WITTER WBC CHAMP - YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

[josh fg]

In terms of the Hatton situation I think the most telling thig is that hatton wanted no part of the fight for years, he knows Witter is all wrong for him. On the issue of US I think ODLH will want to use the fact he has options on a WBC champion even if he is just chef support to two bigger names.

[leforge]

Dont forget Hatton lifestyle is not he best for a professional athlete! How much did he weigh when he was in Woods corner a few weeks ago 14stone.

['El Magnifico']

Well you have to hand credit to Witter for finally winning a world title and with the WBC, he should get some serious paydays. I do agree however with those who voiced their concerns over Witter's performance. I thought he was mediocre at best and the amount of times he loaded up and missed was almost embarassing, balance knowhere to be seen. He faired much better when he threw his punches from waist height upwards, much more difficult for Corley to telegraph and meant he could retain his balance better. I think he would be beaten comfortably by Mayweather and Cotto based on last nights performance but his style may pose some problems for Hatton. Thats why I think that is the fight to go for...

[bigynzing]

Listen, just because people have negative comments about the manner of the win, doesn't mean they have a personal dislike of Witter. If you took the time to read my piece over at Britishboxing.net, you will see that not only did I predict he would win this fight, but I think he deserves every success he gets after waiting so long for his title shot.

However, this fight serves to illustrate well partly why a fight with Hatton never came, and probably never will now and precisely why he waited so long to get his title shot. He got a title shot after his performance against N'dou which was an exciting performance where he put his man under pressure and hurt him.

Good luck to Junior, and I hope to see a lot more, but I hope it's a lot better to watch that this.

Well TBH the manner of Hattons victory with all the wrestling over Tyszu was hardly a great win, but he pulled it out all the same. But there was little critisism for Hatton.

This clash of styles was never going to be exciting. It doesnt mean a fighter isn't world class because the fighter isnt interesting. Look at Winky Wright and Bernard Hopkins ATGs but boring as they come

TBH the reason there was little critisism against Hatton was because he wasnt fighting an average punching guy who had been found out every time he stepped up...

LOL...i cant believe you`re talking about Hatton wrestling....last night when it wasnt wrestling it was poncing about....UGLY,UGLY,UGLY.

[Twinkle Toes]

Grats to Witter, he did more than enough to win the fight - Corley was poor, very poor.

It will be interesting to see where Witter goes from here.

[J]

Grats to Witter, he did more than enough to win the fight - Corley was poor, very poor.

It will be interesting to see where Witter goes from here.

seconded, dull fight but you cant criticise witter for his work really other than the distasteful posing which is just gay .


Bit surprised at people crapping on about corley being a top dog, the dame folk who call Tzyu shot post the hatton loss.....hmmmm speaks volumes that.

Anyway Corely is another top ten gatekeeper at this stage of his career but a convincing if safe performance all the same and at the end of the day we all would have settled for that at the start.

Hopefully he will fight hatton now, so we can lay a lot of this niggle to rest.

Personally I think Hatton has too much for Junior, you can talk about styles all you like bu the fact of the matter is if you let witter fight at his own pace like Colrey did, then he can afford to pose and make you look daft. But hatton wont do that. Try the satue thing iof they get it on and Junior might be sufffering 3 broken ribs me thinks.

Either way congrats to Junior.

[Autobarn]

Tsyu was the best and universally recognised champion.

Despite his inactivity he battered Judah and Mitchell. Both fighters I feel were superior to Witter at 140.

Hatton is all wrong for Witter. He's is biting off more than he can chew

Witter cant hurt Hatton?

Tsyu was the best and universally recognised champion.

Despite his inactivity he battered Judah and Mitchell. Both fighters I feel were superior to Witter at 140.

Hatton is all wrong for Witter. He's is biting off more than he can chew

Witter cant hurt Hatton

Witter can't hurt Hatton yet weaker punchers like Collazo, Tackie, Phillips all put Hatton on queer street?

Tsyzu was linear champ but the fact he was semi-retired and stripped but all of his win makes Tyszu and Hatton very disputedchamps at that time. More so when Hatton turned down 4 offers to fight the no1 in the division FMJ (before terms/money were discussed as mentioned by his dad).[/quote]Witter's thrown-from-the-hip right hooks will do way more damage than Collazo's right hooks. Also, with Witter it's a reflex punch, that he does instinctively on the counter. As opposed to Collazo's which he doesn't seem to throw naturally.

