The Klitschko Brothers

[DrDuke]

Dr. Duke,

Vitali was a 1st year eligible inductee, and the leading vote getter in his class.

Wilder does not rate. What are his best wins and the scorecards of those fights?

Vitali beat two of the guys who beat his brother, badly I might add.

Still Vitali's resume isn't really HoF worthy. The likes of Pinklon Thomas and Toney Tucker aren't worse. Tucker beat Douglas, who beat Tyson.

Yes it is. Like I said he was a 1st year eligible inductee, and the leading vote getter in his class. .

Danny Williams beat Tyson by the way. What did VK do to him? He beat him badly not losing a round.

That version of Tyson was shot.

So, what exactly for Vit the Klit deserves the induction? Williams, Sanders, Peter, Adamek?

[Riddick Bowie]

You are wrong again. Neither Sanders or Briggs were 40.  

Briggs was not among Vitali's top wins, and again I defer to Ring Magazine ratings at the time of the fight.

Peter, Sanders, and Adamek were all rated by Ring Magazine inside the top 3 when VK fought them. Either he or his brother occupied two of the spots making it difficult for other fighters to be rated 1, 2, or 3.

Can I name past heavyweight greats that would lose rounds to VK's victims?    I sure can.    I  will start with Muhammad Ali.  Is he good enough? Well, he lost rounds to lesser fighters who were not even ranked in some cases.

Case closed.

-P4P

If only you could defer to logic and reason the way you defer to the Ring magazine ratings.

Wow! Peter, Sanders, and Adamek were in the top 10! That means they MUST be good. I mean, they were even ranked above Eddie Chambers and Chris Arreola, so we're talking elite level talent!!

You are the archetypal Klitscho Fanatic, relying purely on statistics without attempting any contextual understanding of the data or being able even to grasp the real-world implications behind it. You are every bit as boring as your two boring idols.

[pound per pound]

You are wrong again. Neither Sanders or Briggs were 40.  

Briggs was not among Vitali's top wins, and again I defer to Ring Magazine ratings at the time of the fight.

Peter, Sanders, and Adamek were all rated by Ring Magazine inside the top 3 when VK fought them. Either he or his brother occupied two of the spots making it difficult for other fighters to be rated 1, 2, or 3.

Can I name past heavyweight greats that would lose rounds to VK's victims?    I sure can.    I  will start with Muhammad Ali.  Is he good enough? Well, he lost rounds to lesser fighters who were not even ranked in some cases.

Case closed.

-P4P

If only you could defer to logic and reason the way you defer to the Ring magazine ratings.

Wow! Peter, Sanders, and Adamek were in the top 10! That means they MUST be good. I mean, they were even ranked above Eddie Chambers and Chris Arreola, so we're talking elite level talent!!

You are the archetypal Klitscho Fanatic, relying purely on statistics without attempting any contextual understanding of the data or being able even to grasp the real-world implications behind it. You are every bit as boring as your two boring idols.

Oh, I can. You too much of hater to listen.

I use good back drop examples like the Boxing Hall of Fame, and Ring Magazine. Two gold stardards that are above your drirvel. Are they real world enough for you?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Wlad was clearly skilled , but boring and lost to the 2 best fighters he ever faced. He always got up though , against sanders brewster, and joshua - and thats admirable

Vitali - the only fights of his worth rewatching are lewis and sanders. He quit against chris byrd - i can see quitting if you have an injury - but when way ahead against chris byrd?? I never thought he proved himself as a great. Very good for sure

[DrDuke]

You are wrong again. Neither Sanders or Briggs were 40.  

Briggs was not among Vitali's top wins, and again I defer to Ring Magazine ratings at the time of the fight.

Peter, Sanders, and Adamek were all rated by Ring Magazine inside the top 3 when VK fought them. Either he or his brother occupied two of the spots making it difficult for other fighters to be rated 1, 2, or 3.

Can I name past heavyweight greats that would lose rounds to VK's victims?    I sure can.    I  will start with Muhammad Ali.  Is he good enough? Well, he lost rounds to lesser fighters who were not even ranked in some cases.

Case closed.

-P4P

If only you could defer to logic and reason the way you defer to the Ring magazine ratings.

