WITTER WBC CHAMP - YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

PompeyScot · Post by **PompeyScot** » 16 Sep 2006, 04:07

KO Artist wrote: Why are you rating the WBC above other bodies, they are just a label, for TV companies, the product of corrupt organisations.

The WBC title is shit, just like the rest.

Witter, who has been unimpressive in his last two fights fought for the VACANT WBC title against a guy who lost his last three major fights.

The fact that the WBC had them rated 1 & 2 shows how bent and worthless the WBC are.

Ive been saying for years that a panel of (knowledgeable) writers from Newspapers etc should form a panel and meet monthly.

They should decide the ratings one panel, an independent one at that.

I don't disagree with any of that but, let's face it, the WBC still carries a certain respect amongst the boxing world at large, just for the very fact it's the WBC title. As I said in my post, people have been crying out for ages for a fighter to fight for a 'proper' world title, so why then when one fighter does that, and wins it, does his achievement still come in for criticism? What exactly does a fighter have to do nowadays?

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 16 Sep 2006, 04:08

KO Artist wrote:
PompeyScot wrote:Jeez, I don't post very often but read the forum nearly every day, but had to contribute to this.

I can't believe that people are having a go at Witter because of the way he won a WBC World title! It used to be a matter of any fighter who did that would be praised to the high heavens, no matter what, has the spread of various world titles had that big an effect?

I really think you're doing Witter a disservice James, and comparing how he beat Corley to the way Mayweather did is complete madness. Mayweather is the P4P number one, and Witter is, and never will be, nowhere near that. Not many fighters will be. To compare the two is laughable.

Sure, Witter wasn't pretty, but he was damn effective. The bottom line is he won a major world title, outboxed a good American fighter who had only lost to top fighters, won by a wide points margin and had Corley in trouble at times during the fight, it's not as if he danced and ran all night.

I just wish some people would put their dislike of Witter aside for one moment to celebrate a British world title win. For too long we've had people having a go at fighters for settling for WBU and WBO rubbish. Well, we've got a fighter last night who wanted a major title and went out and got one, yet people are still having a go at him. Seeing Witter during his interview clutching the belt and constantly looking at it was a great sight. I've never been a massive Witter fan myself but can appreciate the fight he fought last night, but it's clear that there's some people in this thread who will just refuse to give him any credit at all. He's British, he's a major world title holder, I say well done Junior.
Why are you rating the WBC above other bodies, they are just a label, for TV companies, the product of corrupt organisations.

The WBC title is shit, just like the rest.

Witter, who has been unimpressive in his last two fights fought for the VACANT WBC title against a guy who lost his last three major fights.

The fact that the WBC had them rated 1 & 2 shows how bent and worthless the WBC are.

Ive been saying for years that a panel of (knowledgeable) writers from Newspapers etc should form a panel and meet monthly.

They should decide the ratings one panel, an independent one at that.

Who exactly is better at 140 right now than Corley? Maybe Hatton/Mbaiye/harris and thats pretty much it Corley is top5 at 140, and Witter shut him out.

FACT CORLEY WAS COTTO AND MAYWEATHERS BEST OPPONENT AT 140. Both are now at 147 fighting for titles.

Lets not forget Hatton ducked Corley, by having himself removed from the WBO mandotary spot so he wouldnt have to fight Corley

Foggy · Post by **Foggy** » 16 Sep 2006, 04:14

The only way i see an Hatton - Witter fight come off is if its for all 3 belts (WBC,WBA,IBF). Ive a feeling that sports netwrok might try & make Witter - M'Baye then you've gotta say that Hatton would look at either of these 2 fighters once Rick gets his IBF belt back. If the Witter - Hatton fight came off it would be great for British boxing, if Hatton - M'baye i think Mr Warren would be pleased to say the least, maybe an opportunity to get one over Fight Academy again.

emma · Post by **emma** » 16 Sep 2006, 04:41

Ha thats egg on your face to you Mr E and a £110 LOSS

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 16 Sep 2006, 04:57

"Job done" as they say. An improvement on recent performances in parts, but some of the mid-rounds he seemed to lose some of the impotus. (sp?)

Any, a new British world champ, no denying that. Well done to him. Here's hoping for some great world title fights and great world title performances to match.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 16 Sep 2006, 05:27

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:Witter does have a good defense. He's very hard to nail. Like I say, against someone who opens up more, he's more likely to land those very surprising counter shots. With opponents coming at him the punches will be twice as powerful. The question is can he last the pace against a physical fighter?

