Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua - 2020 OLD thread

[margaret thatcher]

wilder gonna ko aj in 30 seconds too lol

[si7dog7]

Hilarious reading back.
None of the trolls will admit how stupid they look.

I agree entirely Doofy

[Ruthless-RKO]

Offer will be made for 'huge' Tyson Fury-Anthony Joshua showdown

An offer will be made for Tyson Fury to fight Anthony Joshua, regardless of the outcome of Fury’s rematch with Oleksandr Usyk – as long as Joshua defeats Daniel Dubois.

Fury and Usyk fight again, for the WBA, WBO and WBC heavyweight titles, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia on December 21.

Usyk became the first to defeat the 36-year-old Fury when in May he earned a split decision. By the time they fight again, Joshua and Dubois will have contested Dubois’ IBF title at Wembley Stadium on September 21.

If the rematch between Fury and Usyk remains the most significant in the heavyweight division, a fight between Fury and Joshua, 34, has represented the biggest in British boxing for even longer.

Turki Alalshikh of the General Entertainment Authority is overseeing both Dubois-Joshua and Usyk-Fury II and, aware of the appeal of Fury-Joshua, told talkSPORT: “For the business, of course, it will be a huge fight if Joshua wins.

“His third time [winning] a world title and [after] the result of Usyk versus Fury it will be a huge fight. But you don’t know about the future. Imagine Tyson after the fight with Usyk wants to retire.

“I will give him the offer, but if he refuses, what can I do? First of all, Dubois has a very big chance and it is not easy. I think it is a difficult fight for Joshua and a dangerous fight for Joshua.

“If Usyk wins, still I want to see Fury versus Joshua if they accept. I will not try to do the third fight [between Usyk and Joshua] before having Fury versus Joshua.

“I think Joshua will win [against Dubois] but you don’t know. I picked Deontay Wilder against Joseph Parker and Zhilei Zhang, and he lost. This is boxing, especially the heavyweights.

“But I want to see Fury versus Joshua and the world wants to see Fury versus Joshua.”

Alalshikh’s plans will likely frustrate Ben Davison, the trainer of Joshua and former trainer of Fury who has been vocal about his desire for Joshua to fight Usyk for a third time, following two defeats.

The Saudi Arabian regardless has wider plans for boxing, which include attempting to reduce the cost of pay-per-views to viewers to less than £20 in the UK and less than $20 in the US, and also, ambitiously, to introduce a boxing league to challenge the “crazy” number of world titles in existence. There are 17 weight divisions, and four sanctioning bodies whose titles are recognised as “world titles”.

“We have a plan for the future to have something like a league,” he continued.

“We don’t discuss about the belts until now. But in my opinion around 68 world champions is a crazy number.”

[joshj909]

The only way that Fury vs Joshua shouldn't happen is if Fury wins and Joshua loses. Any other result combination should give us Fury vs Joshua after their next fights.

[Ruthless-RKO]

The only way that Fury vs Joshua shouldn't happen is if Fury wins and Joshua loses. Any other result combination should give us Fury vs Joshua after their next fights.

No doubt.

Then we might as well see Fury-Dubois

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It's been 4 years.. Look at the poll.

I bet this would now be different in peoples eyes.

4 years?

This is another Joshua V Wilder scenario.

They circle each other for years; reign as champions simultaneously, talk about fighting each other, but never do, then try to resurrect the bout years down the line when both are past their respective bests.

As for the poll, I think you're right, it would be massively different now; if I were to vote now, I would pick Joshua.

I think both are past their best, but I think Fury has slipped more.

Joshua appears to be in a better frame of mind and now believe that he is now not afraid of losing, hence why he seems to be more aggressive and resurgent.

[Ruthless-RKO]

As for the poll, I think you're right, it would be massively different now; if I were to vote now, I would pick Joshua.

You can change your vote

[1721002]

All depends what Fury turns up. If he is in condition and has trained Fury could outbox him and take him out late. Hopefully the fight can still happen.

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As for the poll, I think you're right, it would be massively different now; if I were to vote now, I would pick Joshua.

You can change your vote

Just changed my vote.

I initially thought Fury on points UD, now I think Joshua TKO.

Fury looks like he has slipped and he is getting wobbled and put down frequently now.