[J]

im interested to know how someone who stops Mickey Ward inside 3 rounds is considered a weak puncher

[KO Artist]

Tsyu was the best and universally recognised champion.

Despite his inactivity he battered Judah and Mitchell. Both fighters I feel were superior to Witter at 140.

Hatton is all wrong for Witter. He's is biting off more than he can chew

Witter cant hurt Hatton?

Tsyu was the best and universally recognised champion.

Despite his inactivity he battered Judah and Mitchell. Both fighters I feel were superior to Witter at 140.

Hatton is all wrong for Witter. He's is biting off more than he can chew

Witter cant hurt Hatton

Witter can't hurt Hatton yet weaker punchers like Collazo, Tackie, Phillips all put Hatton on queer street?

Tsyzu was linear champ but the fact he was semi-retired and stripped but all of his win makes Tyszu and Hatton very disputedchamps at that time. More so when Hatton turned down 4 offers to fight the no1 in the division FMJ (before terms/money were discussed as mentioned by his dad).

Witter's thrown-from-the-hip right hooks will do way more damage than Collazo's right hooks. Also, with Witter it's a reflex punch, that he does instinctively on the counter. As opposed to Collazo's which he doesn't seem to throw naturally.[/quote]

Collazo Tackie and Phillips all hit harder than Witter.

Witter hits hard against super featherweights that all.

[Max Molyneux]

Oh so the N'dou is a super featherweight.

Callazo is not a puncher.

[Autobarn]

KO streaks normally end when going up in class. Either the chin are harder (ndou) or the opponents are harder to hit (Corley, Kotelnik). That's why I hope to see Witter in pure boxer mode a bit more, albeit with enough jarring shots to keep his foes contained. As was the case with Corley.


Like him or not, Witter adds something to a very good weight division. There's a major puncher (Harris), a frenzied pressure guy (Hatton) an economical pressure fighter (Castillo), super smooth boxer (Mbaye), infuriatingly awkward mover (Rabah). JW's unorthodoxy, power (though not a great finisher at this level), alertness & agility reinforce that 140 is a zone that has something for everyone.

[Autobarn]

I've nothing against Witter but you have to be pragmatic, it was not just about a title on Friday it was about showcasing Witter on the world-level and I'm sorry but he did not create a sensation. Right or wrong who will be interested in his first defence? He may add something but is it something anyone but homers will want to see?

Pure boxing is one thing, I don't see where standing stock still with some shark impersonating stance fits into this. This coupled with the boos during the N'dou fight and the Judah fight means that Witter-Hatton will only be demanded by UK fans, will everyone else want to cancel Hatton-Castillo for the fight?

didn't say you didn't like him, that's why I left a couple of spaces between pararaphs

Ppl won't be interested in Witter, not to put him in major fights. Maybe one of the losers from some upcoming title fights will come running.

I thought the fencing stance stuff was quite funny. He seemed to be telling Corley that his hand would cut off the trajectory of Corley's punch. It did have some real purpose, especially when he went orthodox and bizzarely put his right hand forward. Corley starts doing lots of feints & Witter replies with a lot of imaginary blocks/parries. Again, he's making the guy scared to throw a punch, then he starts tapping Corley on the head with his right, as if to get under his skin.

Alternative for being to mount a serious attack, and score jabs and crosses, but when DC did that he was nearly dropped twice (5 and 8 ). So although it wasn't entertaining, it was certainly clever stuff. Also, I liked the way he changed stanes to draw the guy onto different punches. That will probably put everyone off from fighting him, but it'll be easier to get opponents as WBC champ as opposed to EBU, where his mandatories were pulling out.

Anyhow, I hope Witter is successful doing things his way. Come a long way from the Judah loss. I'll definitely be interested.

[Kilburn]

I picked Corley beforehand and expected a lot more from him, but I still was very impressed that Witter managed to get through the 12 rounds without ever looking in any kind of danger, not once.

