Beterbiev vs RJJ , who wins this ?

[apollo creed]

I think it'd be a very hard fight for both. Peak vs Peak.

[The Gratest]

RJJ UD.
(The RJJ who moved up to LH rather then the version dropping back down from HW)

[apollo creed]

RJJ UD.
(The RJJ who moved up to LH rather then the version dropping back down from HW)

Roy should've stayed at lhw. Moving up after that hw title-opportunity was a bad move. He could have enhanced even more his legacy with more wins just staying at lhw.

[goose 5]

Beterbiev- too much pressure and power. RJJ reduced to survival mode

[margaret thatcher]

rjj at his peak lhw form is too much, special special fighter. would outspeed bert and win a decision

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Jones too quick for just about anyone

[Noxy]

Jones

[ace_of_clubs]

RJJ UD.
(The RJJ who moved up to LH rather then the version dropping back down from HW)

Roy should've stayed at lhw. Moving up after that hw title-opportunity was a bad move. He could have enhanced even more his legacy with more wins just staying at lhw.

If Roy would have retired after the Ruiz Title fight he would of had a strong argument as the Goat.

[DrDuke]

RJJ UD.
(The RJJ who moved up to LH rather then the version dropping back down from HW)

Roy should've stayed at lhw. Moving up after that hw title-opportunity was a bad move. He could have enhanced even more his legacy with more wins just staying at lhw.

If Roy would have retired after the Ruiz Title fight he would of had a strong argument as the Goat.

Hardly. His past-prime loss don't affect his previous legacy. Jones isn't in the argument to be GOAT in any case.

[squiggy]

RJJ about 117-111 unless A.B. knocks him spark out -- which would be a real possibility.

[Baby Face Finster]

RJJ UD.
(The RJJ who moved up to LH rather then the version dropping back down from HW)

Roy should've stayed at lhw. Moving up after that hw title-opportunity was a bad move. He could have enhanced even more his legacy with more wins just staying at lhw.

If Roy would have retired after the Ruiz Title fight he would of had a strong argument as the Goat.

RJJ avoided a Hopkins rematch along with the Dariusz Michalczewski fight at Light Heavy to unify the titles. Hardly the actions of someone deserving to be called The Goat.

[ace_of_clubs]

Roy should've stayed at lhw. Moving up after that hw title-opportunity was a bad move. He could have enhanced even more his legacy with more wins just staying at lhw.

If Roy would have retired after the Ruiz Title fight he would of had a strong argument as the Goat.

RJJ avoided a Hopkins rematch along with the Dariusz Michalczewski fight at Light Heavy to unify the titles. Hardly the actions of someone deserving to be called The Goat.

I never called Roy the Goat. I was making the point that if Roy would have retired right after the Ruiz fight when he won a World Title at Heavyweight he would of had a strong argument. Unfortunately for Roy he stayed for too long and tarnished his legacy some. Great career for sure and ranks as the best Light Heavyweight of all-time on my list and in the top 10 P4P all time but not #1.

[pound per pound]

Styles make fights. And there is such a thing as a fighter's best weight which for Roy was 168 ... off steroids. Was Roy Jones past it at 35??? Slightly.

Did Roy have a glass jaw? Chins are best tested when hit. Yes, he had something of a glass jaw.

Beterbiev would be the hardest punching man he ever fought and had the worst style for Jones to deal with. That is an agressive forward mover type. He'd never take this fight, but if he did he is the loser three times out of five.

[goose 5]

I agree completely-Jones would never fight Beterbiev.

[ace_of_clubs]

Styles make fights. And there is such a thing as a fighter's best weight which for Roy was 168 ... off steroids. Was Roy Jones past it at 35??? Slightly.

Did Roy have a glass jaw? Chins are best tested when hit. Yes, he had something of a glass jaw.

Beterbiev would be the hardest punching man he ever fought and had the worst style for Jones to deal with. That is an agressive forward mover type. He'd never take this fight, but if he did he is the loser three times out of five.

It didn't help that Roy went to Heavyweight then dropped all the way back down to 175 to fight Tarver when it comes to taking punches. He got touched up pretty good in the first Tarver fight and that while weight drained had a permanent effect on his brain. He still edged it though and should have called it a day. I do agree that 168 could of been the best Roy.

