Gerry Cooney vs Lewis?

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 13 Sep 2006, 16:14

This matchup has always been interesting, mainly because both were over 6 ft 5 and one has big power in his left and the other in his right and all other attributes are pretty close.

Heres my rundown on it

Power - Cooney
Speed- Lewis
Heart - Cooney
Endurance - Cooney
Cuts - Lewis
Chin - Cooney by a mile

My prediction? Cooney in an easy 6th round KO - Cooney gave Holmes a very good fight and backed up the champion with his massive lefts to the body, Lewis doesnt possess the movement of Holmes neither does he possess the body and chin to withstand the punishment.

The only way Lewis is going to win this fight if he fights like a John Ruiz ala Tyson, or puts on a boring display i.e Tua. But Lewis showed that he is totally incapable of backing up fighters with his jab (Mercer, Bruno, old man shot Holyfield with a heart problem) so I cant picture him backing up a far more stronger, bigger and tougher man in Cooney. Dont forget all Cooney's losses are to HOF's, Lewis's losses consists of 2 journeman and if the judges had scored properly, Mercer and Holyfield as well. Even that Vitali was stopped arguably by a headbutt and Bruno outboxed him for 7 rounds until Lewis used an illegal tactic to win the fight.

Again Cooney KO 6, feel free to give me your opinions.

MEISINGER · Post by **MEISINGER** » 13 Sep 2006, 16:21

i know gerry.i like gerry.gerry even admits that holmes schooled him.
cooney did not give holmes much trouble.watch the fight again.

lewis beats cooney 10 out of 10 times.no contest.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 13 Sep 2006, 16:44

Lewis KO 3. It'd start off as a jab affair with Lewis winning the first. Cooney lands a glancing left on Lewis in the 2nd, but Lewis shakes Cooney with a big right hand and has Gerry in trouble. The bell saves him from further punishment, but Lewis gets right back on the attack in the third. A sharp right to the jaw plops Cooney on the canvas and he flounders like a fish to get back to his feet. Another right drops Cooney again, this time he doesn't get up.

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 13 Sep 2006, 17:49

RazorKO wrote:This matchup has always been interesting, mainly because both were over 6 ft 5 and one has big power in his left and the other in his right and all other attributes are pretty close.

Heres my rundown on it

Power - Cooney
Speed- Lewis
Heart - Cooney
Endurance - Cooney
Cuts - Lewis
Chin - Cooney by a mile

My prediction? Cooney in an easy 6th round KO - Cooney gave Holmes a very good fight and backed up the champion with his massive lefts to the body, Lewis doesnt possess the movement of Holmes neither does he possess the body and chin to withstand the punishment.

The only way Lewis is going to win this fight if he fights like a John Ruiz ala Tyson, or puts on a boring display i.e Tua. But Lewis showed that he is totally incapable of backing up fighters with his jab (Mercer, Bruno, old man shot Holyfield with a heart problem) so I cant picture him backing up a far more stronger, bigger and tougher man in Cooney. Dont forget all Cooney's losses are to HOF's, Lewis's losses consists of 2 journeman and if the judges had scored properly, Mercer and Holyfield as well. Even that Vitali was stopped arguably by a headbutt and Bruno outboxed him for 7 rounds until Lewis used an illegal tactic to win the fight.

Again Cooney KO 6, feel free to give me your opinions.

What illegal tactic would that have been, mate?

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 14 Sep 2006, 04:25

Decagon wrote:The jab-right cross is illegal in England. That's why so many English heavyweights have trouble fighting in America. Lewis, fortunately, learned to box in Canada, so he was aware of techniques that most English heavyweights are not privy to, such as doing roadwork, not being a fat fuck, training for the fight, etc...

Very true......problem is,the American heavies seem to have copied their English cousins training methods,judging by the pile of shit they have been turning out recently.

barry · Post by **barry** » 14 Sep 2006, 04:30

>>>Very true......problem is,the American heavies seem to have copied their English cousins training methods,judging by the pile of shit they have been turning out recently.<<<

It must be tough living with the fact that in 100 years there has been only "1," I repeat, only "1" English heavyweight champion while there have been how many American heavyweight champions? 27 American Heavyweight Champions...ouch!!!

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Sep 2006, 05:29

Who did Cooney ever beat to suggest he could beat Lennox Lewis?

