Edwin Valero versus Jorge Linares

[goose 5]

135 pounds 12 rounds

[Les Norton]

Valero by knockout

[EdwardRevolver1993]

Valero by late stoppage, after Linares enjoys a good start.

By the way, both were friendly and sparred many rounds with each other at Wild Card Gym.

[gilgamesh]

Linares outboxes and stops the overrated hype machine that was Edwin Valero.

[margaret thatcher]

valero is a bad matchup for linares, stops him late. you didnt have to be some p4p ultra proven dude to beat linares btw, valero beatdown victim antonio demarco did it

i also wouldnt say valero was all that hyped, his sh!t hit the fight before hype could really take off among western boxing fans. he rarely got shown on major networks, and was before boxing content really took off on social media like it is today. one time only used to go on about him being overhyped and i never got it, definitely not while he was living

[gilgamesh]

valero is a bad matchup for linares, stops him late. you didnt have to be some p4p ultra proven dude to beat linares btw, valero beatdown victim antonio demarco did it

i also wouldnt say valero was all that hyped, his sh!t hit the fight before hype could really take off among western boxing fans. he rarely got shown on major networks, and was before boxing content really took off on social media like it is today. one time only used to go on about him being overhyped and i never got it, definitely not while he was living

Nah the overhyped-ness definitely started after his death.

If you're undefeated, never really accomplish anything of note, and commit some sorta major crime there's some segment of fans that'll talk about how good you could've been.

To me in cases like that, you showed us exactly how good you're not, and in my mind you lose all the fights you didn't fight because you're a f*ck up.

[margaret thatcher]

well how about, edwin valero easily battered and stopped someone who was too hard for linares. edwin valero was a multi time, multi division world champ who knocked out everyone he faced. when did linares outclass and then ko anyone like this?

many great boxers have been scum, we arent rating them on their personal lives

[gilgamesh]

well how about, edwin valero easily battered and stopped someone who was too hard for linares. edwin valero was a multi time, multi division world champ who knocked out everyone he faced

many great boxers have been scum, we arent rating them on their personal lives

I am whenever they died before accomplishing anything worth noting. If it's a guy like Carlos Monzon who had beaten a who's who of the division for years before committing a crime, yeah I can rate him on his achievements as a fighter.

When it's a guy who's just now getting somewhere in the sport when he f*cks it all up. That's his legacy to me. A guy that f*cked it all up. Those people are losers.

[margaret thatcher]

valero easily beat someone who ko'd linares well into linares career, in a world title fight. that alone is enough for valero to be in this conversation with linares. before that valero was a multi division world champion, with a good amateur career too. he showed tools that could definitely cause linares problems, imo beat linares

[gilgamesh]

View Valero however you wish. I've expressed my opinion on him.

I'm sure I'd pick him to win over some bums with losing records, you're not gonna see me picking him over any fighter that ever accomplished something though.

[margaret thatcher]

View Valero however you wish. I've expressed my opinion on him.

I'm sure I'd pick him to win over some bums with losing records, you're not gonna see me picking him over any fighter that ever accomplished something though.

lol, he easily stopped a guy, a world champion, that ko'd linares

[gilgamesh]

Cool story bro

Linares beats him. He's a better fighter.

[margaret thatcher]

who would you pick in valero vs demarco 2

[gilgamesh]

who would you pick in valero vs demarco 2

Valero. I can admit that a guy would likely beat a guy that he already beat

However I'd pick Tua to beat Ibeabuchi in a rematch because in my opinion he did deserve the decision anyway in their fight.

[EdwardRevolver1993]

View Valero however you wish. I've expressed my opinion on him.

I'm sure I'd pick him to win over some bums with losing records, you're not gonna see me picking him over any fighter that ever accomplished something though.

Well, Demarco didn't have a notable win before he starched Linares. He still managed to rally from behind and stop him.

I agree with you that Valero mostly remains a mythical fighter. But there are many fighters who took a giant leap in the level of opposition and still managed to shine. Like, Brook got out of the comfort zone of the UK and beat then-unbeaten Porter in the US. List goes on.

Valero has a thin resume. However, I'd say there is enough footage (on Valero) for forming an opinion of him.

I wouldn't pick him over Pac or Marquez. But I think he matches up well with Linares (who himself was a very inconsistent and vulnerable fighter). I think, he gets to him late. Might score a stoppage on cuts.