This fight was frustrating to watch. But Corley took so few chances as he knew what would happen.

Hatton might be going head first into 2 or 3 big fights, but we won't see much more of him. I get the feeling Witter's going to be around for a while. He cling onto that belt for dear life and won't allow himself to get out of shape like some. It's good that undervalued fighters whose face doesn't fit can get there in the end.

Witter's body of work is starting to look decent. Kotelnik, N'dou and Corley are all good fighters.
Indeed, Witter deserved his title shot, and he looks like he is still in shape.

Witter isn't that hard to hit though. N'dou it him PLENTY of times, as did Kotelnik. Witter uses his reflexes to avoid shots, the problem is, if he doesn't see the shot coming, he doesn't have a guard in place to block.

For me a good defence, is having your guard up, your chin tucked in and being able to ride shots.

Being elusive and having a good defence are two different things.

Witter is definetly elusive, but I wouldn't say he has a good defence, he has virtually no guard at all.
So Pernell Whitaker had no defense either? Because he did the same at time

James the Junior of last night is superior to theWitter of Ndou or Kotelnik. He got hit in those 2 fights after he ran out of steam (because of lounging in and switching every 5seconds). Against Corley he didnt get tagged clean once.

Remember against pressure fighters Witter will get tons of countering opportunities. Against a Ricky Hatton that rushes in, that could spell a KO or it could mean he taes all the early rounds.

I thought Witter was past it and couldnt fight for more than 5rounds, I was wrong. Now I say he counters Hattons head off and stops him (before I get jumped on I'm not saying Hattons worse than Corley it'll just give Junior more countering opportunities)

Witter has a pretty surprising right hook. If Collazo can surprise Hatton with that shot, if Magee can drop him with it...

I'm not saying that Witter would knock him out, & I don't know who'd win, but Witter will be able to hit Hatton.

Witter definitely has stamina. Though it was fought at a very low pace, these kind of chess matches where neither is willing to take a punch require a lot of concentration, and in their way, burn up energy. Takes a lot of nerve as well to keep that kind of focus, so I see Witter's win in the positive.

I'm surprised Corley didn't take more chances. Like when he fought Mayweather he just launched himself at the guy. He wasn't willing to do that versus Witter, especially not after nearly getting dropped in the 5th. Resigned himself to the defeat and then talked cliched We Wuz Robbed waffle afterward.

JimJim · Post by **JimJim** » 16 Sep 2006, 05:54

Congrats to Witter, he did what he had to do. Corley has been a quality fighter and Witter would have had regrets for the rest of his days if he'd woken up this morning having blown his second and final world title opportunity. It wasn't pretty but he did what he had to do and won clearly.

Witter has won the British, Commonwealth, European and now WBC championships. Those are proper titles that you can show to your grandkids in years to come, not some tinpot WBU intecontinental bauble that was one of the sports' unofficial in-jokes.

Witter's next challengers in the WBC rankings are Harris, N'Dou and Lazcano, followed by a bunch of unknowns. He's got the beating of that trio and I hope he makes some serious money now.

jimcook · Post by **jimcook** » 16 Sep 2006, 06:33

ok witter has done the business,but his achievement should be kept in perspective.cotto walked through corely almost two years ago.witter has certainly proved that he belongs at the highest level,now he needs to take on and beat some of the divisions tougher names. hes proved he deserves it so why not hatton?witter will earn money either way so its not as if hatton will be giving him a payday.would be a big big fight,both british,both unbeaten for years,bit of needle,bundles of cash.....
then put the winner in with mayweather,or cotto. its almost perfect

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 16 Sep 2006, 06:45

jimcook wrote:ok witter has done the business,but his achievement should be kept in perspective.cotto walked through corely almost two years ago.witter has certainly proved that he belongs at the highest level,now he needs to take on and beat some of the divisions tougher names. hes proved he deserves it so why not hatton?witter will earn money either way so its not as if hatton will be giving him a payday.would be a big big fight,both british,both unbeaten for years,bit of needle,bundles of cash.....
then put the winner in with mayweather,or cotto. its almost perfect

Corley did have Cotto - who outweighed him by about 15 pounds fight night - looking drunk. That puts it into some perspective. Witter's style is 1) do not allow yourself to get caught like that, 2) infuriate the hell out of the other guy and only after 1 and 2, 3) hit the guy by using your superior speed and fluidity. Not pretty, but pretty reliable and effective.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 16 Sep 2006, 07:03

PompeyScot wrote:
KO Artist wrote: Why are you rating the WBC above other bodies, they are just a label, for TV companies, the product of corrupt organisations.