I don't see him beating Hatton but I believe there would be much more to the fight than Ricky simply bulling Witter to the ropes and busting up his body. Hatton would miss A LOT of punches in there, no doubt about that. Witter just doesn't have the punching technique to punish him successfully.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Collazo is a weltwerweight. I don't care whether Hatton outweighed him come fight night, Collazo was quite obviously the naturally bigger man, and had the height, reach and long punches to hurt Hatton. Hatton bulked up by pumping weights, Collazo didn't need to, he's a big boned and rangy Welterweight.

When did Tackie have Hatton on queer street, what utter rot!

Tszyu hits harder than anyone Witter has faced, and Hatton took PLENTY of flush shots without going down.

I'm pleased for Witter, I'm glad he got his title shot and won, it's good to have another genuine world champion, but I don't see him beating Hatton, Cotto or Mayweather basde on that performance and his general style. Witter loads up far too much to beat compact and technically good fighters like Cotto.

Witter did manage to hurt Corley, but couldn't finish it because he rushed his work and started winging in big shots.

Witter's biggest problem is that he is always looking for that one shot to turn things, he isn't good at systematically breaking his opponent down.

While he has good power, he seldom lands clean flush shots because he telegraphs his work, and doesn't throw combinations much. How often do you see Witter mixing his work up to head and body.

Witter obviously has a punchers chance, but Mayweather is too quick, too busy, too slick and too clever to let Witter beat him. Hatton would be too aggressive and strong and would take Witter out of his comfort Zone. Witter even admitted himself in interview with Glynn in boxing news that he didn't like pressure, so how is he going to cope outside of launching a massive shot?

Cotto although he looks beatable lately, is still winning his fights, and he can take punishment and prevail. Getting him in trouble is one thing, finishing him off another, and I don't think Witter's a good enough finisher. I can well see him hurting Cotto early on, before Cotto breaks him down with body shots.

Having said all that, Witter can be very hard to hit, but I think that any of these three guys would find a way to figure him out and get him backed up and disorganised.

[MightyWarrior]

Witter can't hurt Hatton yet weaker punchers like Collazo, Tackie, Phillips all put Hatton on queer street?

Now, I aint saying you're right...and I aint saying you're wrong 8)

Witter could most likely hurt Hatton if he lands full tilt, but I don't think you can call him a bigger puncher than Tackie or Phillips: these guys have KO'd world class fighters, and I'm not sure Jr has ever managed that.

Missed the fight in the end, but my sorrow was short lived when I read the reports ( check the USA websites, they hardly mention it at all. Even Enzo in a WBU-joke-fight gets more ink ).

At least he now has that all important belt; something that, more often than not, makes you an even better fighter.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Tsyu was the best and universally recognised champion.

Despite his inactivity he battered Judah and Mitchell. Both fighters I feel were superior to Witter at 140.

Hatton is all wrong for Witter. He's is biting off more than he can chew

Witter cant hurt Hatton?

Tsyu was the best and universally recognised champion.

Despite his inactivity he battered Judah and Mitchell. Both fighters I feel were superior to Witter at 140.

Hatton is all wrong for Witter. He's is biting off more than he can chew

Witter cant hurt Hatton

Witter can't hurt Hatton yet weaker punchers like Collazo, Tackie, Phillips all put Hatton on queer street?

Tsyzu was linear champ but the fact he was semi-retired and stripped but all of his win makes Tyszu and Hatton very disputedchamps at that time. More so when Hatton turned down 4 offers to fight the no1 in the division FMJ (before terms/money were discussed as mentioned by his dad).

Witter's thrown-from-the-hip right hooks will do way more damage than Collazo's right hooks. Also, with Witter it's a reflex punch, that he does instinctively on the counter. As opposed to Collazo's which he doesn't seem to throw naturally.[/quote]

Vince Phillips not a puncher....hahahaah HILARIOUS STUFF
Ask Tszyu whether Phillips is a puncher.

Tackie's such a non puncher too, that Tszyu never allowed him a chance to plant his feet for the whole fight, boxing him to a standstill the whole fight instead.

[Autobarn]

Witter can't hurt Hatton yet weaker punchers like Collazo, Tackie, Phillips all put Hatton on queer street?

