The G-man.

TerribleTim2 · Post by **TerribleTim2** » 14 Sep 2006, 09:24

Thats rough to watch.

JCS · Post by **JCS** » 14 Sep 2006, 09:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFSbh1qQNQU

Tougher than that?

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 14 Sep 2006, 09:26

ive seen it before and yes it is painful to watch. It is hard to imagine that 10 years ago he was a prime physical speciman of an athlete. :(

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 14 Sep 2006, 11:20

Tragic.

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 14 Sep 2006, 15:28

Very sad fight, the G man was a great fighter.

Ill never forget or forgive some members of the crowd who were shouting 'DIE YOU YANK DIE'! to an unconcious McClelan being taken away in a stretcher. Those so called 'Fans' who shouted that remark should be in my opinion be hung up by their balls and shot, boxing doesnt need these fans who act like absolute scum.

realboy · Post by **realboy** » 14 Sep 2006, 15:39

Yes, but those fans chanting and jeering were and are thick stupid chavs, probably the forefathers of the mongs in society in the UK today. But I love them all really.

JAHamilton77 · Post by **JAHamilton77** » 14 Sep 2006, 16:07

Benn has become a minister in Spain I believe. there was a story about this in The Ring a few months back.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 14 Sep 2006, 16:46

samuel wrote:May the (allegedly) animal abusing piece of sh*t rot in hell once his punishment here on earth is concluded. An eternity in a lake of fire should make up for his (allegedly) taping a shelter dogs mouth shut so he could time how long his pitbull took to kill it, among other (alleged) atrocities he committed.

Of course, as Barry has pointed out repeatedly, it's all allegations and hearsay, so on the chance that he was really an innocent angel, may God have mercy on my soul for the joy I felt at the divine justice that was served up to him in a boxing ring that night.

Now there is a complex set of diverse and conflicting values.

Baby Face Finster · Post by **Baby Face Finster** » 14 Sep 2006, 16:52

All I got to say is Karma is a bitch and she will eventually come back around.

Baby Face Finster · Post by **Baby Face Finster** » 14 Sep 2006, 17:26

I wouldn't say he was an evil person but rather a bad person. Though his actions were reprehensible I don't think he was evil.

Evil is Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, terrorists, serial killers and child molesters. That is evil.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 14 Sep 2006, 19:42

And is there ANY proof to these allegations? Thought not.

Tragic outcome, atleast it came from doing what he loved.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 14 Sep 2006, 19:57

I have not seen anyone but posters here talk about McClellan as an animal abuser, and we know how truthful some can be here. Until some presents proof, I'm going to claim innocent until proven guilty.

and no innocent man deserves his fate.

SLMOMMA · Post by **SLMOMMA** » 14 Sep 2006, 20:49

livingstone cole wrote:www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5v7ZkaLA60

Don't know if you've seen this, it's worth a watch. Haunting as it is.

That made me cry.

That was so hard to watch.

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 15 Sep 2006, 00:57

samuel wrote:May the (allegedly) animal abusing piece of sh*t rot in hell once his punishment here on earth is concluded. An eternity in a lake of fire should make up for his (allegedly) taping a shelter dogs mouth shut so he could time how long his pitbull took to kill it, among other (alleged) atrocities he committed.

Of course, as Barry has pointed out repeatedly, it's all allegations and hearsay, so on the chance that he was really an innocent angel, may God have mercy on my soul for the joy I felt at the divine justice that was served up to him in a boxing ring that night.

the only kind of person who could call gerald's tragic injuries "poetic justice" for some ALLEGED atrocities based on HEARSAY has got to be a psychotic animal rights activist!! i bet you sneak around at night "liberating" virus-infected monkeys from their "prisons" so they can bit and infect us evil humans!!

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 15 Sep 2006, 01:04

sockdollanger wrote:ive seen it before and yes it is painful to watch. It is hard to imagine that 10 years ago he was a prime physical speciman of an athlete. :(

the toughest part of it was the incompetent french ref---alfred azaro---who permitted dozens of rabbit punches by benn...not to mention the flying "accidental" headbutt benn delivered after missing that exaggerated roundhouse right hand he threw!! he also did everything he could to keep gerald off of benn for most of the 1st round after benn climbed back into the ring from that knockdown!!

i believe that was his first refereeing assignment for a world title bout!! it's no coincidence that the wbc didnt let alfred azaro referee another world title bout for about another 5 years or so after that...he was primarily a ringside judge before and after the mcclellan disaster and after seeing his mishandling of the mcclellan-benn fight it is easy to understand why!!