[apollo creed]

Styles make fights. And there is such a thing as a fighter's best weight which for Roy was 168 ... off steroids. Was Roy Jones past it at 35??? Slightly.

Did Roy have a glass jaw? Chins are best tested when hit. Yes, he had something of a glass jaw.

Beterbiev would be the hardest punching man he ever fought and had the worst style for Jones to deal with. That is an agressive forward mover type. He'd never take this fight, but if he did he is the loser three times out of five.

It would be a tough fight for both, thats for sure. Its very difficult to keep a fighter like Artur at bay. Artur is a master of cutting off the ring and positioning for the attack. Roy would have the better chances to win by decision but I'd not count out a stoppage victory by Artur too.

[apollo creed]

Styles make fights. And there is such a thing as a fighter's best weight which for Roy was 168 ... off steroids. Was Roy Jones past it at 35??? Slightly.

Did Roy have a glass jaw? Chins are best tested when hit. Yes, he had something of a glass jaw.

Beterbiev would be the hardest punching man he ever fought and had the worst style for Jones to deal with. That is an agressive forward mover type. He'd never take this fight, but if he did he is the loser three times out of five.

It didn't help that Roy went to Heavyweight then dropped all the way back down to 175 to fight Tarver when it comes to taking punches. He got touched up pretty good in the first Tarver fight and that while weight drained had a permanent effect on his brain. He still edged it though and should have called it a day. I do agree that 168 could of been the best Roy.

That jump up at HW and then dropping back to lhw definitely affected his body. At 168 RJJ was truly unstoppable. Indeed if he retired immediately after that fight at hw, his legacy would've been incredible.

[ace_of_clubs]

Styles make fights. And there is such a thing as a fighter's best weight which for Roy was 168 ... off steroids. Was Roy Jones past it at 35??? Slightly.

Did Roy have a glass jaw? Chins are best tested when hit. Yes, he had something of a glass jaw.

Beterbiev would be the hardest punching man he ever fought and had the worst style for Jones to deal with. That is an agressive forward mover type. He'd never take this fight, but if he did he is the loser three times out of five.

It didn't help that Roy went to Heavyweight then dropped all the way back down to 175 to fight Tarver when it comes to taking punches. He got touched up pretty good in the first Tarver fight and that while weight drained had a permanent effect on his brain. He still edged it though and should have called it a day. I do agree that 168 could of been the best Roy.

That jump up at HW and then dropping back to lhw definitely affected his body. At 168 RJJ was truly unstoppable. Indeed if he retired immediately after that fight at hw, his legacy would've been incredible.

I agree 100%

[TempleSlave]

Prime vs prime, is that a serious question? OK: RJJ, wide UD, without even having to switch past 2nd gear.

[Cent0089]

I slightly favor Beterbiev. If Tarver can Beat Jones, Beterbiev can too. Especially with VADA testing

[apollo creed]

I slightly favor Beterbiev. If Tarver can Beat Jones, Beterbiev can too. Especially with VADA testing

What kind of ped testing was back then in the 80's or 90's ? It was a strict rule or it was optional ? Some of the legendary fighters were suspected to be roided to the gills, What they used back then ?

[JCS]

I slightly favor Beterbiev. If Tarver can Beat Jones, Beterbiev can too. Especially with VADA testing

Tarver beat 2004 Jones. Could Beterbiev beat late 90s Jones? I don't know.

[Lackeos]

RJJ avoided a Hopkins rematch along with the Dariusz Michalczewski fight at Light Heavy to unify the titles. Hardly the actions of someone deserving to be called The Goat.

More like Michalczewski avoided Roy. And Hopkins was 2 divisions below Roy, unwilling to move up to meet him.

[Baby Face Finster]

RJJ avoided a Hopkins rematch along with the Dariusz Michalczewski fight at Light Heavy to unify the titles. Hardly the actions of someone deserving to be called The Goat.

More like Michalczewski avoided Roy. And Hopkins was 2 divisions below Roy, unwilling to move up to meet him.

Chicken Roy...bok bok bok! Avoided Dariusz like the plague.

[Roars Like Me]

RJJ all day and twice on Sundays.... Beter is all power and good on him but faced with Roy's skills, only one winner...if Callum Johnson can put Beterbiev on his arse with a punch he could see coming...how is he going to deal with Roy...