Gerry Cooney vs Lewis?

[overhand_right]

You forgot the legendary Michael Bentt in our vast collection of WBO non-champs.

[silkov]

Didnt mr Excitement Johnny Nelson once hold a WBU version of the HEAVYWEIGHT title?...
I do love Herbie Hide... how can you not love a boxer whose named after a Volkeswagon Beetle and is well known for kerb crawling!... 8)

[Ambling Alp]

This matchup has always been interesting, mainly because both were over 6 ft 5 and one has big power in his left and the other in his right and all other attributes are pretty close.

Heres my rundown on it

Power - Cooney
Speed- Lewis
Heart - Cooney
Endurance - Cooney
Cuts - Lewis
Chin - Cooney by a mile

My prediction? Cooney in an easy 6th round KO - Cooney gave Holmes a very good fight and backed up the champion with his massive lefts to the body, Lewis doesnt possess the movement of Holmes neither does he possess the body and chin to withstand the punishment.

The only way Lewis is going to win this fight if he fights like a John Ruiz ala Tyson, or puts on a boring display i.e Tua. But Lewis showed that he is totally incapable of backing up fighters with his jab (Mercer, Bruno, old man shot Holyfield with a heart problem) so I cant picture him backing up a far more stronger, bigger and tougher man in Cooney. Dont forget all Cooney's losses are to HOF's, Lewis's losses consists of 2 journeman and if the judges had scored properly, Mercer and Holyfield as well. Even that Vitali was stopped arguably by a headbutt and Bruno outboxed him for 7 rounds until Lewis used an illegal tactic to win the fight.

Again Cooney KO 6, feel free to give me your opinions.

I strongly disagree with your "rundown"

Power You give the edge to Cooney. Have to give the edge to Lewis because he proved it against much tougher competition.

Speed- You gave to Lewis. Actually this is pretty close. Neither were known for hand or foot speed.

Heart -Cooney? In what fight did Cooney ever prove he had great heart? Edge goes to Lewis.

Endurance - Cooney? Huh? Cooney went longer than 8 rounds once in his entire career and lost that time. Edge goes to Lewis.

Cuts -You gave to Lewis. This is actually pretty close. Neither to seem to have serious problems with cuts.

Chin - Cooney by a mile? This is absolutely crazy. Cooney never proved he had a chin in any fight. He got the crap kicked out of him by Michael Spinks. Lewis was knocked out a couple of times, but he fought a lot of good punchers. He had a good chin.
Definite edge in chin goes to Lewis.

If Cooney had his head on right (like the Holmes fight) he could be somewhat competitive, but it's unlikely that he would win. However, if he fought like he did against Spinks and an ancient Foreman, he would get crushed early.

Cooney would have a 1 in 10 punchers chance at most.

[KO Artist]

This matchup has always been interesting, mainly because both were over 6 ft 5 and one has big power in his left and the other in his right and all other attributes are pretty close.

Heres my rundown on it

Power - Cooney
Speed- Lewis
Heart - Cooney
Endurance - Cooney
Cuts - Lewis
Chin - Cooney by a mile

My prediction? Cooney in an easy 6th round KO - Cooney gave Holmes a very good fight and backed up the champion with his massive lefts to the body, Lewis doesnt possess the movement of Holmes neither does he possess the body and chin to withstand the punishment.

The only way Lewis is going to win this fight if he fights like a John Ruiz ala Tyson, or puts on a boring display i.e Tua. But Lewis showed that he is totally incapable of backing up fighters with his jab (Mercer, Bruno, old man shot Holyfield with a heart problem) so I cant picture him backing up a far more stronger, bigger and tougher man in Cooney. Dont forget all Cooney's losses are to HOF's, Lewis's losses consists of 2 journeman and if the judges had scored properly, Mercer and Holyfield as well. Even that Vitali was stopped arguably by a headbutt and Bruno outboxed him for 7 rounds until Lewis used an illegal tactic to win the fight.

Again Cooney KO 6, feel free to give me your opinions.

I strongly disagree with your "rundown"

Power You give the edge to Cooney. Have to give the edge to Lewis because he proved it against much tougher competition.

Speed- You gave to Lewis. Actually this is pretty close. Neither were known for hand or foot speed.