[margaret thatcher]

no valero didnt have the best resume, but he was obviously a good fighter and i think all wrong for a guy like linares who was known to crack. aggression, power, fitness, and showed some toughness when he needed to vs mosquera. i remember the first attention he got in western boxing was impressing several different boxing writers who were visiting gyms he was training in. this was before his big ko streak really started building, and before any post-death mythical boost

seems like there must have been some over hype at one point (i never noticed tbh) that made some people go too far the other way. not to mention valero was a piece of sh!t, so i get it

[EdwardRevolver1993]

no valero didnt have the best resume, but he was obviously a good fighter and i think all wrong for a guy like linares who was known to crack. aggression, power, fitness, and showed some toughness when he needed to vs mosquera. i remember the first attention he got in western boxing was impressing several different boxing writers who were visiting gyms he was training in. this was before his big ko streak really started building, and before any post-death mythical boost

seems like there must have been some over hype at one point (i never noticed tbh) that made some people go too far the other way. not to mention valero was a piece of sh!t, so i get it

Yep. Doug Fischer from The Ring Magazine watched a lot of Valero's sparring sessions live at Wild Card and was very complimentary of him and his abilities. And as I've mentioned above, Valero and Linares sparred many rounds with each other.

You probably remember Vyacheslav Senchenko? He trained at Wild Card in 2009-2012. Great guy. We know each other well. He was telling me that he trained alongside Linares a lot. I don't recall him mentioning Valero, but I might ask whether he saw him. If he saw him, I bet that was shortly before Valero's death.

[goose 5]

I'll tell you a Senchenko story that I suspect he'd laught at. I put a heavy bet down on him before the Hatton bout as I was convinced he'd stop Hatton. When I told the great matchmaker Johnny Bos he berated me to no end for not checking with him as he had inside info that the fight was fixed and Senchenko would lay down. Well, when I called Bos after the fight all he could say was the KO was a mistake.

[EdwardRevolver1993]

I'll tell you a Senchenko story that I suspect he'd laught at. I put a heavy bet down on him before the Hatton bout as I was convinced he'd stop Hatton. When I told the great matchmaker Johnny Bos he berated me to no end for not checking with him as he had inside info that the fight was fixed and Senchenko would lay down. Well, when I called Bos after the fight all he could say was the KO was a mistake.

Man, that's a funny story!) Well, I can tell for sure that Senchenko himself was very amped up for the Hatton fight. He wanted to redeem himself after a loss to Malignaggi and prove people wrong.

I had a privilege to work on the "Best I Faced" piece about Senchenko, for "The Ring" (I served as a translator). I'm sure that you know this feature. If you're interested, I'll post a link to it. He touches on that time period.

https://www.ringtv.com/662648-best-i-fa ... -senchenko

[goose 5]

Thank you for posting that; I enjoyed reading it a lot. What he said about Brook's rehydration weight is something else !

[goose 5]

Do you know Linares ?

[EdwardRevolver1993]

Thank you for posting that; I enjoyed reading it a lot. What he said about Brook's rehydration weight is something else !

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it!

Regarding Brook - you have to wonder, whether he really was "a small man" when he came up to 160lbs and fought GGG. I remember, it was mentioned, that he wasn't really cutting a lot of weight before this particular fight. Meanwhile, he was struggling to get down to 147lbs.

As far as Linares - nope, I don't know him) He comes across as a complete opposite to Valero (as a human being). So, it's interesting that they were actually friends.

[goose 5]

That's exactly what I was thinking about Linares-the epitome of a gentleman.

[EdwardRevolver1993]

That's exactly what I was thinking about Linares-the epitome of a gentleman.

Yes, he comes across as a classy dude. By the way, "Best I Faced" with Linares will also be interesting one day. He had a good, but also... strange(?) career. Decent resume, but I struggle to say what is his signature win. Also, lost some fights that he shouldn't have lost. A talented, but inconsistent fighter.

[NazNaci1]

Valero is a little undervalued, for various reasons. For me, however, he was a fearless fighter who would just come at you and had quick hands and decent skills.

Linares was a fabulous fighter, at his peak, rapid, skilful but there was an air of fragility.

I'd take Valero, with his equally quick hands, heavy, relentless pressure and power to, eventually, get to Linares.