SLMOMMA · Post by **SLMOMMA** » 15 Sep 2006, 01:36

Everyone has skeletons, now Im NOT saying that if he did that it was ok, of course its not, I love animals. But evryone does at least one bad thing in there life, now, just think about it.......at least he wasnt out raping or murdering. I dont believe he deserves to live that life. Its not a life at all. I dont think I will "play god" and be his judge and jury.

TerribleTim2 · Post by **TerribleTim2** » 15 Sep 2006, 03:08

samuel wrote:
SLMOMMA wrote:Everyone has skeletons, now Im NOT saying that if he did that it was ok, of course its not, I love animals. But evryone does at least one bad thing in there life, now, just think about it.......at least he wasnt out raping or murdering. I dont believe he deserves to live that life. Its not a life at all. I dont think I will "play god" and be his judge and jury.
Let's see, you love animals but you think that someone who tapes a shelter dogs mouth shut so another dog can rip it apart should be forgiven? You think someone whose hobby was dog fighting is an OK guy? You obviously DON'T love animals. Sure you may think they're cute, but that's as far as it goes with a person like yourself. Stick to stuffed teddy bears and rearing your brood of crack babies. I thought edeescam was stupid but man oh man, you have proved that there is a level of intelligence on this board even lower than I could have imagined!

I understand your sentiment about animal cruelity but I would not wish his current fate on anyone.

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 15 Sep 2006, 03:11

shoutout2u wrote:
sockdollanger wrote:ive seen it before and yes it is painful to watch. It is hard to imagine that 10 years ago he was a prime physical speciman of an athlete. :(
the toughest part of it was the incompetent french ref---alfred azaro---who permitted dozens of rabbit punches by benn...not to mention the flying "accidental" headbutt benn delivered after missing that exaggerated roundhouse right hand he threw!! he also did everything he could to keep gerald off of benn for most of the 1st round after benn climbed back into the ring from that knockdown!!

i believe that was his first refereeing assignment for a world title bout!! it's no coincidence that the wbc didnt let alfred azaro referee another world title bout for about another 5 years or so after that...he was primarily a ringside judge before and after the mcclellan disaster and after seeing his mishandling of the mcclellan-benn fight it is easy to understand why!!

Here we go again with this only American fighters fight fairly bullshit, while all johnny foriegners are cheats. Get your facts right McClellan was brought over here to batter Benn, which he did quite legitimately in the first minute. As you rightly pointed out the absolutely F,,,UKIN USELESS referee ) who incidentally spoke not one word of English ) gave Nigel almost 30 seconds to recover from a perfectly legal punch NOT a PUSH out of the ring. The last punch of that round was a left hook from Benn that made Gerald stand to attention like a soldier on parade. From then on the fight was as brutal as any ever seen, with both fighters doing whatever it took to gain the upper hand. So all the rabbit punching, and head butting bollox is just that bollox. I personally had £500 pounds on a McClellan win and when he knocked Benn out of the ring quickly i was waving my betting slip around like a madman, but that silly bastard Frenchman soon ended my celebrations.
As for the animal abuse allegations, i think there is more than enough evidence to claim that McClellan, like a lot of others that keep and use fighting dogs, is a less than caring person towards animals. However it can only be wrong to say that he got some form of poetic justice as a result of the fight with Benn.

amohoop34 · Post by **amohoop34** » 15 Sep 2006, 04:21

Andy Mac, you did NOT need to throw in that first sentence. Nobody said ANYTHING about trying to stereotype americans or foreigners except you. Now i happened to agree with the rest of your post and thought it was insightful, but going off on the nationalistic rant makes it easy for others to ignore the intelligent parts of your argument. If no one brings up nationalistic pride or stereotypes, just leave it the hell alone.

conan_the_cribber · Post by **conan_the_cribber** » 15 Sep 2006, 05:27

From the thread "Why I love boxing"

Jaybee From The Castle wrote:
3) The look of anguished hurt in a fighters eyes as his future and his health are being demolished whilst his entire family look on in horror;

5) The all-too infrequent, thus all the more delightful fights when one Boxer is turned into a cabbage (a la Michael Watson)

Jaybee.