The WBC title is shit, just like the rest.

Witter, who has been unimpressive in his last two fights fought for the VACANT WBC title against a guy who lost his last three major fights.

The fact that the WBC had them rated 1 & 2 shows how bent and worthless the WBC are.

Ive been saying for years that a panel of (knowledgeable) writers from Newspapers etc should form a panel and meet monthly.

They should decide the ratings one panel, an independent one at that.
I don't disagree with any of that but, let's face it, the WBC still carries a certain respect amongst the boxing world at large, just for the very fact it's the WBC title. As I said in my post, people have been crying out for ages for a fighter to fight for a 'proper' world title, so why then when one fighter does that, and wins it, does his achievement still come in for criticism? What exactly does a fighter have to do nowadays?

C'mon KO, all governing bodies are corrupt (or at the very least money motivated) but I know if I was a pro boxer, the WBC is the one I would most want to strap around my waste...it has history and so many greats have held that green belt.

We knock fighters for calling themselves 'world' champs after picking up wbu and wbf belts etc but lets give Witter props and respect for picking up the WBC crown. Vacant title or not, he did the business against a well known yank who has competed with the divisions elite.

The negative outpourings on here have disappointed me slightly. We all like to moan about the state of the game, but lets also praise one of our own on a job well done. (the fight wasnt the greatest spectacle, but I enjoyed watching it and against a different style Witter will look far more exciting/tidy).

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 16 Sep 2006, 07:54

viciousmaussa wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote: Indeed, Witter deserved his title shot, and he looks like he is still in shape.

Witter isn't that hard to hit though. N'dou it him PLENTY of times, as did Kotelnik. Witter uses his reflexes to avoid shots, the problem is, if he doesn't see the shot coming, he doesn't have a guard in place to block.

For me a good defence, is having your guard up, your chin tucked in and being able to ride shots.

Being elusive and having a good defence are two different things.

Witter is definetly elusive, but I wouldn't say he has a good defence, he has virtually no guard at all.
So Pernell Whitaker had no defense either? Because he did the same at time

James the Junior of last night is superior to theWitter of Ndou or Kotelnik. He got hit in those 2 fights after he ran out of steam (because of lounging in and switching every 5seconds). Against Corley he didnt get tagged clean once.

Remember against pressure fighters Witter will get tons of countering opportunities. Against a Ricky Hatton that rushes in, that could spell a KO or it could mean he taes all the early rounds.

I thought Witter was past it and couldnt fight for more than 5rounds, I was wrong. Now I say he counters Hattons head off and stops him (before I get jumped on I'm not saying Hattons worse than Corley it'll just give Junior more countering opportunities)
Witter has a pretty surprising right hook. If Collazo can surprise Hatton with that shot, if Magee can drop him with it...

I'm not saying that Witter would knock him out, & I don't know who'd win, but Witter will be able to hit Hatton.

Witter definitely has stamina. Though it was fought at a very low pace, these kind of chess matches where neither is willing to take a punch require a lot of concentration, and in their way, burn up energy. Takes a lot of nerve as well to keep that kind of focus, so I see Witter's win in the positive.

I'm surprised Corley didn't take more chances. Like when he fought Mayweather he just launched himself at the guy. He wasn't willing to do that versus Witter, especially not after nearly getting dropped in the 5th. Resigned himself to the defeat and then talked cliched We Wuz Robbed waffle afterward.

Witter is like Eubank, he'll look boring against a counter puncher but exciting against a pressure fighter. Hatton is a pressure fighter, like Benn, and Hatton-Witter would bring fireworks. Witter counter punching could take Hatton apart and thats what I'd expect if it happens now.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 16 Sep 2006, 08:05

Well done to Junior Witter finally getting a World Title. I had him a 118-110 winner although some of the rounds were very close.

Not the best of fights to watch but entertaing in it's own strangr way, although I must admit Witters 'statue pose' started to annoy me after a while.

On another note it was good to see Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank at ringside. I laughed when the camera zoomed in on Benn and Darkie? said something like "and there is Nigel Benn, still looks in great shape, and there's Chris Eubank............. he was in some good fights"

Obviously trying not to mention Eubanks has put on a gew pounds.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 16 Sep 2006, 08:23

Hennessy has that deal with Golden Boy, so Witter could likely get some big enough fights.

states · Post by **states** » 16 Sep 2006, 08:26

Max Molyneux wrote:Hennessy has that deal with Golden Boy, so Witter could likely get some big enough fights.