Now, I aint saying you're right...and I aint saying you're wrong 8)

Witter could most likely hurt Hatton if he lands full tilt, but I don't think you can call him a bigger puncher than Tackie or Phillips: these guys have KO'd world class fighters, and I'm not sure Jr has ever managed that.

Missed the fight in the end, but my sorrow was short lived when I read the reports ( check the USA websites, they hardly mention it at all. Even Enzo in a WBU-joke-fight gets more ink ).

At least he now has that all important belt; something that, more often than not, makes you an even better fighter.

I didn't post that comment, someone else said that & the quotes were already smegged up. you will see (quote) separating the previous comment from mine, just not literal quotation marks

[Autobarn]

Tsyu was the best and universally recognised champion.

Despite his inactivity he battered Judah and Mitchell. Both fighters I feel were superior to Witter at 140.

Hatton is all wrong for Witter. He's is biting off more than he can chew

Witter cant hurt Hatton

Witter can't hurt Hatton yet weaker punchers like Collazo, Tackie, Phillips all put Hatton on queer street?

Tsyzu was linear champ but the fact he was semi-retired and stripped but all of his win makes Tyszu and Hatton very disputedchamps at that time. More so when Hatton turned down 4 offers to fight the no1 in the division FMJ (before terms/money were discussed as mentioned by his dad).

Witter's thrown-from-the-hip right hooks will do way more damage than Collazo's right hooks. Also, with Witter it's a reflex punch, that he does instinctively on the counter. As opposed to Collazo's which he doesn't seem to throw naturally.

Vince Phillips not a puncher....hahahaah HILARIOUS STUFF
Ask Tszyu whether Phillips is a puncher.

Tackie's such a non puncher too, that Tszyu never allowed him a chance to plant his feet for the whole fight, boxing him to a standstill the whole fight instead.[/quote]

Maxbollocks, you think you're schooling me or something? It's not even my quote. Go back to the source, you will see that someone else wrote that and that MY comments were seperated from that comment at which you're laughing, by a (quote)!

In fact, you can see how the quotes aren't coming out right, as it looks like I've just said what you said

[Autobarn]

I've nothing against Witter but you have to be pragmatic, it was not just about a title on Friday it was about showcasing Witter on the world-level and I'm sorry but he did not create a sensation. Right or wrong who will be interested in his first defence? He may add something but is it something anyone but homers will want to see?

Pure boxing is one thing, I don't see where standing stock still with some shark impersonating stance fits into this. This coupled with the boos during the N'dou fight and the Judah fight means that Witter-Hatton will only be demanded by UK fans, will everyone else want to cancel Hatton-Castillo for the fight?

didn't say you didn't like him, that's why I left a couple of spaces between pararaphs

Ppl won't be interested in Witter, not to put him in major fights. Maybe one of the losers from some upcoming title fights will come running.

I thought the fencing stance stuff was quite funny. He seemed to be telling Corley that his hand would cut off the trajectory of Corley's punch. It did have some real purpose, especially when he went orthodox and bizzarely put his right hand forward. Corley starts doing lots of feints & Witter replies with a lot of imaginary blocks/parries. Again, he's making the guy scared to throw a punch, then he starts tapping Corley on the head with his right, as if to get under his skin.

Alternative for being to mount a serious attack, and score jabs and crosses, but when DC did that he was nearly dropped twice (5 and 8 ). So although it wasn't entertaining, it was certainly clever stuff. Also, I liked the way he changed stanes to draw the guy onto different punches. That will probably put everyone off from fighting him, but it'll be easier to get opponents as WBC champ as opposed to EBU, where his mandatories were pulling out.

Anyhow, I hope Witter is successful doing things his way. Come a long way from the Judah loss. I'll definitely be interested.

You're seeing tits in clouds there. When Witter did that fencing post the immediate outcome was nada, he seemed only to confuse himself and had to adjust his feet every time he did it, the whole point of being a counter puncher is that you lure people in, not away, and tapping them afterwards is not great if you are tapping gloves. All it did was restrict Witter's line of sight so a counter would be pretty unrealisable, plus it left him open to a free punch, a hook to the body as long as the other fighter takes a sidestep. Both were beyond Corely.

I'm glad Witter got the WBC title, the Ingles have done a good job and their gym is always packed out, that is great yet this showcase went down like a cheap whore and won't entice the big fights.