An appropriate time to remind everyone what sort of guy Jaybee is.

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 15 Sep 2006, 05:28

Andy Mac wrote:
shoutout2u wrote:
sockdollanger wrote:ive seen it before and yes it is painful to watch. It is hard to imagine that 10 years ago he was a prime physical speciman of an athlete. :(
the toughest part of it was the incompetent french ref---alfred azaro---who permitted dozens of rabbit punches by benn...not to mention the flying "accidental" headbutt benn delivered after missing that exaggerated roundhouse right hand he threw!! he also did everything he could to keep gerald off of benn for most of the 1st round after benn climbed back into the ring from that knockdown!!

i believe that was his first refereeing assignment for a world title bout!! it's no coincidence that the wbc didnt let alfred azaro referee another world title bout for about another 5 years or so after that...he was primarily a ringside judge before and after the mcclellan disaster and after seeing his mishandling of the mcclellan-benn fight it is easy to understand why!!
Here we go again with this only American fighters fight fairly bullshit, while all johnny foriegners are cheats. Get your facts right McClellan was brought over here to batter Benn, which he did quite legitimately in the first minute. As you rightly pointed out the absolutely F,,,UKIN USELESS referee ) who incidentally spoke not one word of English ) gave Nigel almost 30 seconds to recover from a perfectly legal punch NOT a PUSH out of the ring. The last punch of that round was a left hook from Benn that made Gerald stand to attention like a soldier on parade. From then on the fight was as brutal as any ever seen, with both fighters doing whatever it took to gain the upper hand. So all the rabbit punching, and head butting bollox is just that bollox. I personally had £500 pounds on a McClellan win and when he knocked Benn out of the ring quickly i was waving my betting slip around like a madman, but that silly bastard Frenchman soon ended my celebrations.
As for the animal abuse allegations, i think there is more than enough evidence to claim that McClellan, like a lot of others that keep and use fighting dogs, is a less than caring person towards animals. However it can only be wrong to say that he got some form of poetic justice as a result of the fight with Benn.

the only nationality i mentioned was the french ref, so the "americans fight fair but not foreigners" is something you are reading between the lines...thus confirming my view that you do, in fact, have a something of an anti-american streak...other than that the post seems solid, though you forgot to mention how the incompetent ref kept pulling gerald away from benn every time he moved in for the kill (and i'm not just talking about 30 seconds)...

RJJ is a big cockfighting guy & altho i am not an animal fighting fan, i'm glad you agree that the "poetic justice" concept was way over the top!!

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 15 Sep 2006, 05:34

samuel wrote:
shoutout2u wrote:
samuel wrote:May the (allegedly) animal abusing piece of sh*t rot in hell once his punishment here on earth is concluded. An eternity in a lake of fire should make up for his (allegedly) taping a shelter dogs mouth shut so he could time how long his pitbull took to kill it, among other (alleged) atrocities he committed.

Of course, as Barry has pointed out repeatedly, it's all allegations and hearsay, so on the chance that he was really an innocent angel, may God have mercy on my soul for the joy I felt at the divine justice that was served up to him in a boxing ring that night.
the only kind of person who could call gerald's tragic injuries "poetic justice" for some ALLEGED atrocities based on HEARSAY has got to be a psychotic animal rights activist!! i bet you sneak around at night "liberating" virus-infected monkeys from their "prisons" so they can bit and infect us evil humans!!
No, I am not a PETA member , although I daresay that I would agree with a lot of their views, not all though as I am too pragmatic for that. I donate to animal shelters and I speak up when I see something I think is unfair but that is as far as my own brand of activism goes. I believe that animals should be treated with as much dignity and respect as possible. If anyone is sick, it is people like yourself who fail to see that a person would do the things that Gerald is alleged to have done is not a person who deserves pity. There are countless people who do, but not people who are cruel beyond description to living, feeling things that are innocent, loyal, and even protective. What he allegedly did is a betrayal of monumental proportions. Furthermore, it is a well established fact that people who are cruel to animals often graduate to performing the same acts against humans.

