BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Bakole / Anderson / Miller / Ruiz

[Ruthless-RKO]

Current ranking:
Oleksandr Usyk - 22(14) 0 0 - next fight: 21.12.2024 vs. Tyson Fury - 34(24) 1(0) 1 - (#2)

2. Tyson Fury - 34(24) 1(0) 1 - next fight: 21.12.2024 vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 22(14) 0 0 - ()

3. Anthony Joshua - 28(25) 3(1) 0 - next fight: 21.09.2024 vs. Daniel Dubois - 21(20) 2(2) 0 - (#6)

4. Joseph Parker - 35(23) 3(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

5. Zhilei Zhang - 25(22) 2(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

6. Daniel Dubois - 21(20) 2(2) 0 - next fight: 21.09.2024 vs. Anthony Joshua - 28(25) 3(1) 0 - (#3)

7. Agit Kabayel - 25(17) 0(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

8. Filip Hrgovic - 17(14) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Martin Bakole - 21(16) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

10. Frank Sanchez - 24(17) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

11. Jared Anderson - 17(15) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

12. Efe Ajagba - 20(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Dereck Chisora - 35(23) 13(4) 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Otto Wallin - 27(15) 2(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

15. Joe Joyce - 16(15) 3(2) 0 - next fight: TBA
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Question: How are the rankings of Bakole, Anderson, Miller and Ruiz affected by last weekends results?

Bakole tko Anderson
Miller majority draw Ruiz

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To make things easier for me.. have you're reasons by all means,. But when giving me your rank update, please make it clear and try to copy the format below.

Bakole to 4
Anderson to 15
Miller to 12
Ruiz stays out

^^ this is just an example.

Thank you

[margaret thatcher]

anderson out
bakole to 7
miller to 15
ruiz unranked


anderson out - beaten too convincgly without a deep enough resume to fall back on. bakole is good but not good enough to cut anderson slack based on fighting a tough opponent.

bakole to 7 - very nice win that gets him a boost, although for me dubs stopping hrg and miller (both potentially ranked by the end of this) keeps him above

miller to 15 - should have gotten the win over ruiz. ruiz has been inactive but beating him is still pretty good in the division. joyce was awful vs chisora, has lost 3 of his last 4, and was poor in beating mediocre kash ali too.

ruiz - unranked. 1 win in the last 3 years and i thought he lost to miller. i want him to do more to renter

[Ruthless-RKO]

anderson out
bakole to 7
miller to 15
ruiz unranked


anderson out - beaten too convincgly without a deep enough resume to fall back on. bakole is good but not good enough to cut anderson slack based on fighting a tough opponent.

bakole to 7 - very nice win that gets him a boost, although for me dubs stopping hrg and miller (both potentially ranked by the end of this) keeps him above

miller to 15 - should have gotten the win over ruiz. ruiz has been inactive but beating him is still pretty good in the division. joyce was awful vs chisora, has lost 3 of his last 4, and was poor in beating mediocre kash ali too.

ruiz - unranked. 1 win in the last 3 years and i thought he lost to miller. i want him to do more to renter

So anderson out moves joyce to 14, then miller in at 15? or miller 14 and joyce stays at 15?

[margaret thatcher]

id vote joyce out tbh, chisora was so dreadful vs gerald washington and i wanted him to retire then, and yet even he beat joyce clearly and knocked him down. i think joe is fading hard unfortunetly.

rankings are fluid and when a boxers form changes dramatically the past only gets them so far

[koordyner]

Bakole to 4
Anderson to 14
Miller to 15
Joyce and Ruiz out

[KiwiRider]

Bakole to 4
Anderson to 14
Miller to 15
Joyce and Ruiz out

Bakole ahead of Parker?
Parker has a much deeper resume surely?

[Ruthless-RKO]

id vote joyce out tbh, chisora was so dreadful vs gerald washington and i wanted him to retire then, and yet even he beat joyce clearly and knocked him down. i think joe is fading hard unfortunetly.

rankings are fluid and when a boxers form changes dramatically the past only gets them so far

that with heavyweights. One fight they'll win, the next can lose..

I guess we gotta take them as, you're only as good as your last fight?

If now Hunter re-enters, we not gonna rank him above Bakole, because he beat him 2018

[joshj909]

Anderson down to 14
Bakole up to 8
Ruiz stays out
Miller stays out

I think my rankings are the messiest they've ever been. Some of these guys are failing upwards due to aging wins and relative inactivity.
1. Usyk
2. Parker
3. Fury
4. Joshua
5. Zhang
6. Dubois
7. Kabayel
8. Bakole
9. Chisora
10. Wallin
11. Joyce
12. Hrgovic
13. Ajagba
14. Pero
15. Anderson

[margaret thatcher]

i assume you mean lenier pero? i beg of you man, get him out of there. the fight vs victor faust was a saddening display from both given they were high level amateurs. i was so let down by it. pero looked dreadful until coming from behind late over glass body vik. there's no sign his career is going anywhere either, been back to nobodies since that fight and while 32 isnt an old hw its getting a bit late to have so little on his resume

incidentally frazier clarke and hrgovic both ko'd him in the ams, looks like he was cruiser for a while there (well its called heavyweight ) then beefed up and wasnt as durable vs bigger guys

his bro denier is only 24 and has more hope as a prospect

[cpx2]

Bakole 8
Miller 14
Ruiz 15
Anderson OUT

Joyce out, everyone else currently 12-14 up one.

