a force wrote: ↑12 Oct 2024, 04:34
One of his key lieutenants Sean McGovern has just been arrested in Dubai. It seems to be taking forever but it feels like the nets slowly closing.
I’d still love to see everyone who was connected, the likes of Sam Jones & Ben Davison eventually get their comeuppance.
what did ben davidson do that was illegal?
Nothing on record but during the big love in he did say "I spent plenty of time with Daniel, his family, and spoke business with him, I heard nothing about drug dealing or murder" which was like just say nothing??? No wonder between that , trying to start dealing in America, and being "shout out" on National TV that the empire would begin to crumble
a force wrote: ↑12 Oct 2024, 04:34
One of his key lieutenants Sean McGovern has just been arrested in Dubai. It seems to be taking forever but it feels like the nets slowly closing.
I’d still love to see everyone who was connected, the likes of Sam Jones & Ben Davison eventually get their comeuppance.
what did ben davidson do that was illegal?
Nothing on record but during the big love in he did say "I spent plenty of time with Daniel, his family, and spoke business with him, I heard nothing about drug dealing or murder" which was like just say nothing??? No wonder between that , trying to start dealing in America, and being "shout out" on National TV that the empire would begin to crumble
Looks like Boxercise has nothing to worry about, difficult to prove that by saying they were talking business that they were talking about something illegal rather than boxing
Nothing on record but during the big love in he did say "I spent plenty of time with Daniel, his family, and spoke business with him, I heard nothing about drug dealing or murder" which was like just say nothing??? No wonder between that , trying to start dealing in America, and being "shout out" on National TV that the empire would begin to crumble
Looks like Boxercise has nothing to worry about, difficult to prove that by saying they were talking business that they were talking about something illegal rather than boxing
Has he been in America since the sanctions?? Was he one of the named affiliates?
Nothing on record but during the big love in he did say "I spent plenty of time with Daniel, his family, and spoke business with him, I heard nothing about drug dealing or murder" which was like just say nothing??? No wonder between that , trying to start dealing in America, and being "shout out" on National TV that the empire would begin to crumble
Looks like Boxercise has nothing to worry about, difficult to prove that by saying they were talking business that they were talking about something illegal rather than boxing
Of course, legally , but it's just the ones who say "Yeah I visited the "working class Irish man" in a bit a luxury apartment in Dubai or a private jet, or some compound where you get anything you want and promises of big promotion for little.money, and think he's doing great for the little guy" that money comes from somewhere
All charmers
Some of this show was based on real life incidents in the last few decades of Irish crime, Crumlin/Drimagh (including the Byrne's and Thompson the Kinahan enforcer for Crumin this is actually a good little scene of how Dissidents and Dealers got along, The ground would have incidents like this at the time when the Kinahans could still be seen on Irish streets
You think the fella shot in London was a bad man, Rattigan who stabbed Byrns friend to death in front of him (David Byrn claimed to see nothing) led to a feud that separate from the Hutch-Kinahan feud took
"By 2000 a group of young friends from Crumlin, Drimnagh and the south inner city had graduated from stealing cars and street dealing to become major suppliers of drugs in South Dublin. They developed contacts with a major Irish drugs trafficker in Spain who supplied them with cocaine, ecstasy and cannabis. Many of the shipments he delivered to Ireland also included guns which were later used in the feud.[1] Martin "Marlo" Hyland, a major organised crime figure from North Dublin also supplied guns to one of the feuding factions.[2]
On 9 March 2000 at the Holiday Inn on Pearse Street, three members of the gang were arrested with 2 kg of cocaine and 49,000 ecstasy tablets. All three refused to co-operate with investigating detectives. Declan Gavin, 20, a senior member of the gang was released after two days of questioning without being charged because he wasn't actually in the room with the drugs when Gardaí entered. The other two junior members of the gang, who were in the room, were charged with possession of cocaine and ecstasy with intent to supply. Graham "the wig" Whelan was one of them. Although there is no evidence to suggest Gavin was an informer he was immediately labelled a "rat" by some gang members. This resulted in the gang splitting into two rival factions with Freddie Thompson, from Loreto Road in Maryland, leading one group and Brian Rattigan, from Cooley Road in Drimnagh, leading the other.