Heart -Cooney? In what fight did Cooney ever prove he had great heart? Edge goes to Lewis.

Endurance - Cooney? Huh? Cooney went longer than 8 rounds once in his entire career and lost that time. Edge goes to Lewis.

Cuts -You gave to Lewis. This is actually pretty close. Neither to seem to have serious problems with cuts.

Chin - Cooney by a mile? This is absolutely crazy. Cooney never proved he had a chin in any fight. He got the crap kicked out of him by Michael Spinks. Lewis was knocked out a couple of times, but he fought a lot of good punchers. He had a good chin.
Definite edge in chin goes to Lewis.

If Cooney had his head on right (like the Holmes fight) he could be somewhat competitive, but it's unlikely that he would win. However, if he fought like he did against Spinks and an ancient Foreman, he would get crushed early.

Cooney would have a 1 in 10 punchers chance at most.

I am English, of Irish parentage. Lewis is about a english as Hong Kong Fooey.

Lewis accomplished far more than Cooney and is by far a greater fighter.

Head to Head, in their primes, howvever brief, I would expect Cooney to knock Lewis out in one or two rounds or failing that Lewis to KO Cooney in about 9 or win on points.

This would be a very tough fight for either man.

[RazorKO]

From what I remember, Lewis put his left glove right up on Bruno's face blinding him and then using the uppercut to stop him...and even that didnt floor Bruno.
Lewis used the same tactic on Michael Grant but instead he actually pushed Grant's head down and used the uppercut again, Lewis should of been DQ'ed for used that illegal tactic right there and then.

Lol. Lewis had already put Bruno out on his feet with a left hook. Even Bruno doesn't argue about any illegal tactics. The fight was already done.

As for the Grant fight.. Well if you come at a skilled boxer with your head down and arms swinging wildly, prepare to get knocked out. This is another meaningless transgression in fights Lewis was always going to win & has absolutely no bearing on a Lewis/Cooney mismatch.

Was it a left hook that put Bruno out on his feet? Ill have another look and if is true Ill take back what I said about the Bruno KO. But I still stand by Lewis holding Grant's head down and uppercuting him with his right which is not only a disgusting move, but also totatly unessesary and should of led to his disqualification.

[RazorKO]

This matchup has always been interesting, mainly because both were over 6 ft 5 and one has big power in his left and the other in his right and all other attributes are pretty close.

Heres my rundown on it

Power - Cooney
Speed- Lewis
Heart - Cooney
Endurance - Cooney
Cuts - Lewis
Chin - Cooney by a mile

My prediction? Cooney in an easy 6th round KO - Cooney gave Holmes a very good fight and backed up the champion with his massive lefts to the body, Lewis doesnt possess the movement of Holmes neither does he possess the body and chin to withstand the punishment.

The only way Lewis is going to win this fight if he fights like a John Ruiz ala Tyson, or puts on a boring display i.e Tua. But Lewis showed that he is totally incapable of backing up fighters with his jab (Mercer, Bruno, old man shot Holyfield with a heart problem) so I cant picture him backing up a far more stronger, bigger and tougher man in Cooney. Dont forget all Cooney's losses are to HOF's, Lewis's losses consists of 2 journeman and if the judges had scored properly, Mercer and Holyfield as well. Even that Vitali was stopped arguably by a headbutt and Bruno outboxed him for 7 rounds until Lewis used an illegal tactic to win the fight.

Again Cooney KO 6, feel free to give me your opinions.

I strongly disagree with your "rundown"

Power You give the edge to Cooney. Have to give the edge to Lewis because he proved it against much tougher competition.

Speed- You gave to Lewis. Actually this is pretty close. Neither were known for hand or foot speed.

Heart -Cooney? In what fight did Cooney ever prove he had great heart? Edge goes to Lewis.

Endurance - Cooney? Huh? Cooney went longer than 8 rounds once in his entire career and lost that time. Edge goes to Lewis.

Cuts -You gave to Lewis. This is actually pretty close. Neither to seem to have serious problems with cuts.

Chin - Cooney by a mile? This is absolutely crazy. Cooney never proved he had a chin in any fight. He got the crap kicked out of him by Michael Spinks. Lewis was knocked out a couple of times, but he fought a lot of good punchers. He had a good chin.
Definite edge in chin goes to Lewis.