Wow! Peter, Sanders, and Adamek were in the top 10! That means they MUST be good. I mean, they were even ranked above Eddie Chambers and Chris Arreola, so we're talking elite level talent!!

You are the archetypal Klitscho Fanatic, relying purely on statistics without attempting any contextual understanding of the data or being able even to grasp the real-world implications behind it. You are every bit as boring as your two boring idols.

Oh, I can. You too much of hater to listen.

I use good back drop examples like the Boxing Hall of Fame, and Ring Magazine. Two gold stardards that are above your drirvel. Are they real world enough for you?

Man, you even ignored the question, what exactly for Vit the Klit deserved the induction. Cause the scalps of Sanders, Peter, Adamek, Arreola, Chisora aren't really an argumnt for that, aren't they?

[pound per pound]

If only you could defer to logic and reason the way you defer to the Ring magazine ratings.

Wow! Peter, Sanders, and Adamek were in the top 10! That means they MUST be good. I mean, they were even ranked above Eddie Chambers and Chris Arreola, so we're talking elite level talent!!

You are the archetypal Klitscho Fanatic, relying purely on statistics without attempting any contextual understanding of the data or being able even to grasp the real-world implications behind it. You are every bit as boring as your two boring idols.

Oh, I can. You too much of hater to listen.

I use good back drop examples like the Boxing Hall of Fame, and Ring Magazine. Two gold stardards that are above your drirvel. Are they real world enough for you?

Man, you even ignored the question, what exactly for Vit the Klit deserved the induction. Cause the scalps of Sanders, Peter, Adamek, Arreola, Chisora aren't really an argumnt for that, aren't they?

I was talking to Billy. But to directly answer your question, VK deserves induction because:



He is 8-2 vs. top then Ring Magazine contenders.

He was the Ring Magazine Heavyweight champion

He owns one of the highest all time knock out percentages at 91.1%.

He successfully came back at 37, after four years off with no fights and won his title, an ultra rare feat.

He was never floored by a punch or took a standing 8 count. One of two heavyweight champions to accomplish this.

He owns the best rounds one and rounds lost in the history of the official scorecard among the heavyweight champions.



Still extrapolating? He was inducted by a panel of hall of fame votes in his first year of eligibility and was the leading vote getter in his class.

If I ask you a question of why, do you best reply, Dr. Duke. You are welcome to fact check this.

[pound per pound]

Oh, I can. You too much of hater to listen.

I use good back drop examples like the Boxing Hall of Fame, and Ring Magazine. Two gold stardards that are above your drirvel. Are they real world enough for you?

Man, you even ignored the question, what exactly for Vit the Klit deserved the induction. Cause the scalps of Sanders, Peter, Adamek, Arreola, Chisora aren't really an argumnt for that, aren't they?

I was talking to Billy. But to directly answer your question, VK deserves induction because:



He is 8-2 vs. top ten Ring Magazine contenders.

He was the Ring Magazine Heavyweight champion

He owns one of the highest all time knock out percentages at 91.1%.

He successfully came back at 37, after four years off with no fights and won his title, an ultra rare feat.

He was never floored by a punch or took a standing 8 count. One of two heavyweight champions to accomplish this.

He owns the best rounds one and rounds lost in the history of the official scorecard among the heavyweight champions.



Still extrapolating? He was inducted by a panel of hall of fame votes in his first year of eligibility and was the leading vote getter in his class.

If I ask you a question of why, do you best reply, Dr. Duke. You are welcome to fact check this.

[pound per pound]

NM

[pound per pound]

Man, you even ignored the question, what exactly for Vit the Klit deserved the induction. Cause the scalps of Sanders, Peter, Adamek, Arreola, Chisora aren't really an argumnt for that, aren't they?

I was talking to Billy. But to directly answer your question, VK deserves induction because:



He is 8-2 vs. top ten Ring Magazine contenders.

He was the Ring Magazine Heavyweight champion

He owns one of the highest all time knock out percentages at 91.1%.

He successfully came back at 37, after four years off with no fights and won his title, an ultra rare feat.

He was never floored by a punch or took a standing 8 count. One of two heavyweight champions to accomplish this.

He owns the best rounds one and rounds lost in the history of the official scorecards among the heavyweight champions.