Lewis has showed much more devastating punch power than Cooney by actually knocking out top level heavyweights. Who did Cooney ever kayo?

Why has your chart got Cooney as having more heart? Cooney with more endurance and better chin than Lewis.... Your going toget yourself laughed out of this forum mate.

Lewis is way out of Cooneys league and your post makes it pretty clear that your judgement is clouded by your hatred of LL.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 14 Sep 2006, 06:02

Lewis, by KO in about 25 seconds.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2006, 06:24

Some of you are overrating Cooney by a mile... he fought Holmes like a rabbit caught in the headlights and I dont see things being much different against Lewis. While I rate Holmes much higher as a champ than Lewis I think styles being what they are Lewis would probably make short work of cooney... Lewis had decent power himself and Cooney didnt like to take it... this was probably be over in about 2 or 3 with Gerry seeing stars after being down about 3 times!...

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 14 Sep 2006, 06:26

I don't think Cooney made the best of his talents. I think he'd probably admit this himself. He should have used the Holmes fight as a learning experience and come back stronger. Unfortunately I think he was crushed by the weight of expectation. His left hook was an excting part of the HW division. It's a real shame he didn't resume his acreer and try again.

As for him beating Lewis well...there's nothing to suggest that Cooney could beat him.

barry · Post by **barry** » 14 Sep 2006, 06:34

As to Cooney-Lewis...Cooney KO 1...just kidding...don't blow a gasket silkov...

Lewis UD

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2006, 07:11

barry wrote:As to Cooney-Lewis...Cooney KO 1...just kidding...don't blow a gasket silkov...

Lewis UD

Whose blowing a gasket?... the phrase 'people in glass houses...' comes to mind here... you're the one harking on here about Americas 100 year heavyweight history, for some reason!...

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Flump · Post by **Flump** » 14 Sep 2006, 07:18

Lewis KO4. Way too many tools for Gentleman Gerry.

barry · Post by **barry** » 14 Sep 2006, 07:43

>>>you're the one harking on here about Americas 100 year heavyweight history, for some reason<<<

Well that was just brought to light for yiddo14...

It's just the way you pine about Vitali qutting that I would imagine anything negative said about Lewis would put you into "over-heating" mode!

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 14 Sep 2006, 08:50

barry wrote:>>>you're the one harking on here about Americas 100 year heavyweight history, for some reason<<<

Well that was just brought to light for yiddo14...

It's just the way you pine about Vitali qutting that I would imagine anything negative said about Lewis would put you into "over-heating" mode!

I'm not sure that Silkov rates Lewis that highly but I'm sure he'll tell you himself any minute.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Sep 2006, 09:05

Lol... Thats 8-1 in favour of LL so far... My faith in the forum is restored.

Was getting in a sweat for a brief moment there.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 14 Sep 2006, 09:22

Discussing Cooney pretty much leads to a dead end for the fact he never won an important fight, never beat a legit contender.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 14 Sep 2006, 09:29

Collins2000 wrote:
RazorKO wrote:This matchup has always been interesting, mainly because both were over 6 ft 5 and one has big power in his left and the other in his right and all other attributes are pretty close.

Heres my rundown on it

Power - Cooney
Speed- Lewis
Heart - Cooney
Endurance - Cooney
Cuts - Lewis
Chin - Cooney by a mile

My prediction? Cooney in an easy 6th round KO - Cooney gave Holmes a very good fight and backed up the champion with his massive lefts to the body, Lewis doesnt possess the movement of Holmes neither does he possess the body and chin to withstand the punishment.

The only way Lewis is going to win this fight if he fights like a John Ruiz ala Tyson, or puts on a boring display i.e Tua. But Lewis showed that he is totally incapable of backing up fighters with his jab (Mercer, Bruno, old man shot Holyfield with a heart problem) so I cant picture him backing up a far more stronger, bigger and tougher man in Cooney. Dont forget all Cooney's losses are to HOF's, Lewis's losses consists of 2 journeman and if the judges had scored properly, Mercer and Holyfield as well. Even that Vitali was stopped arguably by a headbutt and Bruno outboxed him for 7 rounds until Lewis used an illegal tactic to win the fight.

Again Cooney KO 6, feel free to give me your opinions.

What illegal tactic would that have been, mate?

