How a small man like Canelo is so strong to fight full-fledged top 168-175-pounders and spar heavyweights?

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How a small man like Canelo is so strong to fight full-fledged top 168-175-pounders and spar heavyweights?

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I mean if you'd don't know him you'd say he's an average high school boy that you could take him down. Very deceiving, yet very strong fighter.
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he's short but not that small, built like a tank
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margaret thatcher wrote: 04 Jun 2024, 16:54 he's short but not that small, built like a tank
Indeed he is stocky, but c'mon is not that wide or something like a short version of Hulk. Kirkland was more bigger than him frame-wise. Mall Charlo, Hurd, J-Rock, Trout were bigger guys at 154.

Also Canelo hits very hard for a shorty fighter. Bivol said he hurted his arm. Kovalev got KO'ed, Callum Smith also had his arm badly hurted.
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Mexican beef is like Popeye's spinach, apparently
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Canelo maybe short for the weight he fights at now - but he is built like a tank.
Thick strong legs and quite a thick midriff all benefitted by his great boxing IQ from the best record of any active fighter in the game today - and comparable to the best in the history of the sport.

Canelo has similarities to Usyk in being able to operate successfully against naturally bigger guys by using a 12 rnds fight plan. Both guys use early rounds to break or tire the opponent down .. that takes confidence in your ability.
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apollo creed wrote: 04 Jun 2024, 17:14
margaret thatcher wrote: 04 Jun 2024, 16:54 he's short but not that small, built like a tank
Indeed he is stocky, but c'mon is not that wide or something like a short version of Hulk. Kirkland was more bigger than him frame-wise. Mall Charlo, Hurd, J-Rock, Trout were bigger guys at 154.

Also Canelo hits very hard for a shorty fighter. Bivol said he hurted his arm. Kovalev got KO'ed, Callum Smith also had his arm badly hurted.
J Rock, Trout, and Hurd are taller than Canelo, but not thicker. Canelo has a very powerfully built physique. Normally that kinda physique isn't an advantage for a boxer, but it works out well for Canelo.
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Yeah probably his bulky core, quads, back and neck are the reason why is so strong but of course that his ring IQ and his grit are playing a big part too. But yeah , Canelo is like a sayan fighter.

I don't remember if he was backed off by a fighter in a dominant way.
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They want Canelo v Crawford at 160-ish
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Evander wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 05:53 They want Canelo v Crawford at 160-ish
Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..
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Some are just built that way , very tough , very strong, and very good . Lucky i suppose
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Small and short are not the same. And being short is not always disadvantage in boxing as many think. :box: :box:
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coneye wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 10:04 Some are just built that way , very tough , very strong, and very good . Lucky i suppose
Yup, probably. His trainers said that when Canelo was a teenager, he beat grown up men in sparrings. Probably they were some bums but still. I guess some people are born with very good genes.
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tonyevs wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 08:29
Evander wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 05:53 They want Canelo v Crawford at 160-ish
Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..
In AJ and Fury's case it would hurt more than it would hurt Canelo. Canelo has been around, and fighting at a high level for such a long time that to suddenly write him off as "Well he wasn't that good" would be ridiculous.

I think if Crawford were to beat him would be to look at Crawford as exceptionally great, and something you almost never see rather than pretending as if Canelo wasn't a great fighter.
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gilgamesh wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 12:26
tonyevs wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 08:29
Evander wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 05:53 They want Canelo v Crawford at 160-ish
Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..
In AJ and Fury's case it would hurt more than it would hurt Canelo. Canelo has been around, and fighting at a high level for such a long time that to suddenly write him off as "Well he wasn't that good" would be ridiculous.

I think if Crawford were to beat him would be to look at Crawford as exceptionally great, and something you almost never see rather than pretending as if Canelo wasn't a great fighter.
At 160 I could see Bud beating Canelo.
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apollo creed wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 12:52
gilgamesh wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 12:26
tonyevs wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 08:29

Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..
In AJ and Fury's case it would hurt more than it would hurt Canelo. Canelo has been around, and fighting at a high level for such a long time that to suddenly write him off as "Well he wasn't that good" would be ridiculous.

I think if Crawford were to beat him would be to look at Crawford as exceptionally great, and something you almost never see rather than pretending as if Canelo wasn't a great fighter.
At 160 I could see Bud beating Canelo.
I could see it at 168 too.