Still extrapolating? He was inducted by a panel of hall of fame votes in his first year of eligibility and was the leading vote getter in his class.

If I ask you a question of why, do you best reply, Dr. Duke. You are welcome to fact check this.

[DrDuke]

Oh, I can. You too much of hater to listen.

I use good back drop examples like the Boxing Hall of Fame, and Ring Magazine. Two gold stardards that are above your drirvel. Are they real world enough for you?

Man, you even ignored the question, what exactly for Vit the Klit deserved the induction. Cause the scalps of Sanders, Peter, Adamek, Arreola, Chisora aren't really an argumnt for that, aren't they?

I was talking to Billy. But to directly answer your question, VK deserves induction because:



He is 8-2 vs. top then Ring Magazine contenders.

He was the Ring Magazine Heavyweight champion

He owns one of the highest all time knock out percentages at 91.1%.

He successfully came back at 37, after four years off with no fights and won his title, an ultra rare feat.

He was never floored by a punch or took a standing 8 count. One of two heavyweight champions to accomplish this.

He owns the best rounds one and rounds lost in the history of the official scorecard among the heavyweight champions.



Still extrapolating? He was inducted by a panel of hall of fame votes in his first year of eligibility and was the leading vote getter in his class.

If I ask you a question of why, do you best reply, Dr. Duke. You are welcome to fact check this.

This fact check is a pure example of misleading statistics. Vitali did all those stats against the lesser opposition. The lesser even not only in a comparison to the other eras, but even to his brother's resume.

The WBC reign was given a role of a minor-title belt-holding for our Vit the Klit. The best available opponents weren't Arreola, Adamek, Kevin Johnson, etc.

The strongest boxers of those times were Povetkin, Byrd, Haye, Chagaev. It was Vit's lil' brother, who handled them and left the remains for Vit's great stats.

[pound per pound]

Man, you even ignored the question, what exactly for Vit the Klit deserved the induction. Cause the scalps of Sanders, Peter, Adamek, Arreola, Chisora aren't really an argumnt for that, aren't they?

I was talking to Billy. But to directly answer your question, VK deserves induction because:



He is 8-2 vs. top then Ring Magazine contenders.

He was the Ring Magazine Heavyweight champion

He owns one of the highest all time knock out percentages at 91.1%.

He successfully came back at 37, after four years off with no fights and won his title, an ultra rare feat.

He was never floored by a punch or took a standing 8 count. One of two heavyweight champions to accomplish this.

He owns the best rounds one and rounds lost in the history of the official scorecard among the heavyweight champions.



Still extrapolating? He was inducted by a panel of hall of fame votes in his first year of eligibility and was the leading vote getter in his class.

If I ask you a question of why, do you best reply, Dr. Duke. You are welcome to fact check this.

This fact check is a pure example of misleading statistics. Vitali did all those stats against the lesser opposition. The lesser even not only in a comparison to the other eras, but even to his brother's resume.

The WBC reign was given a role of a minor-title belt-holding for our Vit the Klit. The best available opponents weren't Arreola, Adamek, Kevin Johnson, etc.

The strongest boxers of those times were Povetkin, Byrd, Haye, Chagaev. It was Vit's lil' brother, who handled them and left the remains for Vit's great stats.

It appears you don't like the facts which are not mine, but yours and everybodys. Sanders beat Wlad better than anyone. VK beat him. Adamek was the #3 ring rated guy when VK easily beat him. Peter was the #1 rated man, and he had a good fight vs Wlad. VK easily beat him too.

Stop it , Dr. Duke. You are insulting the WBC. At the very least you attack the WBO, which VK held too.

I think I'm done with you. You have been correctled enough. There is little upside in continuing..

[DrDuke]

I was talking to Billy. But to directly answer your question, VK deserves induction because:



He is 8-2 vs. top then Ring Magazine contenders.

He was the Ring Magazine Heavyweight champion

He owns one of the highest all time knock out percentages at 91.1%.

He successfully came back at 37, after four years off with no fights and won his title, an ultra rare feat.

He was never floored by a punch or took a standing 8 count. One of two heavyweight champions to accomplish this.

He owns the best rounds one and rounds lost in the history of the official scorecard among the heavyweight champions.



Still extrapolating? He was inducted by a panel of hall of fame votes in his first year of eligibility and was the leading vote getter in his class.