[joshj909]

i assume you mean lenier pero? i beg of you man, get him out of there. the fight vs victor faust was a saddening display from both given they were high level amateurs. i was so let down by it. pero looked dreadful until coming from behind late over glass body vik. there's no sign his career is going anywhere either, been back to nobodies since that fight and while 32 isnt an old hw its getting a bit late to have so little on his resume

incidentally frazier clarke and hrgovic both ko'd him in the ams, looks like he was cruiser for a while there (well its called heavyweight ) then beefed up and wasnt as durable vs bigger guys

his bro denier is only 24 and has more hope as a prospect

His win over Vykhryst is still one of the better wins in the past 2 years of the guys ranked outside the top 10. He doesn't deserve it but neither does anyone else. Everyone else's wins are aging poorly or just aging too much. These are their most relevant wins since after around September 2022 which I've used as my cut off point because I can't see any of them fighting anyone relevant again before September this year and I also don't want to have to reshuffle them all again before then

Chisora - Joyce
Wallin - Gassiev
Joyce - Kash Ali
Hrgovic - McKean
Ajagba - Shaw, Kossobutskiy*, Goodall, Vianello
Pero - Vykhryst
Huni - Lerena, Tabiti,
Wardley - Adeleye, Clarke (Draw)
Clarke - Wardley (Draw)
Makhmudov - Akpejiori
Sánchez - Fa
Hunter - Chaney
Ruiz - Miller (Draw)
Whyte - Franklin
Miller - Ruiz (Draw), Browne
Gassiev - Balogun
Pulev - None
Wilder - Helenius
Franklin - None
Anderson - Merhy, Arias, Martin

None stand out as way more deserving than others. Some of them, such as Joyce, are only still ranked in my top 15 due to older wins but with less credit being given to it.

[ironbeard]

Bakole - 8
Anderson - 12
Miller - 13
Ruiz - 14

I can’t see Bakole moving up above anyone but Hrgs at this point. Nice win but he needs to beat someone ahead of him.

Anderson got clipped but I cannot see him dropping below the Chisora and Joyce chins at this point.

Miller and Ruiz handle Chisora and Joyce.

Wallin and Joyce need to beat Anderson, Miller, Ruiz, Chisora or above to get back in.

[Rob3_142]

Bakole to 8
Anderson to 13
Miller stays out
Ruiz stays out

Bakole - good enough result / performance to jump above Hrgovic, but not ahead of Kabayel.

Anderson - a really concerning performance, and based on recent performance, drops below Derek. Can't put him below Wallin or Joyce.

Miller - a draw against an inactive Ruiz isn't a strong argument for reinstatement.

Ruiz - same with Ruiz, lack of activity and declining performance levels against last two opponents.

[koordyner]

Bakole to 4
Anderson to 14
Miller to 15
Joyce and Ruiz out

Bakole ahead of Parker?
Parker has a much deeper resume surely?

The only solid opponent he has won with in recent years is Zhilei. And neither of them showed off in that fight. Zhilei drew with Forrest and his best wins were against spiraling down stars like Joyce and Wilder. From what i see from Bakole, I believe he belongs to current heavyweight top. With both Parker and Zhilei I'd use some win against more unquestionable opponent in order to say the same.
But i would consider putting Kabayel and Dubois ahead of Bakole, especially after Miller's fight with Ruiz.

[joshj909]

Bakole to 4
Anderson to 14
Miller to 15
Joyce and Ruiz out

Bakole ahead of Parker?
Parker has a much deeper resume surely?

The only solid opponent he has won with in recent years is Zhilei. And neither of them showed off in that fight. Zhilei drew with Forrest and his best wins were against spiraling down stars like Joyce and Wilder. From what i see from Bakole, I believe he belongs to current heavyweight top. With both Parker and Zhilei I'd use some win against more unquestionable opponent in order to say the same.
But i would consider putting Kabayel and Dubois ahead of Bakole, especially after Miller's fight with Ruiz.

Zhang, who Parker beat, drew against Forrest. Hunter, who beat Bakole, drew against Forrest. We can all expose holes in records like that...

Zhang's best wins are against spiraling stars such as Joyce and Wilder, whereas Anderson's best wins against spiraling "stars" such as Charles Martin and George Arias.