The commentator said it was a fight where both guys are technically very sound, technically both guys were very poor as far as I could see. Corley did little and Witter countered, largely, ineffectively. Witter's defence was open in parts.

not necessarily. I didn't say that Witter did the fencing pose to score counters. he did it to frustrate Corley on a mental level. Just cos it's a match between counter punchers things can't be read that literally - there was more going on than 'you lead, i counter'.

You're saying he did it to beckon Corley to lead. But as you say, Witter was in no position to counter anyways. That's why it's clear that he was doing it to show Corley that his punch trajectory had been interfered with.

like I say, his reflex counters had already convinced Corley he couldn't mount a serious offense, for fear of being jolted. That's one avenue DC realizes he cannot win. So Corley isn't going to do that all night, Witter wasn't going to just think 'ah, he'll come out his shell briefly again soon & i'll punish him'. Then if DC thinks he can try and pickpocket the rounds, Witter shows him that he basically can't touch him anyway, cue the business with the right glove. In simpler words, he conned Corley into giving up ANY chance of winning - ie punching. There was method in his work. Witter can be a very finnicky technician, very infuriating. He had Corley stuck in a box, baffled as to what he was going to do. Ultimately, what coud Corley do, but lose meekly?

Certainly not a sound technician. Definitely not a correct puncher. But still a very clever unorthoox boxer and its good to see he hasn't made the Naz error of trying to be apuncher and a puncher only

[Autobarn]

in cagey fights like that, he does better when countering. Witter was either lunging (missing a lot) or surprising with counters. JW's best success was when Corley tried a serious attack early (rd 3, i think). Corley opened up 4 times & though he landed, Witter nailed him each time, putting him in his place with better shots. So forgive my emphasis on counter punching. The fifth rd shots that had Corley almost down were ascything left-right counter, etc. If I rmemeber right the rd 8 assault that wobbled Corley was also in reply.

JW wouldn't be able to get away with that all night, as Corley ended up being like this fish that bangs into the glass barrier. The fish will stop banging its face & try to find a way round. I think he badly reduced Corley's shot at winning by replying with better shots; and then totally psyched him out, by cutting off the line DC's shots would travel in (breaking someone's rhythm in the truest sense). Playing the percentages, reducing Corley's chance to close to zero. As Corley had no conficence in moving his hands. Mind games that worked a treat.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

im interested to know how someone who stops Mickey Ward inside 3 rounds is considered a weak puncher

Cut eye mate, none the less Phillips can bang, however hes just a crackhead with not the best timing/counters/workrate

[J]

ZOO A CUT EYE AS WELL?

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Witter-Hatton will only be demanded by UK fans, will everyone else want to cancel Hatton-Castillo for the fight?

I don't see what the big deal is about a Castillo fight tbh, in his last title fight he was ko'd, when he won the title most said Johnston was robbed, Cassamoya beat him but was robbed, Mayweather schooled him twice, and he has about 7losses. Plus on top of all that he can't be relied on to make weight.

[Autobarn]

Witter-Hatton will only be demanded by UK fans, will everyone else want to cancel Hatton-Castillo for the fight?

I don't see what the big deal is about a Castillo fight tbh, in his last title fight he was ko'd, when he won the title most said Johnston was robbed, Cassamoya beat him but was robbed, Mayweather schooled him twice, and he has about 7losses. Plus on top of all that he can't be relied on to make weight.

disagree there. the Johnston fights could've gone either way - I have them 1-1. so could the Casamayor and Mayweather I.In short, Castillo held his own against OUTSTANDING boxers. He's 2-1-1 against them & that is excellent, considering he was weight drained in half of these fights (from PBF II onward). Add to them scalps like Bazan, Corrales, Lazcano, Julio Diaz and you have a man who's definied himself in hard competitive fights. Castillo is 1 or 2 big wins away from the HOF. Total record in those important fights is 6-2-1

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

When did Tackie have Hatton on queer street, what utter rot!
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umm did you actually watch that fight - see the 12th round, I actually think its on Hattons site. Hes all over the place really hurt. As for Tyszu hitting him flush - he did but wasn't quite balanced or getting proper extension