If Cooney had his head on right (like the Holmes fight) he could be somewhat competitive, but it's unlikely that he would win. However, if he fought like he did against Spinks and an ancient Foreman, he would get crushed early.

Cooney would have a 1 in 10 punchers chance at most.

You cant hold the losses of Spinks on Cooney's chin as Cooney was past it, a recovering alcoholic and his heart was no longer in the game. And even then it took Spinks multiple shots to knock the big man over, Cooney wasnt taken out by one punch i.e Lewis, it was a series of shots that finally made Cooney crumble. Plus that fact that Cooney was even older and even more out of it when he fought Foreman, dont forget Cooney had Foreman going in that first round and Foreman said that left hook was one of the hardest punches he ever took in his career. That fight wasnt all onesided.

Also true Lewis did fight a lot of good punchers but it is the way he handled them, he fought like a 56 year old Hulk Hogan against Tyson, he fought purerly boring and defensive against Tua which you can compare with his drivel fight with Tyson and he knocked out Ruddock where the Razor was already past it going 19 rounds with Tyson. In the first Rahman fight you could see arrogant Lewis was laughing and taunting Hashim....then WHOMP, that surely took the smile off his smug face

Endurance - Cooney? Huh? Cooney went longer than 8 rounds once in his entire career and lost that time. Edge goes to Lewis

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I say Cooney has the edge because he went 13 tough rounds with Holmes and Cooney, depsite the punishment he took still looked like he in there t ostay. However prime Lewis was huffing and blowing at the end of the Mercer fight where IMHO he was comfortablly beaten and he looked like a damsel in distress against Klithscko.

Heart -Cooney? In what fight did Cooney ever prove he had great heart? Edge goes to Lewis.

He showed heart in the Holmes fight which is one more than Lewis ever showed. The only time Ive seen Lewis shown 'Heart' was when he was shook up momentaliry by Briggs, Shannon Briggs of all people!

[The Great John L]

Razor, by any chance did Lennox Lewis run over your cat?

[The Great John L]

No, just Razor Ruddock.

Oh yeah, that explains it...

[evndrbsn]

From what I remember, Lewis put his left glove right up on Bruno's face blinding him and then using the uppercut to stop him...and even that didnt floor Bruno.
Lewis used the same tactic on Michael Grant but instead he actually pushed Grant's head down and used the uppercut again, Lewis should of been DQ'ed for used that illegal tactic right there and then.

Lol. Lewis had already put Bruno out on his feet with a left hook. Even Bruno doesn't argue about any illegal tactics. The fight was already done.

As for the Grant fight.. Well if you come at a skilled boxer with your head down and arms swinging wildly, prepare to get knocked out. This is another meaningless transgression in fights Lewis was always going to win & has absolutely no bearing on a Lewis/Cooney mismatch.

Was it a left hook that put Bruno out on his feet? Ill have another look and if is true Ill take back what I said about the Bruno KO. But I still stand by Lewis holding Grant's head down and uppercuting him with his right which is not only a disgusting move, but also totatly unessesary and should of led to his disqualification.

I'll agree with you on the Grant KO. I think only one of the knockdowns was truly legitimate, with all the rest coming from illegal shots. Regardless, the KO punch was about as blatantly illegal as they come. I was shocked when it happened. No warning, point deduction, time out, nothing at all!

I'm not sure a DQ was in order but a time out or no contest wouldn't have pissed too many people off. Just as dirty as when Riddick Bowe blasted Buster Mathis Jr. when he was on the canvas in my opinion.

Unlike you, though, I liked Lennox. I didn't really like or respect him until after the first Holyfield fight, but I did after that. Disrespect him personally if you want, but don't disrespect his talent. The man could box with the best of them.

[Ambling Alp]

This matchup has always been interesting, mainly because both were over 6 ft 5 and one has big power in his left and the other in his right and all other attributes are pretty close.

Heres my rundown on it

Power - Cooney
Speed- Lewis
Heart - Cooney
Endurance - Cooney
Cuts - Lewis
Chin - Cooney by a mile

My prediction? Cooney in an easy 6th round KO - Cooney gave Holmes a very good fight and backed up the champion with his massive lefts to the body, Lewis doesnt possess the movement of Holmes neither does he possess the body and chin to withstand the punishment.