I don't think Canelo would come down to 160 for the bout. He's played this game before, and lost.
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Canelo is a throwback sort of fellow. Reminiscent to the greats from the past, who were short in stature.
Tommy Burns, Sam Langford, and Dwight Muhammad Quawi spring to mind in terms of basic comparative aspects.
It'd be a very bad idea for Canelo to fight under 168 at this point in time, especially versus someone such as Crawford.
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1286809 wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 18:15 Canelo is a throwback sort of fellow. Reminiscent to the greats from the past, who were short in stature.
Tommy Burns, Sam Langford, and Dwight Muhammad Quawi spring to mind in terms of basic comparative aspects.
It'd be a very bad idea for Canelo to fight under 168 at this point in time, especially versus someone such as Crawford.
Canelo ain't stupid. He is the golden goose of boxing. If this fight would happen, probably Bud would be around 164/5 lbs for the fight.
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tonyevs wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 08:29
Evander wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 05:53 They want Canelo v Crawford at 160-ish
Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..
Got some good points there.
All that said, I heard he doesn't want the Crawford fight after all.

Going to go out on a limb here and take a stab at who he will box, I noticed Andre Ward has been putting it about on social media, I wonder if there's something relating to Ward in the offing.
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Evander wrote: 06 Jun 2024, 22:46
tonyevs wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 08:29
Evander wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 05:53 They want Canelo v Crawford at 160-ish
Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..
Got some good points there.
All that said, I heard he doesn't want the Crawford fight after all.

Going to go out on a limb here and take a stab at who he will box, I noticed Andre Ward has been putting it about on social media, I wonder if there's something relating to Ward in the offing.
Mall, Berlanga, Eubank Jr, are all waiting for the Canelo jackpot.

Ward should've been more serious about this back then in 2018-2019, not now at 40 y/o.
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apollo creed wrote: 07 Jun 2024, 05:52
Evander wrote: 06 Jun 2024, 22:46
tonyevs wrote: 05 Jun 2024, 08:29

Aside from the money - its a no win situation for Canelo.
If he wins then people say he was just too big and it does nothing for his legacy - if he loses then his legacy is seriously devalued.

Similar to Fury & Joshua vs Usyk. If they had beat Usyk I don`t think overall their legacies would have been enhanced much more than the wins over Ngannou because, aside from the casuals, they would have just been expected to have been too big anyways.
But their losses have emphasised they were not that good after all ..
Got some good points there.
All that said, I heard he doesn't want the Crawford fight after all.

Going to go out on a limb here and take a stab at who he will box, I noticed Andre Ward has been putting it about on social media, I wonder if there's something relating to Ward in the offing.
Mall, Berlanga, Eubank Jr, are all waiting for the Canelo jackpot.

Ward should've been more serious about this back then in 2018-2019, not now at 40 y/o.
Well same time Ward has kept himself in very good shape, yes I would have preferred a younger Ward but I'd certainly wouldn't count him out.
How Eubank Jr get's in the frame is beyond me, unless of course Canelo wants an easy fight decent payday.
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Evander wrote: 08 Jun 2024, 14:55
apollo creed wrote: 07 Jun 2024, 05:52
Evander wrote: 06 Jun 2024, 22:46

Got some good points there.
All that said, I heard he doesn't want the Crawford fight after all.

Going to go out on a limb here and take a stab at who he will box, I noticed Andre Ward has been putting it about on social media, I wonder if there's something relating to Ward in the offing.
Mall, Berlanga, Eubank Jr, are all waiting for the Canelo jackpot.

Ward should've been more serious about this back then in 2018-2019, not now at 40 y/o.
Well same time Ward has kept himself in very good shape, yes I would have preferred a younger Ward but I'd certainly wouldn't count him out.
How Eubank Jr get's in the frame is beyond me, unless of course Canelo wants an easy fight decent payday.
DAZN, Hearn , O2 Arena + Canelo = big, big money
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apollo creed wrote: 08 Jun 2024, 15:02
Evander wrote: 08 Jun 2024, 14:55
apollo creed wrote: 07 Jun 2024, 05:52

Mall, Berlanga, Eubank Jr, are all waiting for the Canelo jackpot.

Ward should've been more serious about this back then in 2018-2019, not now at 40 y/o.
Well same time Ward has kept himself in very good shape, yes I would have preferred a younger Ward but I'd certainly wouldn't count him out.
How Eubank Jr get's in the frame is beyond me, unless of course Canelo wants an easy fight decent payday.
DAZN, Hearn , O2 Arena + Canelo = big, big money
Oh I know
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apollo creed wrote: 04 Jun 2024, 16:38 I mean if you'd don't know him you'd say he's an average high school boy that you could take him down. Very deceiving, yet very strong fighter.
What high school did you go to?!
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How could Tyson and Holyfield fight much bigger guys? Canelo's opponents at 168 are not much bigger than him, just taller.
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He’s so darn quick and sets traps like no one else out there. It’s a matter of time b4 he unloads on an open target and within 12 rounds, it’s tough for anyone to get to the final bell with this guy. Which makes Bivol’s victory so incredible. I think Bivol is the most undervalued fighter in a long time. He should be no less than top 3 P4P lists.
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