If I ask you a question of why, do you best reply, Dr. Duke. You are welcome to fact check this.

This fact check is a pure example of misleading statistics. Vitali did all those stats against the lesser opposition. The lesser even not only in a comparison to the other eras, but even to his brother's resume.

The WBC reign was given a role of a minor-title belt-holding for our Vit the Klit. The best available opponents weren't Arreola, Adamek, Kevin Johnson, etc.

The strongest boxers of those times were Povetkin, Byrd, Haye, Chagaev. It was Vit's lil' brother, who handled them and left the remains for Vit's great stats.

It appears you don't like the facts which are not mine, but yours and everybodys. Sanders beat Wlad better than anyone. VK beat him. Adamek was the #3 ring rated guy when VK easily beat him. Peter was the #1 rated man, and he had a good fight vs Wlad. VK easily beat him too.

Stop it , Dr. Duke. You are insulting the WBC. At the very least you attack the WBO, which VK held too.

I think I'm done with you. You have been correctled enough. There is little upside in continuing..

If Sanders is the best opponent to be in the HoF, what's the value ofthis HoF?

[Riddick Bowie]

Imagine having to cite Tomas Adamek as evidence your guy is an all time great heavyweight.

What strange psyches these Klit fans have. 'I really enjoy watching the heavily favoured giant beating up small overmatched opponents! That's my idea of sport!'

It's cognitively subnormal, borderline non-human.

[Jaywheel]

Careful there, you might insult the WBC again

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- Nice to see the Kbro emasculates all singing in soprano again as this ol'world keeps on churning out mayhem.

Working back, preHOFer Wlad age 41 w/2yrs absence gave future HOFer juggernaut AJ his toughest, most exciting bout with knockdown exchanges complete with a premature stoppage by the ref.

Future HOFer Fury shat himself over the Wlad rematch revelations that BBBc lost the plot by withholding a previous positive drug test that resulted in a belated suspension.

Wlad traveled to deadly hostile Moscow in front of Putin to cap off undefeated Povetkin who has a good chance of HOF with his brilliant KO of rampaging Whyte in the UK. along with his top 10 Ring rankings.

Tony Thompson was a widely ducked lefty with a stellar record who was top Ring 10 for a duration. He KOed touted prospects in their backyard to finish his career.

David Haye was a touted Ring P4Per champ in two divisions who was thoroughly mullered also future HOFer.. tankiRuslan Chagaev an undefeated Russian Champ thoroughly mullered a future HOFer.

All these fighters thus far been high in Ring rankings in their day, but undefeated Russian Champ Sultan Ibragimov retired after being fully whipped, so in spite of embarrassing HOF Field, too short a career for HOF.

Whipped Lefty Chis Byrd twice for Vitali, which calls to mind Wlad whipped the most lefty Hvys in history by a long shot, and so need I remind our Soprano Glee Club that once lefties were allowed their natural stances they now predominate as a % over their sparse numbers in boxing.

Samuel Peter was a raging, undefeated clubbing Tank when Wlad beat him after the rest of the top heavies were ducking him. As the first Nigerian heavy champ, likely HOFer.

Corrie Sanders a lefty legend on ye aulde AOL boards gave the Ks all they could handle in spite of boxing only being a hobby because of SAfrican global boycotts that had him making his $$$ playing Rugby and Pro Golf, one of the best all around athletes in boxing history if not the best died a heroes death eventually gets in.

Primo Carnera one of the most legendary Hvys of his day with a record vastly more prolific than the HOFers he fought still not in, a stain on the HOF committees over the years. He was additionally robbed by the ref in the Baer fight who never enforced the neutral corner KD rule that robbed Dempsey of his KO of Tunney in the first fight, but what would modern castratos know about boxing history?

NADA

[keithmoonhangover]

- Nice to see the Kbro emasculates all singing in soprano again as this ol'world keeps on churning out mayhem.

Working back, preHOFer Wlad age 41 w/2yrs absence gave future HOFer juggernaut AJ his toughest, most exciting bout with knockdown exchanges complete with a premature stoppage by the ref.

Future HOFer Fury shat himself over the Wlad rematch revelations that BBBc lost the plot by withholding a previous positive drug test that resulted in a belated suspension.