Casualties
Deaths
16
Arrested
4
The first victim of the feud was Declan Gavin who was murdered in August 2001. He was stabbed to death outside an Abrakebabra fast food restaurant in Crumlin by a masked man who escaped in a getaway car driven by an accomplice. The next killed was Joseph Rattigan, 18, brother of gang leader Brian. He was shot dead on Cooley Road in Drimnagh in July 2002. In 2003 Brian Rattigan was arrested for shooting at Gardaí in their patrol car as they pursued the car Rattigan was travelling in. Although Rattigan received a 13-year prison sentence for this incident, he continued to control the gang from his prison cell.
Paul Warren, 24, who was a suspect in Joseph Rattigan's murder, was shot dead in a public house in Newmarket Square in February 2004. While Warren was drinking, two masked and armed men came into the pub, one stood at the front door guarding customers, while the other chased Warren in to the toilets and shot him twice, once in the face. Brian Rattigan was suspected of organizing the hit from prison using a mobile phone.
2005-2007
John Roche, 25, from Crumlin and a suspect in the Warren hit, was shot dead as he walked to his apartment in Kilmainham in March 2005. There were three killings in two days in November 2005 beginning with Darren Geoghegan, 26, from Drimnagh, and Gavin Byrne, 30, from Crumlin. Both men, who were senior members of the Thompson faction, were shot dead as they sat in a Lexus car in Firhouse after being lured to a meeting. Two days later Noel Roche, a brother of John, was shot dead as he sat in traffic on Clontarf Road. His driver escaped unharmed.[6]
Wayne Zambra, 21, was shot dead as he sat in his car on Cameron Street in August 2006.[7] A month later Gary Bryan, 31, was shot dead as he worked on a car outside his girlfriend's house in Walkinstown.[8] Both men were part of the Rattigan faction. Three months later in December 2006, Eddie McCabe, 21, was tortured and beaten to death after he was abducted by Rattigan gang members. His mutilated body was dumped in a lane way in Inchicore.[1]
On 5 October 2007 Brian Downes, 40, and Edward Ward, 24, were shot dead outside a car dealership garage owned by Downes in Walkinstown. Gardaí suspect Downes, who provided false number plates and untraceable cars used in gangland murders and who had been arrested in connection with John Roche's murder, was the intended target and Ward, who had no connection to the feud, was killed to prevent him recognising the killer. Edward Ward was an innocent victim who left a wife and two daughters behind. There has been no convictions for this murder.[9]
*2008 onwards*
Shay O'Byrne, 27, was shot dead in front of his girlfriend (Brian Rattigan's sister) by a masked gunman outside their home in Tallaght in March 2009.
There was a grenade attack on the home of a Thompson gang member on Knockarea Avenue in Drimnagh in June 2008. Despite extensive damage to the front of the house, there were no injuries to the five adults and one child inside at the time. Gardaí suspect the attack was linked to two other shootings days previously, one where a grandmother in her 50s was shot and injured in the shoulder.
In July 2009, Anthony Cannon, 26, from Robert Street in the south inner city, was shot several times in the head in front of women and children at St. Mary's Avenue in Ballyfermot, west Dublin. His killer escaped on a motorcycle with an accomplice. Cannon, who was a senior member of the Rattigan gang, was wearing a bullet proof vest when he died and was a suspect in over a dozen serious incidents linked to the feud in the year before his death
Coco wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 19:17
Are you trying to convince us that Boxercise is a criminal or Kinahan?
No he's a hanger on, he's profited for it without a doubt, but the criminal, the significant one is Donkey Kong
What proof have you got?