The only way Lewis is going to win this fight if he fights like a John Ruiz ala Tyson, or puts on a boring display i.e Tua. But Lewis showed that he is totally incapable of backing up fighters with his jab (Mercer, Bruno, old man shot Holyfield with a heart problem) so I cant picture him backing up a far more stronger, bigger and tougher man in Cooney. Dont forget all Cooney's losses are to HOF's, Lewis's losses consists of 2 journeman and if the judges had scored properly, Mercer and Holyfield as well. Even that Vitali was stopped arguably by a headbutt and Bruno outboxed him for 7 rounds until Lewis used an illegal tactic to win the fight.

Again Cooney KO 6, feel free to give me your opinions.

I strongly disagree with your "rundown"

Power You give the edge to Cooney. Have to give the edge to Lewis because he proved it against much tougher competition.

Speed- You gave to Lewis. Actually this is pretty close. Neither were known for hand or foot speed.

Heart -Cooney? In what fight did Cooney ever prove he had great heart? Edge goes to Lewis.

Endurance - Cooney? Huh? Cooney went longer than 8 rounds once in his entire career and lost that time. Edge goes to Lewis.

Cuts -You gave to Lewis. This is actually pretty close. Neither to seem to have serious problems with cuts.

Chin - Cooney by a mile? This is absolutely crazy. Cooney never proved he had a chin in any fight. He got the crap kicked out of him by Michael Spinks. Lewis was knocked out a couple of times, but he fought a lot of good punchers. He had a good chin.
Definite edge in chin goes to Lewis.

If Cooney had his head on right (like the Holmes fight) he could be somewhat competitive, but it's unlikely that he would win. However, if he fought like he did against Spinks and an ancient Foreman, he would get crushed early.

Cooney would have a 1 in 10 punchers chance at most.

You cant hold the losses of Spinks on Cooney's chin as Cooney was past it, a recovering alcoholic and his heart was no longer in the game. And even then it took Spinks multiple shots to knock the big man over, Cooney wasnt taken out by one punch i.e Lewis, it was a series of shots that finally made Cooney crumble. Plus that fact that Cooney was even older and even more out of it when he fought Foreman, dont forget Cooney had Foreman going in that first round and Foreman said that left hook was one of the hardest punches he ever took in his career. That fight wasnt all onesided.

Also true Lewis did fight a lot of good punchers but it is the way he handled them, he fought like a 56 year old Hulk Hogan against Tyson, he fought purerly boring and defensive against Tua which you can compare with his drivel fight with Tyson and he knocked out Ruddock where the Razor was already past it going 19 rounds with Tyson. In the first Rahman fight you could see arrogant Lewis was laughing and taunting Hashim....then WHOMP, that surely took the smile off his smug face

Endurance - Cooney? Huh? Cooney went longer than 8 rounds once in his entire career and lost that time. Edge goes to Lewis

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I say Cooney has the edge because he went 13 tough rounds with Holmes and Cooney, depsite the punishment he took still looked like he in there t ostay. However prime Lewis was huffing and blowing at the end of the Mercer fight where IMHO he was comfortablly beaten and he looked like a damsel in distress against Klithscko.

Heart -Cooney? In what fight did Cooney ever prove he had great heart? Edge goes to Lewis.

He showed heart in the Holmes fight which is one more than Lewis ever showed. The only time Ive seen Lewis shown 'Heart' was when he was shook up momentaliry by Briggs, Shannon Briggs of all people!

Some of these points don't make much sense. There is no way that Ruddock was "past it" when Lewis knocked him out in 2 rounds. Ruddock was only 28, only had 30 fights, and didn't have that many tough fights. Ruddock looked like his normal self in beating Page and Jackson inbetween the 2nd Tyson and his fight with Lewis.

Lewis showed guts in fighting the best guys available, while Cooney got knocked out the only 3 times that he took on a credible opponent. Lewis went at least 10 rounds in a fight 7 times in his career. The Mercer fight was a hard fought fight and naturally he was tired at the end. I also thought Mercer deserved the decison (he fought up to his capabilities that fight) but Lewis certainly put in a good effort. This wasn't even a title fight. Lewis certainly could have found an easier opponent than Mercer.
Lewis showed that he had heart, endurance and had a good chin over the course of his career.

