Who is your favorite "bad" fighter?

[Sweet Dick Willie]

I don't know, Gerry Cooney always spoke to me for some reason. Nowadays I'd say Carlos Gongora. Was really surprised when he beat Akhmedov, he didn't really shine in that fight or any other but I'm a fan...

[JC]

I don't know, Gerry Cooney always spoke to me for some reason. Nowadays I'd say Carlos Gongora. Was really surprised when he beat Akhmedov, he didn't really shine in that fight or any other but I'm a fan...

Funnily enough, I remember years ago seeing an article called something like 'Two Good Fighters' about two boxers the author though had been unfairly labelled as 'bad' by fans and the media. One was Cooney and the other was Marvis Frazier.

[Expug]

Interesting question. I’m thinking you mean seemingly unorthodox/sloppy looking fighters who seem to do things “wrong” but have success? Or maybe guys who nobody thought would come close to achieving what they did? Possibly had up and down records, bad luck, etc. Emmanuel Augustus, maybe. Certainly fun to watch and could definitely fight when the spirit moved him.

[gilgamesh]

I don't know, Gerry Cooney always spoke to me for some reason. Nowadays I'd say Carlos Gongora. Was really surprised when he beat Akhmedov, he didn't really shine in that fight or any other but I'm a fan...

Funnily enough, I remember years ago seeing an article called something like 'Two Good Fighters' about two boxers the author though had been unfairly labelled as 'bad' by fans and the media. One was Cooney and the other was Marvis Frazier.

In all fairness. If a guy was truly a "Bad Fighter" you simply wouldn't hear of him at all. The guys that make it to the top level, and just can't go any further are still good by any reasonable measure. They're just not great.

If you managed to make it into the Top 20 or 15 legitimately. You're good. You have to be.

Everybody can't be great though. That's what makes the great ones special.

[Sweet Dick Willie]

I don't know, Gerry Cooney always spoke to me for some reason. Nowadays I'd say Carlos Gongora. Was really surprised when he beat Akhmedov, he didn't really shine in that fight or any other but I'm a fan...

Funnily enough, I remember years ago seeing an article called something like 'Two Good Fighters' about two boxers the author though had been unfairly labelled as 'bad' by fans and the media. One was Cooney and the other was Marvis Frazier.

Really?

[Sweet Dick Willie]

'Cause Marvin Frazier was the other one I had in mind!!

[Sweet Dick Willie]

And yeah, I don't mean bad, I mean "bad"

[Sweet Dick Willie]

Jay Munly had a funny song where he sung

do you remember
Gerry Cooney
girls put your titties away...

[gilgamesh]

I always enjoy guys that are gonna force the action Win or Lose.

Ji Hoon Kim and Teddy Reid are a couple of ESPN Friday Night Fights level guys that I always enjoyed, and looked forward to seeing.

[Caractacus]

How do you think that Gerry Cooney could have been a better fighter ?
by having a more defined 'six-pack" 4 ya to see on him when he usta fight in the ring ?

[Sweet Dick Willie]

How do you think that Gerry Cooney could have been a better fighter ?
by having a more defined 'six-pack" 4 ya to see on him when he usta fight in the ring ?

Yes

[Sweet Dick Willie]

Should I also mention Jerry Quarry? Or is that too much...

I read somewhere that no one has ever witnessed such violence as it was when the Quarry brothers were sparring

[Caractacus]

well, how about Muhammad Ali then ?
because he always fought keeping his hands down,
never threw any body punches
and the big 'no-no" was that he always leaned backwards to get away from punches,
instead of slipping or ducking them.

[The Docker]

well, how about Muhammad Ali then ?
because he always fought keeping his hands down,
never threw any body punches
and the big 'no-no" was that he always leaned backwards to get away from punches,
instead of slipping or ducking them.

Yep, very valid points.

[Bodyshot3]

Probably the early version of Dennis Andries, a pure brawler.

Dennis was maybe the closest fighter the UK had to a real Rocky - he got hit a feck of a lot, swung and missed an awful lot, mauled like a rugby player - and was a seriousy ugly watch.

It was all about will, brute strength and fitness. Not an iota of finesse.

The Kronk team - amazed by the way Andries had gone to war with Tommy Hearns - decided that a guy with this much 'bottle' deserved to be taught how to slip or block a shot, tuck his chin-in and get a bit of lateral movement.

They did a decent job, Dennis won some big fights post-Hearns but the slugger often still came out.

Dennis was always a favourite of mine and his triology of fights with Harding are some of the best out there

[BoxBuzz]

Would being more tough than you are skilled be a qualifier? You can argue that most pro's are good....but if being tough was their strength....that might describe "bad". waiting for their opponent to wear out with all their fancy knowledge.....and then taking over based on chin or punching power or cardio or just ability to absorb damage? Or some combo of those? Were there many that fit that bill?

Mickey Ward and Arturo Gatti......sort of showed us a glimpse of a good pairing.....though they did both have skills...they may have been tougher than their skillset.

I guess I'd have to start with asking questions about some of the most durable of the elite...or those who rose to higher levels than their skillset should have allowed for.

Tex Cobb?, George Chuvalo? Or some of the journeymen fighters who couldn't win fights but couldn't be KO'd?

I'd have to give this some thought, and get a definition of just what sort of "bad" we are talking about.

[BoxBuzz]

Should I also mention Jerry Quarry? Or is that too much...

I read somewhere that no one has ever witnessed such violence as it was when the Quarry brothers were sparring

Quarry was very skilled.....so that may eliminate him for consideration. But in that vein......you might have to consider Matthew Saad Muhammad in the mix.

[Expug]

Not exactly sure what the criteria is but including guys who looked like they couldn’t correctly throw a punch and had two left feet but still were successful in the ring, Bruce Curry, could fit the bill. At least the times I saw him fight.

[Flump]

Ringo Bonavena springs to mind. Stood square on like a sumo wrestler. Was slow, threw crude shots, yet was a fixture in the division for many years because of other qualities such as his chin, strength etc.

[bennie]

I always liked Alfonzo Ratliff. He was slow and predictable but had plenty of guts and pulled off a huge win over Carlos De Leon for the world cruiserweight title in the summer of 1985. He held the title three months.

[Expug]

I always liked Alfonzo Ratliff. He was slow and predictable but had plenty of guts and pulled off a huge win over Carlos De Leon for the world cruiserweight title in the summer of 1985. He held the title three months.

Very tough. Trained in same gym with him in the 80s. May have sparred once or twice with him. Can’t remember for sure. Fuller park gym on Chicagos south side.

[Caractacus]

what makes a "Bad" fighter anyway ?
being continussly punched in the head ?
a weak jab ? what ?
(just arsking for a friewnd)

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Chad dawson

[bwu]

Chad dawson

Hahaha! I see what you did there.