i am against animal cruelty in any form, but the obvious delight you finding in serving as judge, jury and executioner for the G-MAN---based on HEARSAY shows that you are in fact the one who is dysfunctionally self-righteous!!

it's almostlike you are HOPING the hearsay is true so you can sadistically pontificate against a man who is essentially a vegetable!!

now THAT is cruel...

shoutout · Post by **shoutout** » 15 Sep 2006, 05:44

samuel wrote:
SLMOMMA wrote:Everyone has skeletons, now Im NOT saying that if he did that it was ok, of course its not, I love animals. But evryone does at least one bad thing in there life, now, just think about it.......at least he wasnt out raping or murdering. I dont believe he deserves to live that life. Its not a life at all. I dont think I will "play god" and be his judge and jury.
Let's see, you love animals but you think that someone who tapes a shelter dogs mouth shut so another dog can rip it apart should be forgiven? You think someone whose hobby was dog fighting is an OK guy? You obviously DON'T love animals. Sure you may think they're cute, but that's as far as it goes with a person like yourself. Stick to stuffed teddy bears and rearing your brood of crack babies. I thought edeescam was stupid but man oh man, you have proved that there is a level of intelligence on this board even lower than I could have imagined!

so anyone who doesnt adopt your position is an animal-hater/killer?!? i think it was probably someone like you who is so opposed to dog fighting that they INVENTED the "sheltered dog with eyes taped shut story" so they could DRAMATIZE their disgust with the sport!! such a story surely wouldnt come from a fellow dog fight fan (the only kind of person who would be there)...was this from a police blotter report based on an arrest?!? i seriously doubt that & the authenticity of the charges!!

Andy Mac · Post by **Andy Mac** » 15 Sep 2006, 06:21

amohoop34 wrote:Andy Mac, you did NOT need to throw in that first sentence. Nobody said ANYTHING about trying to stereotype americans or foreigners except you. Now i happened to agree with the rest of your post and thought it was insightful, but going off on the nationalistic rant makes it easy for others to ignore the intelligent parts of your argument. If no one brings up nationalistic pride or stereotypes, just leave it the hell alone.

I am niether niave or stupid, and i try to treat everyone else as such. The implication is plainly there for all to see, poor lone foriegn fighter getting the raw end of the deal, with the aquiesence of the third party biased referee. Even to the point of fabricating events that simply did not happen, such as the ref continually pulling McClellan away from Benn whenever he was on top. Watch the tape again and you will see that when they went toe to toe it was always McClellan looking for the respite.
You could possibly be right about my assumptions, but it just happens that this post was written very soon after Mayweather said to Boxing Monthly that the only way chop chop loses is if he gets robbed in England. As this is not the first time such unfounded allegations have been made, one can only assume that there is a strong opinion over there that English, fighters, officials, promters and all others involved in boxing cheat somehow.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 15 Sep 2006, 07:05

samuel wrote:
SLMOMMA wrote:Everyone has skeletons, now Im NOT saying that if he did that it was ok, of course its not, I love animals. But evryone does at least one bad thing in there life, now, just think about it.......at least he wasnt out raping or murdering. I dont believe he deserves to live that life. Its not a life at all. I dont think I will "play god" and be his judge and jury.
Let's see, you love animals but you think that someone who tapes a shelter dogs mouth shut so another dog can rip it apart should be forgiven? You think someone whose hobby was dog fighting is an OK guy? You obviously DON'T love animals. Sure you may think they're cute, but that's as far as it goes with a person like yourself. Stick to stuffed teddy bears and rearing your brood of crack babies. I thought edeescam was stupid but man oh man, you have proved that there is a level of intelligence on this board even lower than I could have imagined!

What a low life you are Samuel - you obviously have the brain the size of a peanut, do everyone a favour a don't post anymore of your "wisdom" please - it's f**k wits like you that cause people to leave this place.

The G-man.

Re: The G-man.