It's not really fair to say that Lewis lacked stamina because of the Klitschko fight. He was 37 and was in the worst shape of his career. He showed in other fights that his stamina was fine.

Cooney beat absolutely no one that was was remotely close to their prime that had any ability. Cooney didn't prove that he had stamina against Holmes; if anything he seemed to run out of gas. As mentioned before, he never went over 8 rounds in any other fight. After he lost to Holmes, he quit for couple of years. After he lost to Spinks and quit again. He never bounced back from a loss like Lewis did.

I never particularly liked Lewis, but he deserves his due. He was a far better fighter than Cooney and matches up very well head to head.

[evndrbsn]

Some of these points don't make much sense. There is no way that Ruddock was "past it" when Lewis knocked him out in 2 rounds. Ruddock was only 28, only had 30 fights, and didn't have that many tough fights. Ruddock looked like his normal self in beating Page and Jackson inbetween the 2nd Tyson and his fight with Lewis.

Lewis showed guts in fighting the best guys available, while Cooney got knocked out the only 3 times that he took on a credible opponent. Lewis went at least 10 rounds in a fight 7 times in his career. The Mercer fight was a hard fought fight and naturally he was tired at the end. I also thought Mercer deserved the decison (he fought up to his capabilities that fight) but Lewis certainly put in a good effort. This wasn't even a title fight. Lewis certainly could have found an easier opponent than Mercer.
Lewis showed that he had heart, endurance and had a good chin over the course of his career.

It's not really fair to say that Lewis lacked stamina because of the Klitschko fight. He was 37 and was in the worst shape of his career. He showed in other fights that his stamina was fine.

Cooney beat absolutely no one that was was remotely close to their prime that had any ability. Cooney didn't prove that he had stamina against Holmes; if anything he seemed to run out of gas. As mentioned before, he never went over 8 rounds in any other fight. After he lost to Holmes, he quit for couple of years. After he lost to Spinks and quit again. He never bounced back from a loss like Lewis did.

I never particularly liked Lewis, but he deserves his due. He was a far better fighter than Cooney and matches up very well head to head.

I think you are being a little unfair to Cooney. He beat Jimmy Young, Ron Lyle, and Ken Norton who were pretty damn credible opponents. They might have been passed it, but they weren't .500 par opponents who only showed up for a payday. Both Young and Lyle were coming off back to back victories and Norton was 1-0-1 in his last two against Tex Cobb and Scott LeDoux.

Maybe they weren't worldbeaters by this point, but they were definitely solid wins for Cooney over credible tests.

[dr_devious]

[quote="barry It must be tough living with the fact that in 100 years there has been only "1," I repeat, only "1" English heavyweight champion while there have been how many American heavyweight champions? 27 American Heavyweight Champions...ouch!!![/quote]

Since I dont think there have been 27 undisputed American heavyweight champions, there have been 3 English champs - Fitzsimmons, Lewis and Bruno (WBC only)

[RazorKO]

Lol. Lewis had already put Bruno out on his feet with a left hook. Even Bruno doesn't argue about any illegal tactics. The fight was already done.

As for the Grant fight.. Well if you come at a skilled boxer with your head down and arms swinging wildly, prepare to get knocked out. This is another meaningless transgression in fights Lewis was always going to win & has absolutely no bearing on a Lewis/Cooney mismatch.

Was it a left hook that put Bruno out on his feet? Ill have another look and if is true Ill take back what I said about the Bruno KO. But I still stand by Lewis holding Grant's head down and uppercuting him with his right which is not only a disgusting move, but also totatly unessesary and should of led to his disqualification.

I'll agree with you on the Grant KO. I think only one of the knockdowns was truly legitimate, with all the rest coming from illegal shots. Regardless, the KO punch was about as blatantly illegal as they come. I was shocked when it happened. No warning, point deduction, time out, nothing at all!

I'm not sure a DQ was in order but a time out or no contest wouldn't have pissed too many people off. Just as dirty as when Riddick Bowe blasted Buster Mathis Jr. when he was on the canvas in my opinion.