I'll believe that deal when I see it.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 16 Sep 2006, 08:40

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: So Pernell Whitaker had no defense either? Because he did the same at time

James the Junior of last night is superior to theWitter of Ndou or Kotelnik. He got hit in those 2 fights after he ran out of steam (because of lounging in and switching every 5seconds). Against Corley he didnt get tagged clean once.

Remember against pressure fighters Witter will get tons of countering opportunities. Against a Ricky Hatton that rushes in, that could spell a KO or it could mean he taes all the early rounds.

I thought Witter was past it and couldnt fight for more than 5rounds, I was wrong. Now I say he counters Hattons head off and stops him (before I get jumped on I'm not saying Hattons worse than Corley it'll just give Junior more countering opportunities)
Witter has a pretty surprising right hook. If Collazo can surprise Hatton with that shot, if Magee can drop him with it...

I'm not saying that Witter would knock him out, & I don't know who'd win, but Witter will be able to hit Hatton.

Witter definitely has stamina. Though it was fought at a very low pace, these kind of chess matches where neither is willing to take a punch require a lot of concentration, and in their way, burn up energy. Takes a lot of nerve as well to keep that kind of focus, so I see Witter's win in the positive.

I'm surprised Corley didn't take more chances. Like when he fought Mayweather he just launched himself at the guy. He wasn't willing to do that versus Witter, especially not after nearly getting dropped in the 5th. Resigned himself to the defeat and then talked cliched We Wuz Robbed waffle afterward.
Witter is like Eubank, he'll look boring against a counter puncher but exciting against a pressure fighter. Hatton is a pressure fighter, like Benn, and Hatton-Witter would bring fireworks. Witter counter punching could take Hatton apart and thats what I'd expect if it happens now.

I agree with that post generally PN (although not the outcome). I do think Hatton vs Witter will be a good fight..... Those who have seen Witter over the years know he is capable of putting on positive displays (and exciting fights) at times.

However, trouble is on his two world title opportunities the fights have stank.... The first time US TV took notice of Eubank was vs Benn.... All the times the US TV have taken notice of Witter is either when he has faced poor comp, or stank (unfortunately Witter vs Ndou didn't have much attention).

Whoever said Corley was Mayweather and Cotto's best opponents at 140. What about Gatti for Mayweather and Ricardo Torres is much more of a danger than Corley for Cotto. He was considered a safe opponent for both.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 16 Sep 2006, 08:47

PompeyScot wrote:
KO Artist wrote: Why are you rating the WBC above other bodies, they are just a label, for TV companies, the product of corrupt organisations.

The WBC title is shit, just like the rest.

Witter, who has been unimpressive in his last two fights fought for the VACANT WBC title against a guy who lost his last three major fights.

The fact that the WBC had them rated 1 & 2 shows how bent and worthless the WBC are.

Ive been saying for years that a panel of (knowledgeable) writers from Newspapers etc should form a panel and meet monthly.

They should decide the ratings one panel, an independent one at that.
I don't disagree with any of that but, let's face it, the WBC still carries a certain respect amongst the boxing world at large, just for the very fact it's the WBC title. As I said in my post, people have been crying out for ages for a fighter to fight for a 'proper' world title, so why then when one fighter does that, and wins it, does his achievement still come in for criticism? What exactly does a fighter have to do nowadays?

He has to beat the best. Witter has not done that.

In my book he is still a contender

PompeyScot · Post by **PompeyScot** » 16 Sep 2006, 09:08

KO Artist wrote:
He has to beat the best. Witter has not done that.

In my book he is still a contender

Brilliant reasoning, by that criteria most of the champions around at the moment are still contenders, give up the world titles now! I'm surprised that they didn't strip Tyson of the title after he beat Berbick!

bigynzing · Post by **bigynzing** » 16 Sep 2006, 09:14

Two average punchers looking for one big shot = UGLY, UGLY, UGLY...

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 16 Sep 2006, 09:19

PompeyScot wrote:
KO Artist wrote:
He has to beat the best. Witter has not done that.

In my book he is still a contender
Brilliant reasoning, by that criteria most of the champions around at the moment are still contenders, give up the world titles now! I'm surprised that they didn't strip Tyson of the title after he beat Berbick!

They put up with Tyson beacuse he was good to watch, was exciting, young and up and coming.

Witter is a 32 year old fencer who is very dull to watch

Lets get the Hatton fight on now, so Ricky can chase him round the ring and pummell him into a 5 or 6 round defeat.

