BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Joyce vs. Chisora

[Ruthless-RKO]

Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 22(14) 0 0 - next fight: 21.12.2024 vs. Tyson Fury - 34(24) 1(0) 1 - (#2)

2. Tyson Fury - 34(24) 1(0) 1 - next fight: 21.12.2024 vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 22(14) 0 0 - ()

3. Anthony Joshua - 28(25) 3(1) 0 - next fight: 21.09.2024 vs. Daniel Dubois - 21(20) 2(2) 0 - (#6)

4. Joseph Parker - 35(23) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Zhilei Zhang - 25(22) 2(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

6. Daniel Dubois - 21(20) 2(2) 0 - next fight: 21.09.2024 vs. Anthony Joshua - 28(25) 3(1) 0 - (#3)

7. Agit Kabayel - 25(17) 0(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Joe Joyce - 16(15) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Filip Hrgovic - 17(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Martin Bakole - 20(15) 1(1) 0 - next fight: 03.08.2024 vs. Jared Anderson - 17(15) 0 0 - (#12)

11. Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Jared Anderson - 17(15) 0 0 - next fight: 03.08.2024 vs. Martin Bakole - 20(15) 1(1) 0 - (#10)

13. Efe Ajagba - 20(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Otto Wallin - 27(15) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. VACANT
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Question - How are the rankings affected after Joyce's upset loss to unranked Chisora?

If anyone wants to vote on Wallin's recent 1st round KO as well, feel free.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[margaret thatcher]

del chisora, the man with 9 lives

[KiwiRider]

Hate to say it, but Chisora deserves to be on our list.
His three most recent wins are Pulev, Washington and Joe Joyce. That's better than all Ajagba has done so I suggest Del takes his place at 13 and those two move down thus Wallin filling the #15 spot.
As for Joyce
To be dropped and clearly out pointed by antique Del Boy, I suggest moving him down to #12, one spot higher than Chisora.

Joyce #12
Chisora #13

[Perkin Warbeck]

Neither Joyce and Chisora looked good today.

Joyce - 15
Chisora - 14

Others that Joyce was ahead of, up one

[tiny_acres]

Chisora is a warrior. But he is 3-4 since 2020.
I vote both out.

[KiwiRider]

If anyone missed the fight and wants to vote, here is a 7 minute highlights package which is a lot more watchable than the whole ten rounds where the action slowed as they did.

[George_Jones88]

Joyce - 15
Chisora - 14

[joshj909]

I don't even know what to do here

Chisora #9
Joyce #10

Both Chisora and Joyce should retire as they are stinking up our list.

1. Usyk
2. Parker
3. Zhang
4. Dubois
5. Kabayel
6. Joshua
7. Hrgovic
8. Fury
9. Chisora
10. Joyce
11. Bakole
12. Makhmudov
13. Ajagba
14. Anderson
15. Wallin

[Ruthless-RKO]

Chisora gonna still fight two more times I think.

But we know he’s not gonna contend for a world title again.

That’s what’s against me putting him in.

He can fill the vacant spot yes, but other than that. He probably lose the next fight and he’s out again.

Gotta say, he’s been consistent though and his descent wins haven’t been bad, but then he’s had losses too.

[ironbeard]

14. Chisora
15. Joyce

[Thomastearns]

14. Chisora
15. Joyce

Joe needs a change of trainer asap or it's time to quit.

At times, watching the middle rounds, I couldn't help but think that the fight was a fairly good argument as to why boxing should be banned.

Crude slugging like that might appeal to some, but it's certainly not the "sweet science".

Derek certainly dug deep last night, he had to, but Joe was unrecognisable from the Dubois and Parker fights. I was hoping that the Kash Ali fiasco was a one off against an awkward opponent - it wasn't.

I love Joe's attitude, and the way he handled himself post fight, but FFS get a better trainer Joe.

I'm begging you.

Right now, neither of them are top 10.

[cpx2]

Chisora 14
Joyce 15

Everyone else previously below Joyce up one, including Wallin.

[KiwiRider]

14. Chisora
15. Joyce

Joe needs a change of trainer asap or it's time to quit.

At times, watching the middle rounds, I couldn't help but think that the fight was a fairly good argument as to why boxing should be banned.

Crude slugging like that might appeal to some, but it's certainly not the "sweet science".

Derek certainly dug deep last night, he had to, but Joe was unrecognisable from the Dubois and Parker fights. I was hoping that the Kash Ali fiasco was a one off against an awkward opponent - it wasn't.

I love Joe's attitude, and the way he handled himself post fight, but FFS get a better trainer Joe.

I'm begging you.

Right now, neither of them are top 10.

He's super old, a change in trainer probably isn't going to do much. He knows his defense is leaky, but he got away with it in the big glove side, and for a little while in the pros. But now his jaw is cracked and he is staring down at 40...

[gregregegg]

Chisora to 9. (insane yes, but shit, ay)

Joyce to 14 (just holding on with old results. at least he is still fighting challanges)

Wallin to 15. (fighting fights that shouldent be sanctioned).