I think you're inflating Bakole's record of untested Anderson, 42 year old Takam and exposed Yoka. Parker and Zhang's opponents have way less questions surrounding them than Bakole's.

[tiny_acres]

Can we all agree that the heavyweight division is a mess out side the top 4?
Bakole upto #8
Miller Ruiz and Anderson OUT OUT OUT

[KiwiRider]

Can we all agree that the heavyweight division is a mess out side the top 4?
Bakole upto #8
Miller Ruiz and Anderson OUT OUT OUT

Amen to that
We thought the new era of Saudi money would clear things up a bit.
If anything, it's made it worse

[Perkin Warbeck]

Anderson out
Bakole to 7
Miller to 15
Ruiz unranked

Everybody below Anderson up one spot.

[tiny_acres]

Can we all agree that the heavyweight division is a mess out side the top 4?
Bakole upto #8
Miller Ruiz and Anderson OUT OUT OUT

Amen to that
We thought the new era of Saudi money would clear things up a bit.
If anything, it's made it worse

You really would think with the Saudis setting up these fights that we would get a clearer picture. All it has done is make me think the division is crappier than I thought it was

[koordyner]

Bakole ahead of Parker?
Parker has a much deeper resume surely?

The only solid opponent he has won with in recent years is Zhilei. And neither of them showed off in that fight. Zhilei drew with Forrest and his best wins were against spiraling down stars like Joyce and Wilder. From what i see from Bakole, I believe he belongs to current heavyweight top. With both Parker and Zhilei I'd use some win against more unquestionable opponent in order to say the same.
But i would consider putting Kabayel and Dubois ahead of Bakole, especially after Miller's fight with Ruiz.

Zhang, who Parker beat, drew against Forrest. Hunter, who beat Bakole, drew against Forrest. We can all expose holes in records like that...

Zhang's best wins are against spiraling stars such as Joyce and Wilder, whereas Anderson's best wins against spiraling "stars" such as Charles Martin and George Arias.

I think you're inflating Bakole's record of untested Anderson, 42 year old Takam and exposed Yoka. Parker and Zhang's opponents have way less questions surrounding them than Bakole's.

Hunter has a lot of other fights to back up his skills. Therefore i consider his fight with Forrest to be only a slip. I don't think Bakole lost to the same Hunter, that drew with Forrest. For Parker i also don't count his even fight with Junior Fa, with which average fighters are mopping floor nowadays. Perhaps Zhang's fight with Forrest was also a slip but we have less proofs for that. At least that's how i interpret this.
I think either way Anderson and Bakole had more "stable" opponents, less spiralling down.
We can get into details like this but i think i can explain you my point of view another way.
I was excited about fights Bakole-Anderson, Kabayel-Sanchez...
I wasn't about fights Zhilei-Parker, Zhilei-Wilder...
More or less i allready explained why.
I rank as if i would advise some promoter or some turki alalshik what matchmaking to make. Parker, Wilder, Zhang all lost some fights and now should make space, fight someone from lesser rank. Instead they are like club that looses matches but refuses to move to weaker league, keeping place in premier league, fighting between each other. Right now Zhilei wants to fight Chisora, Parker called out Whyte. Adding those 2 we can get upto 7 additional fights like this. In economy there is such a term like 'bubble'. That's how I would describe what we'll get following this path. Therefore i'm getting more excited over fights of those "fresher" opponents and therefore I rank them higher. They have more credibility for me. Later People complain that we have the same faces in heavyweight for years and so on. Of course that's only my opinion, you can have yours.
But i'll gladly read if for some reason you disagree with me.

[Finkel]

I'm giving leeway to Ruiz Jr as he has been on the outside looking in ever since beating Ortiz. He was #6 when we dropped him for inactivity (the PBC curse). That and his hand looked pretty bad when the wraps came off against Miller.

Bakole = 8
Miller = 10
Ruiz = 11

[Ruthless-RKO]

I'm giving leeway to Ruiz Jr as he has been on the outside looking in ever since beating Ortiz. He was #6 when we dropped him for inactivity (the PBC curse). That and his hand looked pretty bad when the wraps came off against Miller.

Bakole = 8
Miller = 10
Ruiz = 11

Anderson out?

[gregregegg]

Bakole to 8

Anderson out

Miller to 15

[Finkel]

I'm giving leeway to Ruiz Jr as he has been on the outside looking in ever since beating Ortiz. He was #6 when we dropped him for inactivity (the PBC curse). That and his hand looked pretty bad when the wraps came off against Miller.

Bakole = 8
Miller = 10
Ruiz = 11

Anderson out?

Ah, I forgot that one.
Yes, Anderson = Out
Thanks

[pound per pound]

Anderson out.

Ruiz get a heck out.

Miller get out. Maybe he could be ranked in the over 300 pound division.

Bakloe move up a few.

My $.02