Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Daniel Dubois | PPV - 21 September 2024

[joshj909]

I don't know. Probably Parker. As Joe G said the other day, AJ has never beaten a live opponent. I guess Parker, whilst very green and fighting the ref, had a go.

For a serious poster and as a serious boxing fan you must realise your insane pro-Fury and anti-Joshua bias it borders on the line of a troll account

Hang on, I'm not Joe G. As I said earlier, I've never rated AJ, long before he even turned pro. I've never denied being a fan of Fury. I defended him on here for years despite being told he was absolutely terrible and only good fot hitting himself in the face. To go on to only lose in an undisputed well over ten years after the majority of the forum wrote him off I'd say I had a point. Nothing trollish about it. I'd say it was more trollish some of the regular posters viewing last night's fight as a mismatch going in. And the scrambling to defend him is quite something. He got iced. By Daniel Dubois. His performance made Nathan Gormans looks spectacular.

Everyone's allowed to be a fan of someone, if you took your Fury-tinted glasses off you'd see that most people in this forum aren't Joshua fans in the way that you're a Fury fan. Very few think he's the top 10 all time great that you seem to think everyone thinks he is. If you took a step back you'd see. Most think they're both past it and find them both at least slightly irritating. You have to respect certain aspects of each man's achievements without blindly downplaying every single thing the other has done. I know some of what you say is tongue in cheek but some of it seems genuinely serious

[Ruthless-RKO]

Reckon AJ and team only watched and analysed Dubois-Joyce and no other fight.

[BigDoofus]

If you must step back and lean back, at least keep your bloody hands up!

It was ridiculous from a seasoned pro

I find it quite baffling to be honest, it was probably the worst I have ever seen from AJ. There was almost nothing he did right, pawing tentative jab, hands down, wild swings, head upright, hands down, moving back in straight lines from an onrushing opponent.

The only things he did reasonably well was clinching, and getting back up.

Ruiz came in at short notice and made him look really bad.
Joshua’s career has been carefully managed. Only in the Usyk 2 fight has he not been a big favourite.

[Boxerbeetle]

I'll spell it out to you. Fury lost to Usyk, it remains his only loss, but was competitive in the fight, enough to still be ranked number two. Dubois lost handily to Usyk. He beat AJ convincingly, probably enough to make him number three when combined with his wins over Miller and Hrg.
The Ali/Foreman thing came in when you dismissed Wilder based on his recent form. Ali beating Foreman and losing to Larry Holmes was the same time difference as Wilder v Fury 1 and Wilder v Zhang. Do you really think either man was the same in each fight?

Ok, so you want to play the compare opponents game.
So I'll spell it out to you Micky mate.
Wilder got embarrassed by a guy AJ comfortably beat .. AJ destroyed two guys who gave Fury life and death.
Fury hasn't fought and beat anyone of note except an ancient Wlad and Whyte, and a crude Wilder.
Even Dubois now has a stronger fight record than Fury.
Both Fury & Dubois lost convincingly to Usyk: Dubois quits .. Fury narrowly avoided a KO loss.
So that makes Usyk number 1 .. and as the guy who has now had 3 good wins, Dubois number 2.

As said; your on your own with all the irrelevant Ali, Holmes and now Zhang nonsense mate

Joshua also went 12 rounds with Usyk, not once but twice, without once coming close to being stopped, Fury as we all know, should most likely have been stopped, and got absolutely mullered by Usyk in round 9.

I would say Fury and Joshua have very similar resumes in terms of depth, I'd say based on Styles, Fury probably wins, though not much confidence in that. Joshua looks to me like he might fail to pull the trigger, but then again, he might just walk through Fury, who doesn't have anything like the power Dubois has.

I dunno about that, Usyk could potentially have stopped Joshua in the last round of the first fight if he'd have needed to go for a ko, AJ looked totally done to me.

[Verdi]

Moses Itauma has 18 months to beat Tysons record, hopefully the fight is made in that time. Should be easy to make since they're both under Frank.

[joshj909]

Moses Itauma has 18 months to beat Tysons record, hopefully the fight is made in that time. Should be easy to make since they're both under Frank.

It seems like it should be a win-win voluntary defence from Frank's point of view

[Ricky]

Who is more rubbish? Fury or Joshua?