Unlike you, though, I liked Lennox. I didn't really like or respect him until after the first Holyfield fight, but I did after that. Disrespect him personally if you want, but don't disrespect his talent. The man could box with the best of them.

Thanks for your support about the Geant KO, the KO was absolutley a blatant foul. And I watched the Bruno fight and yes you were right about that it was a left hook, and therefore I take back everything I said about the Lewis-Bruno fight.

And for your final paragraph, I do respect Lewis as a fighter, all fighters deserve respect and Lewis was a damn good one. But compared to the greats or the greats of the 90's Lewis doesnt deserve to be mentioned in the same sentance as Ali, Holmes, Louis, Frazier etc.
Lewis in my opinion wasnt the best in his era either and I rank Tyson, Holyfield and Bowe over him and he is severly overated.

I just dont respect Lewis's arrogance and the way he talks like he is 'Superior' to everyone else. The way he talks about himself in the 3rd person makes me want to swtich off the TV as its just cringing and embarassing to watch.

[overhand_right]

I think you are being a little unfair to Cooney. He beat Jimmy Young, Ron Lyle, and Ken Norton who were pretty damn credible opponents. They might have been passed it, but they weren't .500 par opponents who only showed up for a payday. Both Young and Lyle were coming off back to back victories and Norton was 1-0-1 in his last two against Tex Cobb and Scott LeDoux.

Maybe they weren't worldbeaters by this point, but they were definitely solid wins for Cooney over credible tests.

Your only telling half the story mate. Jimmy Young was coming off back to back losses to Ossie Ocasio, plus Michael Dokes.

Ron Lyle had been knocked clean out by journeyman Lynn Ball.

Ken Norton had a gift over Tex Cobb & scraped home v LeDoux in a fight where i actually believe he won on points but LeDoux had him OUT in the last rd.

These guys were severely shopworn targets for Cooney to beat on.

[dr_devious]

[quote="RazorKO"] Lewis in my opinion wasnt the best in his era either and I rank Tyson, Holyfield and Bowe over him and he is severly overated.quote]

HTF do you rate Tyson, Holyfield and Bowe over Lewis when a. Lewis beat all 3 of them and b. Tyson and Bowe spent years ducking Lewis?

[RazorKO]

Lewis in my opinion wasnt the best in his era either and I rank Tyson, Holyfield and Bowe over him and he is severly overated.quote]

HTF do you rate Tyson, Holyfield and Bowe over Lewis when a. Lewis beat all 3 of them and b. Tyson and Bowe spent years ducking Lewis?

So you truly think the Lewis win over Tyson is credible?

Hell prime Lewis LOST to old man Holyfield the rematch and if Lewis fought Bowe Riddick would of put him in a coma no question.

[evndrbsn]

I think you are being a little unfair to Cooney. He beat Jimmy Young, Ron Lyle, and Ken Norton who were pretty damn credible opponents. They might have been passed it, but they weren't .500 par opponents who only showed up for a payday. Both Young and Lyle were coming off back to back victories and Norton was 1-0-1 in his last two against Tex Cobb and Scott LeDoux.

Maybe they weren't worldbeaters by this point, but they were definitely solid wins for Cooney over credible tests.

Your only telling half the story mate. Jimmy Young was coming off back to back losses to Ossie Ocasio, plus Michael Dokes.

Ron Lyle had been knocked clean out by journeyman Lynn Ball.

Ken Norton had a gift over Tex Cobb & scraped home v LeDoux in a fight where i actually believe he won on points but LeDoux had him OUT in the last rd.

These guys were severely shopworn targets for Cooney to beat on.

I said they were past their individual peaks. I'm saying they were just as good wins for Cooney as Marciano's KO of Joe Louis. Louis wasn't at his best, but he still was a credible fighter with a good history.

Wins over Lyle, Norton, and Young were good victories for Cooney. They are much better than wins over a 12-24 type fighter. Yes, they were passed their primes, I never said they weren't. But its not like they were on 10 fight losing streaks either.

[SandySadler]

This matchup has always been interesting, mainly because both were over 6 ft 5 and one has big power in his left and the other in his right and all other attributes are pretty close.