If Joshua puts him down, he might get up, but he won't be in any state to continue.

[Ruthless-RKO]

As for the poll, I think you're right, it would be massively different now; if I were to vote now, I would pick Joshua.

You can change your vote

Just changed my vote.

I initially thought Fury on points UD, now I think Joshua TKO.

Fury looks like he has slipped and he is getting wobbled and put down frequently now.

If Joshua puts him down, he might get up, but he won't be in any state to continue.

Fury gets knocked down every other fight tbh.. haha

But he has the best recovery of any boxer I seen.

[Boxerbeetle]

I've always thought the main deciding factor would be Joshua's approach. If he came out trying to be cautious and box, he'd lose for sure. He'd need to come out aggressive and commit, really go for the knockout, thinking like Louis approached the rematch against Schmeling. If Joshua did that, a very strong chance he'd win. But of course there's an equally strong chance he'd gas out quickly or get countered and stopped himself Just depends how much he wants it.

[Lenny Cravats]

You can change your vote

Just changed my vote.

I initially thought Fury on points UD, now I think Joshua TKO.

Fury looks like he has slipped and he is getting wobbled and put down frequently now.

If Joshua puts him down, he might get up, but he won't be in any state to continue.

Fury gets knocked down every other fight tbh.. haha

But he has the best recovery of any boxer I seen.

He was lucky last time out. He didn't have any control in his legs, could easily have been pinned on the ropes and stopped on his feet.

But yeah, it seems that if he gets any recovery time he'll make it through.


I'd originally voted Fury for this one. Not sure I've changed my mind, but I'd be nowhere near as confident as I was.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Joshua v Fury must happen by end of 2025 - Hearn

The long-awaited heavyweight bout between Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury must "definitely" take place by the end of 2025 or it will never happen, says promoter Eddie Hearn.

A super-fight between two generational stars of British boxing has been mooted for several years but always stalled during negotiations.

Joshua, 34, challenges Daniel Dubois for the IBF belt at Wembley Stadium on Saturday and Fury, 36, takes on Oleksandr Usyk - who holds the three other recognised world titles - in December's rematch.

"I do think AJ-Fury will happen regardless of whether Fury wins or not, but the size of the fight depends on their next two results," Hearn told BBC Sport.

In June, Joshua urged Fury to fight him while both boxers are still "fresh" but said he will not "sit around and wait" for his fellow British heavyweight.

Asked whether there is a deadline of next year, Matchroom's Hearn replied: "Yes, definitely."

With substantial investment into boxing from Saudi Arabia, there is new hope the bout will finally materialise.

"If AJ beats Dubois and Fury beats Usyk, you've got the biggest fight in the history of the sport ever. If one loses and the other wins, it's still a monster fight," Hearn added.

Joshua broke down in tears after a second consecutive defeat by Usyk in 2022, but worked himself back into a world-title mandatory challenger position with a four-fight winning streak.

If he beats Dubois he will emulate greats Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis, Vitali Klitschko and Evander Holyfield by becoming a three-time heavyweight world champion.

"The magnitude of the achievement will be something incredible if he can pull it off," Hearn said.

"We're two wins away from undisputed and one win away from getting a fight to be undisputed. I truly believe he will still do it."

Joshua must first come overcome Dubois in front of a British post-war record of 96,000 fans, which will top the 94,000 set by Fury v Dillian Whyte in 2022.

After Saturday's event, around 480,000 spectators will have watched Joshua headline in six UK stadium fights.

"People always ask me where the next AJ is coming from. You have to understand, this person is a one-off and there will never be another one," added Hearn.

"Whatever you think of his boxing ability, in terms of how he has transcended the sport, changed boxing by opening up stadium fights as part of the norm, it will never be repeated."

Dubois, 27, will make a first defence of the title he won after he was upgraded from interim to full world champion when Usyk vacated the IBF belt.

Although Dubois challenged Usyk in front of 40,000 fans in Poland last year, Hearn feels it "takes a specific kind of individual" to handle the pressure of topping a Wembley Stadium bill.

"The media attention and frenzy, all the moments before the bell on fight night - you've got to hold your nerve when you walk through that tunnel in front of 96,000 people," said Hearn.

"For AJ this is bread and butter. He's been there before and done it but he's got the hunger and the desire.