PompeyScot · Post by **PompeyScot** » 16 Sep 2006, 09:35

KO Artist wrote: They put up with Tyson beacuse he was good to watch, was exciting, young and up and coming.

Witter is a 32 year old fencer who is very dull to watch

Lets get the Hatton fight on now, so Ricky can chase him round the ring and pummell him into a 5 or 6 round defeat.

Ah, it all becomes clear now

I brought up Tyson because your reasoning is that to be anything other than a contender, you have to beat the best fighter. Bringing up a more recent, and obviously relevant to you, example then, what about Hatton? Was Tszyu the 'best' around? Great fighter certainly, but inactive and obviously not as motivated as he once was. Is he then just a contender and not the champion a lot of people claim?

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 16 Sep 2006, 09:36

stujones wrote:[
Whoever said Corley was Mayweather and Cotto's best opponents at 140. What about Gatti for Mayweather and Ricardo Torres is much more of a danger than Corley for Cotto. He was considered a safe opponent for both.

Well Corley made things allot harder for Mayweather than Gatti did whos constant dropping of his hands and no head movement makes him the easiest target around. Don't let the Corley premature stoppage fool you, that was a tough fight for Cotto and if it wasn't stopped early Corley may have pulled off the shock.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 16 Sep 2006, 10:41

PompeyScot wrote:
KO Artist wrote: They put up with Tyson beacuse he was good to watch, was exciting, young and up and coming.

Witter is a 32 year old fencer who is very dull to watch

Lets get the Hatton fight on now, so Ricky can chase him round the ring and pummell him into a 5 or 6 round defeat.
Ah, it all becomes clear now

I brought up Tyson because your reasoning is that to be anything other than a contender, you have to beat the best fighter. Bringing up a more recent, and obviously relevant to you, example then, what about Hatton? Was Tszyu the 'best' around? Great fighter certainly, but inactive and obviously not as motivated as he once was. Is he then just a contender and not the champion a lot of people claim?

Tsyu was the best and universally recognised champion.

Despite his inactivity he battered Judah and Mitchell. Both fighters I feel were superior to Witter at 140.

Hatton is all wrong for Witter. He's is biting off more than he can chew

Witter cant hurt Hatton

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 16 Sep 2006, 10:47

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Listen, just because people have negative comments about the manner of the win, doesn't mean they have a personal dislike of Witter. If you took the time to read my piece over at Britishboxing.net, you will see that not only did I predict he would win this fight, but I think he deserves every success he gets after waiting so long for his title shot.

However, this fight serves to illustrate well partly why a fight with Hatton never came, and probably never will now and precisely why he waited so long to get his title shot. He got a title shot after his performance against N'dou which was an exciting performance where he put his man under pressure and hurt him.

Good luck to Junior, and I hope to see a lot more, but I hope it's a lot better to watch that this.

Well TBH the manner of Hattons victory with all the wrestling over Tyszu was hardly a great win, but he pulled it out all the same. But there was little critisism for Hatton.

This clash of styles was never going to be exciting. It doesnt mean a fighter isn't world class because the fighter isnt interesting. Look at Winky Wright and Bernard Hopkins ATGs but boring as they come

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 16 Sep 2006, 10:52

KO Artist wrote:[

He has to beat the best. Witter has not done that.

In my book he is still a contender

And thats why you'll never be published. Witter isn't the man (yet) but he is a proper champion/titlist. If Witter isn't a champ neither is anyone else in the sport other than Taylor/Baldomir/Hatton (and thats debatable)

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 16 Sep 2006, 10:56

KO Artist wrote: Tsyu was the best and universally recognised champion.

Despite his inactivity he battered Judah and Mitchell. Both fighters I feel were superior to Witter at 140.

Hatton is all wrong for Witter. He's is biting off more than he can chew

Witter cant hurt Hatton?

Tsyu was the best and universally recognised champion.

Despite his inactivity he battered Judah and Mitchell. Both fighters I feel were superior to Witter at 140.

Hatton is all wrong for Witter. He's is biting off more than he can chew

Witter cant hurt Hatton[/quote]

Witter can't hurt Hatton yet weaker punchers like Collazo, Tackie, Phillips all put Hatton on queer street?

Tsyzu was linear champ but the fact he was semi-retired and stripped but all of his win makes Tyszu and Hatton very disputedchamps at that time. More so when Hatton turned down 4 offers to fight the no1 in the division FMJ (before terms/money were discussed as mentioned by his dad).