are right at the top of the rankings.

I think that the Dubois v Hrgovic fight is evidence of the opposite. There have been one dimensional brutes near the top of the rankings often. There have been heavyweights who have stamina issues near the top often.

While my current opinion is that AJ will poleax Dubois, that is not to ignore that the 26 year old is a bit of a monster and he is improving. And Hrgovic certainly is not done unless he chooses to be.

I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree.

Dubios is physically strong, can punch, but he is clumsy, and incredibly one dimensional. Hrgovic was like a zombie after rounds 6, I cannot recall ever seeing a top 10 heavyweight so exhausted, after so little exertion, I am happy to be proven wrong, but I've been watching boxing close to 50 years now, and I cannot think of anybody in their prime, in the genuine top 10 rankings, with such atrocious conditioning.

C'mon, Dubois is rubbish. AJ would make easy work of him.

The HW division is stick thin right now.

[Kilburn]

C'mon, Dubois is rubbish. AJ would make easy work of him.

The HW division is stick thin right now.

I think fans of Dubois are capable of seeing his weaknesses. I guess it comes down to how good you think Joshua is. Personally I think some folk go way over board in predicting what Joshua will definitely do to decent fighters.

[TheLeprechaun]

I think that the Dubois v Hrgovic fight is evidence of the opposite. There have been one dimensional brutes near the top of the rankings often. There have been heavyweights who have stamina issues near the top often.

While my current opinion is that AJ will poleax Dubois, that is not to ignore that the 26 year old is a bit of a monster and he is improving. And Hrgovic certainly is not done unless he chooses to be.

I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree.

Dubios is physically strong, can punch, but he is clumsy, and incredibly one dimensional. Hrgovic was like a zombie after rounds 6, I cannot recall ever seeing a top 10 heavyweight so exhausted, after so little exertion, I am happy to be proven wrong, but I've been watching boxing close to 50 years now, and I cannot think of anybody in their prime, in the genuine top 10 rankings, with such atrocious conditioning.

C'mon, Dubois is rubbish. AJ would make easy work of him.

The HW division is stick thin right now.

Agreed. I'd expect a stoppage inside 6 for AJ. Hrgovic made a show of himself in that state of condition

[Boxerbeetle]

Current HW division is piss poor, this weekend has shown it yet again.

[Bigdogsnose]

No idea who wins this but i'd love to see it.

Considering how many shots dubois got hit with he didnt mark up at all last night. Nothing to do with AJ fight, just saying.

[keithmoonhangover]

This fight is happening. Teddy Atlas let it slip in an interview.

[ironbeard]

Current HW division is piss poor, this weekend has shown it yet again.

The current HW Div is not “piss poor.”

Ring top 10 1978:

Ali
Holmes
Leon Spinks
Lyle
Jimmy Young
Knoetze
Evangelista
Coetzee
Ocasio
Domingo D’Elia

Ali lost to fornicating Leon Spinks that year.

Please stop, before I am forced to go on.

[ironbeard]

The point is that the HW Div has nearly ALWAYS been as thin as or thinner than it is today.

[Boxerbeetle]

Current HW division is piss poor, this weekend has shown it yet again.

The current HW Div is not “piss poor.”

Ring top 10 1978:

Ali
Holmes
Leon Spinks
Lyle
Jimmy Young
Knoetze
Evangelista
Coetzee
Ocasio
Domingo D’Elia

Ali lost to fornicating Leon Spinks that year.

Please stop, before I am forced to go on.

It is piss poor currently, anyone can see it. Picking a random year which might also have been poor isn't relevant.

[The Docker]

Boxerbeetle is indeed correct, it's a sh!t era of heavyweights. Eras come and go, this one wants ridding.

[Ruthless-RKO]

How many elite level boxers does their have to be for it to be a good era?

Or as long as the best fight the best?

Someones gotta lose of course.

[SeanBrennan]

AJ stoppage of Dubois for me.

[keithmoonhangover]

Current HW division is piss poor, this weekend has shown it yet again.

The current HW Div is not “piss poor.”

Ring top 10 1978:

Ali
Holmes
Leon Spinks
Lyle
Jimmy Young
Knoetze
Evangelista
Coetzee
Ocasio
Domingo D’Elia

Ali lost to fornicating Leon Spinks that year.

Please stop, before I am forced to go on.

Why did you choose '78?