Heres my rundown on it

Power - Cooney
Speed- Lewis
Heart - Cooney
Endurance - Cooney
Cuts - Lewis
Chin - Cooney by a mile

My prediction? Cooney in an easy 6th round KO - Cooney gave Holmes a very good fight and backed up the champion with his massive lefts to the body, Lewis doesnt possess the movement of Holmes neither does he possess the body and chin to withstand the punishment.

The only way Lewis is going to win this fight if he fights like a John Ruiz ala Tyson, or puts on a boring display i.e Tua. But Lewis showed that he is totally incapable of backing up fighters with his jab (Mercer, Bruno, old man shot Holyfield with a heart problem) so I cant picture him backing up a far more stronger, bigger and tougher man in Cooney. Dont forget all Cooney's losses are to HOF's, Lewis's losses consists of 2 journeman and if the judges had scored properly, Mercer and Holyfield as well. Even that Vitali was stopped arguably by a headbutt and Bruno outboxed him for 7 rounds until Lewis used an illegal tactic to win the fight.

Again Cooney KO 6, feel free to give me your opinions.

Cooney can get off the floor and continue fighting..

Lewis on the other hand..well..when he goes down HE STAYS DOWN..

I'd go with JC...

He'd never get whipped by a crackhead like Oliver McCall or a trial horse like Rahman..

It took the best to stop JC..but any old crack-whore stands a chance to lay out Lewis....Even Shannon Briggs had him ready to go..not to mention the ass whippin' he took from Ray Mercer..

[RazorKO]

This matchup has always been interesting, mainly because both were over 6 ft 5 and one has big power in his left and the other in his right and all other attributes are pretty close.

Heres my rundown on it

Power - Cooney
Speed- Lewis
Heart - Cooney
Endurance - Cooney
Cuts - Lewis
Chin - Cooney by a mile

My prediction? Cooney in an easy 6th round KO - Cooney gave Holmes a very good fight and backed up the champion with his massive lefts to the body, Lewis doesnt possess the movement of Holmes neither does he possess the body and chin to withstand the punishment.

The only way Lewis is going to win this fight if he fights like a John Ruiz ala Tyson, or puts on a boring display i.e Tua. But Lewis showed that he is totally incapable of backing up fighters with his jab (Mercer, Bruno, old man shot Holyfield with a heart problem) so I cant picture him backing up a far more stronger, bigger and tougher man in Cooney. Dont forget all Cooney's losses are to HOF's, Lewis's losses consists of 2 journeman and if the judges had scored properly, Mercer and Holyfield as well. Even that Vitali was stopped arguably by a headbutt and Bruno outboxed him for 7 rounds until Lewis used an illegal tactic to win the fight.

Again Cooney KO 6, feel free to give me your opinions.

Cooney can get off the floor and conticue fighting..

Lewis on the other hand..well..when he goes down HE STAYS DOWN..

I'd go with JC...

He'd never get whipped by a crackhead like Oliver McCall or a trial horse like Rahman..

It took the best to stop JC..but any old crack-whore stands a chance to lay out Lewis....Even Shannon Briggs had him ready to go..not to mention the ass whippin' he took from Ray Mercer..

Damn good post, I 100% agree with everything you said.

[Collins2000]

This matchup has always been interesting, mainly because both were over 6 ft 5 and one has big power in his left and the other in his right and all other attributes are pretty close.

Heres my rundown on it

Power - Cooney
Speed- Lewis
Heart - Cooney
Endurance - Cooney
Cuts - Lewis
Chin - Cooney by a mile

My prediction? Cooney in an easy 6th round KO - Cooney gave Holmes a very good fight and backed up the champion with his massive lefts to the body, Lewis doesnt possess the movement of Holmes neither does he possess the body and chin to withstand the punishment.

The only way Lewis is going to win this fight if he fights like a John Ruiz ala Tyson, or puts on a boring display i.e Tua. But Lewis showed that he is totally incapable of backing up fighters with his jab (Mercer, Bruno, old man shot Holyfield with a heart problem) so I cant picture him backing up a far more stronger, bigger and tougher man in Cooney. Dont forget all Cooney's losses are to HOF's, Lewis's losses consists of 2 journeman and if the judges had scored properly, Mercer and Holyfield as well. Even that Vitali was stopped arguably by a headbutt and Bruno outboxed him for 7 rounds until Lewis used an illegal tactic to win the fight.