There are rumours that Kinahan paid off another trainer for accidentally getting shot.
But it's Boxercise you are after yeah?
Jamie Moore was paid off by getting to train Frampton and getting Breaks on fees, like Frampton, never paid MTK a coin in management money, big it was like they had other bigger sources of income at the time
Just a shot of the aftermath of Gavins fate, the first in a long 20 plus year line of deaths over druv money Irish , didn't take the K Wholesalers long to barge in. But it's been a tough few years, taking on opponents they didn't respect and underestinated,
David Byrne was present, with Declan Gavin, said "Never saw nuttin", would continue his career criminality and would be shot at the Regency 15 years later by Hutch hitmen
No he's a hanger on, he's profited for it without a doubt, but the criminal, the significant one is Donkey Kong
What proof have you got?
There are rumours that Kinahan paid off another trainer for accidentally getting shot.
But it's Boxercise you are after yeah?
Jamie Moore was paid off by getting to train Frampton and getting Breaks on fees, like Frampton, never paid MTK a coin in management money, big it was like they had other bigger sources of income at the time
There are rumours that Kinahan paid off another trainer for accidentally getting shot.
But it's Boxercise you are after yeah?
Jamie Moore was paid off by getting to train Frampton and getting Breaks on fees, like Frampton, never paid MTK a coin in management money, big it was like they had other bigger sources of income at the time
Like they were world class pro boxers?
MTK didn't charge them anything, like they were a big organised crime gang making bigger money from other means
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Poor young plumber Anthony Campbell was doing a job in Marlo Hylands kitchen when his enemies( many suspect tipped off by his friends, or even hit by them) arrived , Hyland was sleeping and was shot dead, Campbell ..well, wrong place wrong time?? His family said he was in the right place at the right time, doing his job, just oblivious to the fact that the "client" was an increasingly paranoid and psychotic drugdealing gangboss/ hitman, and although he had many enemies from last activities, it is most strongly suspected his own gang were the killers.
"Death
On the night of 11 December 2006, Hyland, who had access to several properties and never stayed at the same place two nights in a row, stayed at the home of his niece in Scribblestown Park, Finglas. Just before 9am the next morning, after his niece had left to take her daughter to school, two gunmen entered the house. Hyland was sleeping in a bedroom upstairs while 20-year-old Anthony Campbell, an apprentice plumber who had called to the house earlier to work on a faulty radiator, was downstairs. One of the gunmen held Anthony Campbell downstairs while the other crept up the stairs and shot Hyland twice in the head and four times in the back as he slept.[14] Before they left they also shot the innocent Campbell once in the head, killing him instantly.
Despite Gardaí suspecting the killers were two of Hyland's most trusted lieutenants, no one has been convicted of the double murder. Eamon Dunne, who drove the getaway car for Hyland's killers, effectively took control of the gang soon after. Dunne was linked to over a dozen gangland murders over the next three years before he himself was shot dead at a pub in Cabra in April 2010.[19] "'
Dunne was extremely psychotic himself even towards his own gang, even more so than Hyland, and his men were suspected of involvemenf, his armed body guard stood up and walked away as Dunne was shot several times at close rangs in the Cabra pub, another gunman guarded the customers from making any moves
Coco wrote: ↑27 Oct 2024, 20:45
Are you just posting random Irish gangland press clips for the fun of it? Or there is a point?
Are you putting all this on Boxercise?
Have you just got back from the pub yeah?