[ironbeard]

Current HW division is piss poor, this weekend has shown it yet again.

The current HW Div is not “piss poor.”

Ring top 10 1978:

Ali
Holmes
Leon Spinks
Lyle
Jimmy Young
Knoetze
Evangelista
Coetzee
Ocasio
Domingo D’Elia

Ali lost to fornicating Leon Spinks that year.

Please stop, before I am forced to go on.

It is piss poor currently, anyone can see it. Picking a random year which might also have been poor isn't relevant.

Random year? Pick ANY year 1960 or prior. The current depth of the HW Div is equal to or greater than the vast majority of years since the mid 1880s.

2015

Tyson Fury, Champion

Wladimir Klitschko
Alexander Povetkin
Deontay Wilder
Kubrat Pulev
Luis Ortiz
Bermane Stiverne
Vyacheslav Glazkov
Bryant Jennings
Ruslan Chagaev
Anthony Joshua

2008


Wladimir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
Ruslan Chagaev
Alexander Povetkin
Nikolay Valuev
Sultan Ibragimov
Samuel Peter
Oleg Maskaev
Juan Carlos Gomez
Alexander Dimitrenko

1974

Muhammad Ali, Champion

George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Ron Lyle
Oscar Bonavena
Joe Bugner
Ken Norton
Jerry Quarry
Chuck Wepner
Henry Clark
Larry Middleton

[ironbeard]

Current HW division is piss poor, this weekend has shown it yet again.

The current HW Div is not “piss poor.”

Ring top 10 1978:

Ali
Holmes
Leon Spinks
Lyle
Jimmy Young
Knoetze
Evangelista
Coetzee
Ocasio
Domingo D’Elia

Ali lost to fornicating Leon Spinks that year.

Please stop, before I am forced to go on.

Why did you choose '78?

Because I was there and that era included two of the top 5 boxers of all time on nearly every serious list.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think that the Dubois v Hrgovic fight is evidence of the opposite. There have been one dimensional brutes near the top of the rankings often. There have been heavyweights who have stamina issues near the top often.

While my current opinion is that AJ will poleax Dubois, that is not to ignore that the 26 year old is a bit of a monster and he is improving. And Hrgovic certainly is not done unless he chooses to be.

I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree.

Dubios is physically strong, can punch, but he is clumsy, and incredibly one dimensional. Hrgovic was like a zombie after rounds 6, I cannot recall ever seeing a top 10 heavyweight so exhausted, after so little exertion, I am happy to be proven wrong, but I've been watching boxing close to 50 years now, and I cannot think of anybody in their prime, in the genuine top 10 rankings, with such atrocious conditioning.

C'mon, Dubois is rubbish. AJ would make easy work of him.

The HW division is stick thin right now.

Err, that's whjat I was saying though?

[Boxerbeetle]

The current HW Div is not “piss poor.”

Ring top 10 1978:

Ali
Holmes
Leon Spinks
Lyle
Jimmy Young
Knoetze
Evangelista
Coetzee
Ocasio
Domingo D’Elia

Ali lost to fornicating Leon Spinks that year.

Please stop, before I am forced to go on.

It is piss poor currently, anyone can see it. Picking a random year which might also have been poor isn't relevant.

Random year? Pick ANY year 1960 or prior. The current depth of the HW Div is equal to or greater than the vast majority of years since the mid 1880s.

2015

Tyson Fury, Champion

Wladimir Klitschko
Alexander Povetkin
Deontay Wilder
Kubrat Pulev
Luis Ortiz
Bermane Stiverne
Vyacheslav Glazkov
Bryant Jennings
Ruslan Chagaev
Anthony Joshua

2008


Wladimir Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko
Ruslan Chagaev
Alexander Povetkin
Nikolay Valuev
Sultan Ibragimov
Samuel Peter
Oleg Maskaev
Juan Carlos Gomez
Alexander Dimitrenko

1974

Muhammad Ali, Champion

George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Ron Lyle
Oscar Bonavena
Joe Bugner
Ken Norton
Jerry Quarry
Chuck Wepner
Henry Clark
Larry Middleton

Obviously the Klitschko era was the worst, but this one really isn't much better. I'll certainly grant the HW division generally doesn't tend to have a great deal of depth, and the 70s / 90s are probably outliers in that regard, but the lack of skills and stamina in the current HW division is so poor. How many of them can even go 12 rounds at a reasonable pace without totally gassing out?