From what I remember, Lewis put his left glove right up on Bruno's face blinding him and then using the uppercut to stop him...and even that didnt floor Bruno.
Lewis used the same tactic on Michael Grant but instead he actually pushed Grant's head down and used the uppercut again, Lewis should of been DQ'ed for used that illegal tactic right there and then.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 14 Sep 2006, 09:36

barry wrote:As to Cooney-Lewis...Cooney KO 1...just kidding...don't blow a gasket silkov...

Lewis UD

The most sensible preditcion Ive seen on this thread, I to agree that Lewis would gain a UD if he fought like a scared rabbit i.e (Tyson, Tua)

Cooney fought Holmes very bravely and backing up the champion and getting those digs into the body which would stun any fighter, it stunned Holmes at the end of that 4th. But I do agree that Holmes was in control but in those mid-rounds Cooney came strong until he was wore down. Hell at least Cooney did give a good fight to a Peak Holmes unlike PRIME Lewis who fought like a chump and held for dear life against a past it, shot, mentally unstable, wrecked and broke fighter in Tyson.

yiddo14 · Post by **yiddo14** » 14 Sep 2006, 10:17

barry wrote:>>>Very true......problem is,the American heavies seem to have copied their English cousins training methods,judging by the pile of shit they have been turning out recently.<<<

It must be tough living with the fact that in 100 years there has been only "1," I repeat, only "1" English heavyweight champion while there have been how many American heavyweight champions? 27 American Heavyweight Champions...ouch!!!

Hey that don't bother me mate,British heavyweights have always been crap.
I was just pointing out that currently,and in the near future,the American heavies are just as bad.
By the way,Lewis is English,Bruno is English,and if you are going to count WBO titles(personally I don't)then Herbie Hide is English!!!
Could always go too far and say Fraudley Harrison was WBF champion.....

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 14 Sep 2006, 10:22

Decagon wrote:
Ezzard wrote:I don't think Cooney made the best of his talents. I think he'd probably admit this himself. He should have used the Holmes fight as a learning experience and come back stronger. Unfortunately I think he was crushed by the weight of expectation. His left hook was an excting part of the HW division. It's a real shame he didn't resume his acreer and try again.

As for him beating Lewis well...there's nothing to suggest that Cooney could beat him.
I don't think he could learn how to make another $20 million. He did the smart thing. He invested his money wisely, got out of boxing and focused on charity work.

I heard a story that he got involed with smack and went thorugh a serious bout of despression. Anyone else hear this?

barry · Post by **barry** » 14 Sep 2006, 10:29

>>>By the way,Lewis is English,Bruno is English,and if you are going to count WBO titles(personally I don't)then Herbie Hide is English!!!<<<

Sorry, but I only recognize true champions...not the trinket holders...but even then...what does that make...3, 4 to 27!

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2006, 11:00

Well I thought this thread was about Cooney vs Lewis fighting, not Americas rather boring dominance of the heavyweight title!...
We can go on all day about the long line of American champs but that wont help poor Gerry beat Lewis... I dont actually rate Lewis as a top 10 champion but he had more than enough to beat Cooney... Gerry would have a punchers chance, but thats all...

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Sep 2006, 11:02

RazorKO wrote:
From what I remember, Lewis put his left glove right up on Bruno's face blinding him and then using the uppercut to stop him...and even that didnt floor Bruno.
Lewis used the same tactic on Michael Grant but instead he actually pushed Grant's head down and used the uppercut again, Lewis should of been DQ'ed for used that illegal tactic right there and then.

Lol. Lewis had already put Bruno out on his feet with a left hook. Even Bruno doesn't argue about any illegal tactics. The fight was already done.

As for the Grant fight.. Well if you come at a skilled boxer with your head down and arms swinging wildly, prepare to get knocked out. This is another meaningless transgression in fights Lewis was always going to win & has absolutely no bearing on a Lewis/Cooney mismatch.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 14 Sep 2006, 11:03

barry wrote:>>>By the way,Lewis is English,Bruno is English,and if you are going to count WBO titles(personally I don't)then Herbie Hide is English!!!<<<

Sorry, but I only recognize true champions...not the trinket holders...but even then...what does that make...3, 4 to 27!

How many Heavyweight champs have you got now though??..

. er....er....er... NONE!!!.

:x ... whooooooooooppppppsssss!... 8)

sorry! couldnt resist!... dont worry you've still got Shannon Briggs!!!...

:x

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