Remember this is a boxing forum
Just a reminder of what was whitewashed about these guys considering the furore over an armed gangster being shot in London while these were all the guys lapping around with top boxers, and kind of a six degrees of separation thing
David Byrne is related to Thompson's and was friends with Declan Gavin, and was present at his murder all the way back in 01, at this he said he saw nothing, a lifetime later Byrne is a top Kinahan man and was shot dead at the Regency weigh in,, McGregor made sure to wear his best shark skin suit or whatever to his funeral
The hypocrisy of these lads is just fascinating . I do think Daniels tenure in boxing is another busted flush so pretty soon I'll probably agree that we won't be relevant , but he still is for now
Daniel couldn't release the one he did with James English huddled away in Dubai and English was working for that one for a few years giving stone massages to Kinahan associates on the charm offensive, Hutches trial is over so he can speak pretty freely. Daniel just seems like a nepo baby who took his daddy's connections and money and wanted to be in with the boxers and now could bring the whole thing down
Yet the iconic thing is , give it 40 years and every irishman will be telling the story of how there Da knew Daniel very well , How the 45 year old man claims to be a good freind even though they were only 10 when they died ,
Pretty much like now even here in Australia , , i know around 5 or 6 Londoners who claim there dad was a mate of the twins , they were pretty populsr blokes for a pair of murdering crims , who ruled by fear
coneye wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024, 16:07
Yet the iconic thing is , give it 40 years and every irishman will be telling the story of how there Da knew Daniel very well , How the 45 year old man claims to be a good freind even though they were only 10 when they died ,
Pretty much like now even here in Australia , , i know around 5 or 6 Londoners who claim there dad was a mate of the twins , they were pretty populsr blokes for a pair of murdering crims , who ruled by fear
“They loved their mum”
“The days when you could leave your back door unlocked”
And my old favourite… “yeah me Pa/uncle/ etc was in The ‘ol Blind Beggar that night”. The Blind Beggar - the largest pub in the world. I’ve met at least 10 people who “was there mate”. I’m sure many of you can confirm this is standard amongst those that walk amongst us in the South East.
coneye wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024, 16:07
Yet the iconic thing is , give it 40 years and every irishman will be telling the story of how there Da knew Daniel very well , How the 45 year old man claims to be a good freind even though they were only 10 when they died ,
Pretty much like now even here in Australia , , i know around 5 or 6 Londoners who claim there dad was a mate of the twins , they were pretty populsr blokes for a pair of murdering crims , who ruled by fear
“They loved their mum”
“The days when you could leave your back door unlocked”
And my old favourite… “yeah me Pa/uncle/ etc was in The ‘ol Blind Beggar that night”. The Blind Beggar - the largest pub in the world. I’ve met at least 10 people who “was there mate”. I’m sure many of you can confirm this is standard amongst those that walk amongst us in the South East.
Which one was the one where you certainly were not safe leaving your back door open, Ronnie?? Raping blokes left right and centre
Did they have any significant feuds other than them Richardson brothers ??
Barbara Windsor loved them because her husband was an associate, and Peggy Mitchell and The Mitchell brothers were supposed to be like a Kray-lite thing with the "loving" (later described as a very strange, disturbingly close and domineering)relationship
The story is actually the same, they were admired as "anti-establishment rebels who made it through poverty" who looked after the poor, when they were a pair of vain bullies who extorted what they could through the bogus protection rackets (we'll make sure your shop doesn't get smashed up by no good hooligans..... That's us if you don't pay) had convenient establishment connections and loved hobnobbing with celebrities. Hilariously one of the contemporary criticisms of the Krays wasn't even that they were thugs but that they were not of true English stock, "Jewish and Romany, not really English "
Stevie Gerrard is best mates with Liam Byrne and their kids are going out together he was even told probably best not to keep getting snaps with these lunatics and for God's sake keep your daughter away from them, but he's not new to the gangster scene is Stevie as the English lads will know, they all know each other in the big crime scene
coneye wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024, 16:07
Yet the iconic thing is , give it 40 years and every irishman will be telling the story of how there Da knew Daniel very well , How the 45 year old man claims to be a good freind even though they were only 10 when they died ,
Pretty much like now even here in Australia , , i know around 5 or 6 Londoners who claim there dad was a mate of the twins , they were pretty populsr blokes for a pair of murdering crims , who ruled by fear
“They loved their mum”
“The days when you could leave your back door unlocked”
And my old favourite… “yeah me Pa/uncle/ etc was in The ‘ol Blind Beggar that night”. The Blind Beggar - the largest pub in the world. I’ve met at least 10 people who “was there mate”. I’m sure many of you can confirm this is standard amongst those that walk amongst us in the South East.