DDD is a rubbish quitter too

I think Fury is much better than AJ, but neither of them are the 'greats' they believe themselves to be.

AJ has always been an imposter imo, a late-comer to the sport. Brilliant athlete and tremendous puncher but you can see him actively concentrating on things that should come natural to him. His career was launched hand-in-hand with a Rob McCracken crash course in the basics.

AJs biggest problem imo is that when he gets rattled he doesn't have that natural instinct of a boxer, it wasn't engrained in him as a child to tuck his chin for instance, so when he was buzzed by Ruiz & Dubois suddenly they found it very easy, he was a sitting duck for them, both fights unfolded in a similar way from the first knock downs.


As for Fury, much more of a natural boxer. Even when he ate Wilder's biggest shots he rolled with as they landed, took the sting out them like rolling with shots is second nature to him. But let's be honest, it's his size that got him to where he is. On pure p4p ability he's hardly Terence Crawford but some people would have you believe he's a 7 foot Mayweather. Let's not forget he lost to McMuffin, was practically flattened by Cunningham and derailed his own career with a dodgy episode around drug testing. Remove Wilder from his CV and it's really pretty crap.

The 2 of them had the chance to sell a historically big fight now they've missed the boat, I find them both intolerable tbh and quite glad to see the back of them both now.

[Controversial]

No women on the card again, you hardly hear anything about these fights now

[Coco]

No women on the card again, you hardly hear anything about these fights now

Fast car has his girlfriend on the next one

[cormack]

Just rewatching it and AJs behaviour in the fight was odd. Beating his chest, acknowledging people ringside mid fight, poking his tongue out and showing Dubois where his stool was at the end of the 4th are a few things he done.

his brain was turned into scrambled eggs

[cormack]

It was ridiculous from a seasoned pro

I find it quite baffling to be honest, it was probably the worst I have ever seen from AJ. There was almost nothing he did right, pawing tentative jab, hands down, wild swings, head upright, hands down, moving back in straight lines from an onrushing opponent.

The only things he did reasonably well was clinching, and getting back up.

Ruiz came in at short notice and made him look really bad.
Joshua’s career has been carefully managed. Only in the Usyk 2 fight has he not been a big favourite.

its hard to compute that AJ went 24 rounds vs Usyk and was switched on enough to finish both fights and come on strong in the end of the 2nd fight and yet last night basically coughed it up in the 1st round .

[stujones]

I find it quite baffling to be honest, it was probably the worst I have ever seen from AJ. There was almost nothing he did right, pawing tentative jab, hands down, wild swings, head upright, hands down, moving back in straight lines from an onrushing opponent.

The only things he did reasonably well was clinching, and getting back up.

Ruiz came in at short notice and made him look really bad.
Joshua’s career has been carefully managed. Only in the Usyk 2 fight has he not been a big favourite.

its hard to compute that AJ went 24 rounds vs Usyk and was switched on enough to finish both fights and come on strong in the end of the 2nd fight and yet last night basically coughed it up in the 1st round .

Not really, Usyk is a cruiserweight….probably most surprising thing is how Usyk had Fury hurt.

Usyk was again a winner last night…what an absolute cast iron chin he has, it’s got to be up there in the P4P all time bracket.

Dubios just had Joshua in Queer Street every time he hit Joshua, but he didn’t move Usyk (to the head anyway)

[keithmoonhangover]

I finally watched the highlights and I'm gonna say, From the opening bell, AJ was carrying his hands a lot lower than in the Ngannou fight. I don't understand the logic behind that.

[KiwiRider]

I finally watched the highlights and I'm gonna say, From the opening bell, AJ was carrying his hands a lot lower than in the Ngannou fight. I don't understand the logic behind that.

He was stiff as well. Came in late to the venue, not a good idea either. That first round KD rattled him and never got the chance to recover.
Dubois just battered him from then on

[BigDoofus]

I finally watched the highlights and I'm gonna say, From the opening bell, AJ was carrying his hands a lot lower than in the Ngannou fight. I don't understand the logic behind that.

He was stiff as well. Came in late to the venue, not a good idea either. That first round KD rattled him and never got the chance to recover.
Dubois just battered him from then on

Dubois was on top throughout the 1st round. His jab was too quick for Joshua.