Wlad traveled to deadly hostile Moscow in front of Putin to cap off undefeated Povetkin who has a good chance of HOF with his brilliant KO of rampaging Whyte in the UK. along with his top 10 Ring rankings.

Tony Thompson was a widely ducked lefty with a stellar record who was top Ring 10 for a duration. He KOed touted prospects in their backyard to finish his career.

David Haye was a touted Ring P4Per champ in two divisions who was thoroughly mullered also future HOFer.. tankiRuslan Chagaev an undefeated Russian Champ thoroughly mullered a future HOFer.

All these fighters thus far been high in Ring rankings in their day, but undefeated Russian Champ Sultan Ibragimov retired after being fully whipped, so in spite of embarrassing HOF Field, too short a career for HOF.

Whipped Lefty Chis Byrd twice for Vitali, which calls to mind Wlad whipped the most lefty Hvys in history by a long shot, and so need I remind our Soprano Glee Club that once lefties were allowed their natural stances they now predominate as a % over their sparse numbers in boxing.

Samuel Peter was a raging, undefeated clubbing Tank when Wlad beat him after the rest of the top heavies were ducking him. As the first Nigerian heavy champ, likely HOFer.

Corrie Sanders a lefty legend on ye aulde AOL boards gave the Ks all they could handle in spite of boxing only being a hobby because of SAfrican global boycotts that had him making his $$$ playing Rugby and Pro Golf, one of the best all around athletes in boxing history if not the best died a heroes death eventually gets in.

Primo Carnera one of the most legendary Hvys of his day with a record vastly more prolific than the HOFers he fought still not in, a stain on the HOF committees over the years. He was additionally robbed by the ref in the Baer fight who never enforced the neutral corner KD rule that robbed Dempsey of his KO of Tunney in the first fight, but what would modern castratos know about boxing history?

NADA

Broughton. If I may, where do you rank Ali in your top ten heavyweights of all time?

[Flump]

- Nice to see the Kbro emasculates all singing in soprano again as this ol'world keeps on churning out mayhem.

Working back, preHOFer Wlad age 41 w/2yrs absence gave future HOFer juggernaut AJ his toughest, most exciting bout with knockdown exchanges complete with a premature stoppage by the ref.

Future HOFer Fury shat himself over the Wlad rematch revelations that BBBc lost the plot by withholding a previous positive drug test that resulted in a belated suspension.

Wlad traveled to deadly hostile Moscow in front of Putin to cap off undefeated Povetkin who has a good chance of HOF with his brilliant KO of rampaging Whyte in the UK. along with his top 10 Ring rankings.

Tony Thompson was a widely ducked lefty with a stellar record who was top Ring 10 for a duration. He KOed touted prospects in their backyard to finish his career.

David Haye was a touted Ring P4Per champ in two divisions who was thoroughly mullered also future HOFer.. tankiRuslan Chagaev an undefeated Russian Champ thoroughly mullered a future HOFer.

All these fighters thus far been high in Ring rankings in their day, but undefeated Russian Champ Sultan Ibragimov retired after being fully whipped, so in spite of embarrassing HOF Field, too short a career for HOF.

Whipped Lefty Chis Byrd twice for Vitali, which calls to mind Wlad whipped the most lefty Hvys in history by a long shot, and so need I remind our Soprano Glee Club that once lefties were allowed their natural stances they now predominate as a % over their sparse numbers in boxing.

Samuel Peter was a raging, undefeated clubbing Tank when Wlad beat him after the rest of the top heavies were ducking him. As the first Nigerian heavy champ, likely HOFer.

Corrie Sanders a lefty legend on ye aulde AOL boards gave the Ks all they could handle in spite of boxing only being a hobby because of SAfrican global boycotts that had him making his $$$ playing Rugby and Pro Golf, one of the best all around athletes in boxing history if not the best died a heroes death eventually gets in.

Primo Carnera one of the most legendary Hvys of his day with a record vastly more prolific than the HOFers he fought still not in, a stain on the HOF committees over the years. He was additionally robbed by the ref in the Baer fight who never enforced the neutral corner KD rule that robbed Dempsey of his KO of Tunney in the first fight, but what would modern castratos know about boxing history?

NADA

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