Again Cooney KO 6, feel free to give me your opinions.

Cooney can get off the floor and conticue fighting..

Lewis on the other hand..well..when he goes down HE STAYS DOWN..

I'd go with JC...

He'd never get whipped by a crackhead like Oliver McCall or a trial horse like Rahman..

It took the best to stop JC..but any old crack-whore stands a chance to lay out Lewis....Even Shannon Briggs had him ready to go..not to mention the ass whippin' he took from Ray Mercer..

Damn good post, I 100% agree with everything you said.

Hahahahahha, including referring to him by the initials "JC" no doubt.

Buzzy, are those 2 posts immediately above this from the same ISP by any chance?

[The Great John L]

...I'd go with JC...

Who's JC?

[Ross]

I have really enjoyed reading this thread and agree with RazorKO who is pointing out the Lewis was just not that good. Sure he beat up an old Holyfield and Tyson but in my opinion both men would have Koed LL in their respective primes.
Does Gerry Cooney beat Lewis - we will never know, but something that has come up more than once is the FACT that big Gerry got knocked down in the second round and gt up and fought another 11 rounds. When LL got knocked down he stayed down.
LL was a dirty fighter - Grant head pull into upper cut, Frank Bruno fight and the way he rubbed his laces into Vitalis wound.

Cooney fought well against Holmes but had no chance of winning, and Holmes is about a million times better than Lewis ever was.
My guess is if Gerry landed that left hook before LL landed the right hand the big brit would go down and OUT.

Ross

[RazorKO]

Cooney can get off the floor and conticue fighting..

Lewis on the other hand..well..when he goes down HE STAYS DOWN..

I'd go with JC...

He'd never get whipped by a crackhead like Oliver McCall or a trial horse like Rahman..

It took the best to stop JC..but any old crack-whore stands a chance to lay out Lewis....Even Shannon Briggs had him ready to go..not to mention the ass whippin' he took from Ray Mercer..

Damn good post, I 100% agree with everything you said.

Hahahahahha, including referring to him by the initials "JC" no doubt.

Buzzy, are those 2 posts immediately above this from the same ISP by any chance?

Just because a person agrees with my view you think its an alias? Not eveyone thinks Lewis is a great fighter and Im glad people still have sense that Lewis is a good fighter, but absolutley NOT a great one.

[yiddo14]

Some of the shit on here is classic!!!!

The beating Lewis took off old man Mercer.....of course mate

Prime(not true)Lewis lost the rematch against Holyfield....one of the biggest myths on this site!!Do yourself a favour,check the punch stats,judges scorecards,general opinion of the journalists,ex pro's ringside.Then try to give a logical reason why you think Holyfield won?Complete myth,trust me.
All that happened was Lewis did'nt whoop Holy as bad as he did in the first fight.Now,I can only assume that you judge this by the verdict of the first fight,which was scored a draw,so therefore beleive Lewis lost.Either way,Lewis won BOTH fights,the first won by a country mile...

Rahman is a trial horse.....he is also a 2-TIME WORLD CHAMPION.Some trial horse..........

I understand that some people don't rate Lewis,and that's fine,everyone is entitled to their opinion.
But the utter shit people come out with,based purely on the hate they have for Lewis as a person is plain dumb.

[MEISINGER]

Some of the shit on here is classic!!!!

The beating Lewis took off old man Mercer.....of course mate

Prime(not true)Lewis lost the rematch against Holyfield....one of the biggest myths on this site!!Do yourself a favour,check the punch stats,judges scorecards,general opinion of the journalists,ex pro's ringside.Then try to give a logical reason why you think Holyfield won?Complete myth,trust me.
All that happened was Lewis did'nt whoop Holy as bad as he did in the first fight.Now,I can only assume that you judge this by the verdict of the first fight,which was scored a draw,so therefore beleive Lewis lost.Either way,Lewis won BOTH fights,the first won by a country mile...

Rahman is a trial horse.....he is also a 2-TIME WORLD CHAMPION.Some trial horse..........

I understand that some people don't rate Lewis,and that's fine,everyone is entitled to their opinion.
But the utter shit people come out with,based purely on the hate they have for Lewis as a person is plain dumb.

most logical and well thought out post of the day