"Forget the money in the bank, he badly wants to become world champion again."

[Controversial]

A few years ago would’ve said Fury in a heartbeat, now I’m not so sure it’s that clean cut. I think Fury is on the slide now and if Usyk can almost stop him then AJ can certainly punch hard enough to cause him trouble.

[Ruthless-RKO]

A few years ago would’ve said Fury in a heartbeat, now I’m not so sure it’s that clean cut. I think Fury is on the slide now and if Usyk can almost stop him then AJ can certainly punch hard enough to cause him trouble.

Yh, Joshua doesn't seem as vulnerable now like he did 3-4 years ago.

Fury could and should have fought him then, majority probably backed him.

It's probably gone back to 50-50 or even 60-40 AJ.

[TBA]

Yes, but Joshua last 4 opponents since Usyk loss.

Franklin, Helenius, Wallin, Ngannau.

For all the improvements those are the guys you would expect Joshua at any point after 8-10 fights to look a million bucks against. And then, even against Franklin he was poor.

Dubois will tell us more about where Joshua is at now because barring getting blown out inside a round or two, he should put a bit of leather onto Joshua face which no one has really done in 6 years. That will tell us where Joshua mental game truly is.

Saying all that and about Fury. Joshua will catch Fury in a bout. And I think he gives the ref no choice but to stop it after Fury gets up with a barrage.

[Controversial]

Yes, but Joshua last 4 opponents since Usyk loss.

Franklin, Helenius, Wallin, Ngannau.

For all the improvements those are the guys you would expect Joshua at any point after 8-10 fights to look a million bucks against. And then, even against Franklin he was poor.

Dubois will tell us more about where Joshua is at now because barring getting blown out inside a round or two, he should put a bit of leather onto Joshua face which no one has really done in 6 years. That will tell us where Joshua mental game truly is.

Saying all that and about Fury. Joshua will catch Fury in a bout. And I think he gives the ref no choice but to stop it after Fury gets up with a barrage.

Likewise you can look at Fury's opponents since beating Wilder in 2021 and he lost one and struggled with Ngannou

Whyte, Chisora, Ngannou and Usuk.

[mickey1975]

Has this changed again?

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Can I change my vote again?

Now I'm not sure.

It looks like they're both on the slide, but it's a question of how far over the precipice they are.

Joshua looked bad last night, but he was up against a young lion who was intent on destroying him.

Fury hasn't looked great for a while either, plus he was nearly stopped by a 'middleweight', according to him; but to be fair, the 'middleweight' nearly stopped Joshua, beat him twice and stopped Dubois too.

I suppose Oleksandr Usyk was the real winner last night and looms large over them.

It's a real shame that he's 38, because he isn't going to be around much longer.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Can I change my vote again?

Now I'm not sure.

It looks like they're both on the slide, but it's a question of how far over the precipice they are.

Joshua looked bad last night, but he was up against a young lion who was intent on destroying him.

Fury hasn't looked great for a while either, plus he was nearly stopped by a 'middleweight', according to him; but to be fair, the 'middleweight' nearly stopped Joshua, beat him twice and stopped Dubois too.

I suppose Oleksandr Usyk was the real winner last night and looms large over them.

It's a real shame that he's 38, because he isn't going to be around much longer.

Votes are open. You can change

[Nightmare Roy]

I'm guessing this poll has been open for a while as I'd originally picked Fury but since I'd changed my mind to AJ, after last night you can't really give AJ much of a chance agaisnt any top opponent.

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I'm guessing this poll has been open for a while as I'd originally picked Fury but since I'd changed my mind to AJ, after last night you can't really give AJ much of a chance agaisnt any top opponent.

I'm in the same boat as you.

I have flip flopped on this, initially thinking Fury UD, then Joshua TKO, now back to Fury UD.

It's looks like Joshua's days at the top table maybe over.

I wouldn't pick him to beat any top opponent now.

Imagine what Big Bang Zhang would do to him?

In fact, I would probably pick Martin Bakole to put him away too, but I'll probably change my mind again at some point.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Done a brand new fresh poll.. probably a lot of people from previous times are no longer even here or have multiple accounts!

[Ruthless-RKO]

I mean I still wanna see this..

[DrDuke]

Still interesting.

Still Fury.