[forcefraser]

Dubois was the first time since Usyk that AJ faced a hungry powerful heavyweight

Fights 4 cans and then gets exposed by the first fighter with any real ambition

Joshua has never recovered from the Ruiz fight.

He did OK in Usyk 2, but Usyk isn't a killer puncher.

[garethhop]

A link for anyone who wants to see Bellew get excited then crushed within 3 seconds.

[SeanBrennan]

Dubois was the first time since Usyk that AJ faced a hungry powerful heavyweight

Fights 4 cans and then gets exposed by the first fighter with any real ambition

Joshua has never recovered from the Ruiz fight.

He did OK in Usyk 2, but Usyk isn't a killer puncher.

I'm not sure they're cans, they weren't top 10 though I get it. I don't think AJ is anything than no longer in the top 4. He lost to a younger, hungrier fighter. There's no shame in that, he kept getting up but got soundly beaten.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Dubois was the first time since Usyk that AJ faced a hungry powerful heavyweight

Fights 4 cans and then gets exposed by the first fighter with any real ambition

Joshua has never recovered from the Ruiz fight.

He did OK in Usyk 2, but Usyk isn't a killer puncher.

Tell Fury that.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I finally watched the highlights and I'm gonna say, From the opening bell, AJ was carrying his hands a lot lower than in the Ngannou fight. I don't understand the logic behind that.

He was stiff as well. Came in late to the venue, not a good idea either. That first round KD rattled him and never got the chance to recover.
Dubois just battered him from then on

Dubois was on top throughout the 1st round. His jab was too quick for Joshua.

That's where it went wrong, Dubois took the jab away early.

[golden_labrador]

Ok, so you want to play the compare opponents game.
So I'll spell it out to you Micky mate.
Wilder got embarrassed by a guy AJ comfortably beat .. AJ destroyed two guys who gave Fury life and death.
Fury hasn't fought and beat anyone of note except an ancient Wlad and Whyte, and a crude Wilder.
Even Dubois now has a stronger fight record than Fury.
Both Fury & Dubois lost convincingly to Usyk: Dubois quits .. Fury narrowly avoided a KO loss.
So that makes Usyk number 1 .. and as the guy who has now had 3 good wins, Dubois number 2.

As said; your on your own with all the irrelevant Ali, Holmes and now Zhang nonsense mate

Joshua also went 12 rounds with Usyk, not once but twice, without once coming close to being stopped, Fury as we all know, should most likely have been stopped, and got absolutely mullered by Usyk in round 9.

I would say Fury and Joshua have very similar resumes in terms of depth, I'd say based on Styles, Fury probably wins, though not much confidence in that. Joshua looks to me like he might fail to pull the trigger, but then again, he might just walk through Fury, who doesn't have anything like the power Dubois has.

I dunno about that, Usyk could potentially have stopped Joshua in the last round of the first fight if he'd have needed to go for a ko, AJ looked totally done to me.

yep. I was going to say this too. AJ was acting all strange, laughing as he lay back on the ropes being bopped.

[Controversial]

If you listen to the corner commentary between rounds 4 and 5 you can hear AJ say “he’s shit”

[forcefraser]

A link for anyone who wants to see Bellew get excited then crushed within 3 seconds.

I just love that clip. Tony, sorry, Anthony Bellew done like a kipper.

He was screaming for AJ to pile in. Bad advice Boomer

With Everton struggling big time and now his man crush smashed to pieces he gotta be gutted right now.

Couldn't happen to a nicer more unbiased bloke

Wasn't he once the big stiff idiot's fruity lover who Fury said he'd beat between rounds?

[tonyevs]

It's hard to call it now - both guys clearly not what we'd all initially thought.

Which still makes Joshua Fury oddly intriguing.
We will have to see how Fury does in the rematch. He didn't look as slim as he was a few months back last night.

The much smaller and older Usyk clearly beat both AJ & Fury to p1ss on both guys hype.
And recently we have seen Wilder brutally exposed and Fury struggle with a 40 year old debutant then afterwards lose to Usyk.

AJ was done & dusted on the weekend; nothing more needs to be said about that.

So any Fury Vs Joshua fight in the future is nothing more than a cash out fight for both with little or no real value like Brook Vs Khan .. just way too late now.

[Ruthless-RKO]