[ironbeard]

14. Chisora
15. Joyce

Joe needs a change of trainer asap or it's time to quit.

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At times, watching the middle rounds, I couldn't help but think that the fight was a fairly good argument as to why boxing should be banned.

Crude slugging like that might appeal to some, but it's certainly not the "sweet science".

Derek certainly dug deep last night, he had to, but Joe was unrecognisable from the Dubois and Parker fights. I was hoping that the Kash Ali fiasco was a one off against an awkward opponent - it wasn't.

I love Joe's attitude, and the way he handled himself post fight, but FFS get a better trainer Joe.

I'm begging you.

Right now, neither of them are top 10.

Absolutely on the money with the bold.

They should both retire, but they are big ol’ fightin’ dogs, and it is who they are.

[Finkel]

Wallin did as expected in a nothing fight. I would just keep him where he is.

Joyce v Chisora? Gave Joyce the benefit of the doubt against Kash Ali, but he is done as a contender now. It just seems Chisora is marginally less shot than he looked against Washington. This was no great performance though.

I would say neither should be ranked.
Wallin #13
#14 empty
#15 empty

[Finkel]

I've seen some say Joyce, just needs to change coach and he make a come back. I don't know man. What defence he did have, his reaction time was just so slow. Like Chisora is winging in punches, and Joyce was lethargically trying to lift his gloves to block the shot.

Chisora has always been thee GateKeeper to the top 10-15. But at 40 years old, he is still a solid gate keeper just at a lower level to what he once was. I just can't see a younger hungry contender not beating both these guys.

Maybe they are #14 and #15 by default.

How do people see them doing against the likes of
Andy Ruiz
Jerrel Miller
Wardley
Clark
Itauma

That's 5 names not in our top 15

Think father time has just finally caught up with a lot of the division

[gregregegg]

I would still love to watch Joyce vs Whyte or Joyce vs big baby or Joyce vs wallin. But outside of that I struggle to get excited by him now…

Guess he could have a crack at British again if he really wanted it.

he isn’t the type of guy that I would prospect in with, so that rout is gone..

[CMCanavessi]

I'll wait for this weekend's fights to have a better opinion on all these fighters.

[gregregegg]

Wish real talents got into there carrers earlier. But sad that of the top 15 only 2 are under 30.

[HomicideHenry]

Keep the ratings as is.

I like Chisora but beating Washington and twice beaten Joyce in my view doesn't put him back into the top 15. Top 20 maybe but not the top 15.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

[KiwiRider]

Keep the ratings as is.

I like Chisora but beating Washington and twice beaten Joyce in my view doesn't put him back into the top 15. Top 20 maybe but not the top 15.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

It was Pulev, then a loss to Fury, then Washington, then Joyce.
I get what your saying Henry, but those 3 recent wins are actually good when your talking about the guys who are #10-15 in our list.

[HomicideHenry]

Keep the ratings as is.

I like Chisora but beating Washington and twice beaten Joyce in my view doesn't put him back into the top 15. Top 20 maybe but not the top 15.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

It was Pulev, then a loss to Fury, then Washington, then Joyce.
I get what your saying Henry, but those 3 recent wins are actually good when your talking about the guys who are #10-15 in our list.

True, but considering his age and him wanting Whyte next (another heavyweight in limbo) I think it's more important rewarding heavyweights who are doing meaningful and/or consequential matches.

I mean can you see him facing for the title again? He was essentially gifted the Fury title shot to begin with. I can't see him facing the Fury-Usyk 2 winner or the Joshua-Dubois winner. Who would be next after Whyte if Chisora could win? Parker? Ruiz? Surely by that time his career would effectively be over with unless he wanted to cash out against Ngannou.

If he were to be let in let him be #15 so it doesn't interfere with contenders with possible championship fights in their future.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

[gregregegg]

Keep the ratings as is.

I like Chisora but beating Washington and twice beaten Joyce in my view doesn't put him back into the top 15. Top 20 maybe but not the top 15.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

It was Pulev, then a loss to Fury, then Washington, then Joyce.
I get what your saying Henry, but those 3 recent wins are actually good when your talking about the guys who are #10-15 in our list.

True, but considering his age and him wanting Whyte next (another heavyweight in limbo) I think it's more important rewarding heavyweights who are doing meaningful and/or consequential matches.

I mean can you see him facing for the title again? He was essentially gifted the Fury title shot to begin with. I can't see him facing the Fury-Usyk 2 winner or the Joshua-Dubois winner. Who would be next after Whyte if Chisora could win? Parker? Ruiz? Surely by that time his career would effectively be over with unless he wanted to cash out against Ngannou.

If he were to be let in let him be #15 so it doesn't interfere with contenders with possible championship fights in their future.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

“More important to reward heavyweights in meaningfull/consequential matches”…

Chis just beat a guy in our top 10…. 3 days ago…

Wallin has litraly never done that. Actualy most of the people on this list have never done that.

Has wallin beat a legit top 25? A legit top 50 (I defiantly had gassiev top 50 but given his nothing at heavyweight and huge layoffs it was at least a bit controversial…)