Which one was the one where you certainly were not safe leaving your back door open, Ronnie?? Raping blokes left right and centre
Did they have any significant feuds other than them Richardson brothers ??
Barbara Windsor loved them because her husband was an associate, and Peggy Mitchell and The Mitchell brothers were supposed to be like a Kray-lite thing with the "loving" (later described as a very strange, disturbingly close and domineering)relationship
The story is actually the same, they were admired as "anti-establishment rebels who made it through poverty" who looked after the poor, when they were a pair of vain bullies who extorted what they could through the bogus protection rackets (we'll make sure your shop doesn't get smashed up by no good hooligans..... That's us if you don't pay) had convenient establishment connections and loved hobnobbing with celebrities. Hilariously one of the contemporary criticisms of the Krays wasn't even that they were thugs but that they were not of true English stock, "Jewish and Romany, not really English "
The more things change
Anyone unfamiliar with how deep the rot in the a British establishment is should read up about Ronnie Kray and Lord Boothby. Friends in very high places.
si7dog7 wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024, 17:43
“They loved their mum”
“The days when you could leave your back door unlocked”
And my old favourite… “yeah me Pa/uncle/ etc was in The ‘ol Blind Beggar that night”. The Blind Beggar - the largest pub in the world. I’ve met at least 10 people who “was there mate”. I’m sure many of you can confirm this is standard amongst those that walk amongst us in the South East.
Which one was the one where you certainly were not safe leaving your back door open, Ronnie?? Raping blokes left right and centre
Did they have any significant feuds other than them Richardson brothers ??
Barbara Windsor loved them because her husband was an associate, and Peggy Mitchell and The Mitchell brothers were supposed to be like a Kray-lite thing with the "loving" (later described as a very strange, disturbingly close and domineering)relationship
The story is actually the same, they were admired as "anti-establishment rebels who made it through poverty" who looked after the poor, when they were a pair of vain bullies who extorted what they could through the bogus protection rackets (we'll make sure your shop doesn't get smashed up by no good hooligans..... That's us if you don't pay) had convenient establishment connections and loved hobnobbing with celebrities. Hilariously one of the contemporary criticisms of the Krays wasn't even that they were thugs but that they were not of true English stock, "Jewish and Romany, not really English "
The more things change
Anyone unfamiliar with how deep the rot in the a British establishment is should read up about Ronnie Kray and Lord Boothby. Friends in very high places.
CIA have notes going back to days of yonder that have Lord Mountbatten marked as a fondness for the younguns, and a verbatim contemporary description of him as a "homosexual with a strange perversion for young boys" I believe that quote was attributed to an aristocratic or Royal "Lady" who didn't like Mountbatten, but the rumours and intelligence were rampant, next thing the Kincora Boys Home scandal (poor abused kids were thrown from a frying pan on the street into the depths of depravity and sexual sadism in a prison) had kids noticing on TV that Mountbatten was one of the many "honeytrapped" businessnesmen, loyalists, ministers, and "people of influence" who were given free pass to go at the boys but then didn't think too much at that time about being taped and blackmailed
I think Mountbattens crimes were about to be fully publicly exposed and MI5 and the Intelligence Corps took a sudden laissez faire attitude towards him insisting on going out on his boat in Ireland where there was a real chance he could be assassinated, which of course he was.
Instead of disgraced paedophile, perhaps we can make him a martyr if we get ahead quickly enough and he ends up tragically but defiantly dying in an IRA explosion, a war hero assassinated by terrorists.
King Charles favourite Uncle, now whispered in hushed tones
like just say nothing??? No wonder between that , trying to start dealing in America, and being "shout out" on National TV that the empire would begin to crumble
