turki bought ring magazine

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joshj909 wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 08:49 t
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 08:01
joshj909 wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 07:55

Many boxers might just retire or become inactive if they're going to get paid a fraction of what they were before.
A lot of boxers are taking much better fights.

Who knows where Bakole and Kabayel would be if it wasn't for Turki?

And we've fizzled out others like Efe, Sanchez and Makhmudov..

Although, they're stlil there.
And what happens if Turki pulls the money out or for some reason is unable to invest it after these guys have made millions. Will they go back to fighting for £100k? Because it's unsustainable for them to be paid what they're getting right now without making huge losses.

What about if someone refuses to call him His Excellency? Is he going to blacklist that guy who could be one of the top guys in the division?

What now happens to likes of Ajagba and Sanchez? Has he no interest or little interest in them despite being top 15 guys? Will he recycle them at all or will they be forgotten. He seems to have an interest in Fury, Usyk, Joshua, Dubois, Parker, Zhang and Chisora but who else is next?

There are just interesting questions in my opinion and the idea that there can only be a positive outcome is naive. It may be smooth sailing for fans and boxers alike but the boxing business rarely ever is.
Very good questions really.. Some of these guys will retired by then.

Let's see how long he lasts.
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joshj909 wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 08:49 t
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 08:01
joshj909 wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 07:55

Many boxers might just retire or become inactive if they're going to get paid a fraction of what they were before.
A lot of boxers are taking much better fights.

Who knows where Bakole and Kabayel would be if it wasn't for Turki?

And we've fizzled out others like Efe, Sanchez and Makhmudov..

Although, they're stlil there.
And what happens if Turki pulls the money out or for some reason is unable to invest it after these guys have made millions. Will they go back to fighting for £100k? Because it's unsustainable for them to be paid what they're getting right now without making huge losses.

What about if someone refuses to call him His Excellency? Is he going to blacklist that guy who could be one of the top guys in the division?

What now happens to likes of Ajagba and Sanchez? Has he no interest or little interest in them despite being top 15 guys? Will he recycle them at all or will they be forgotten. He seems to have an interest in Fury, Usyk, Joshua, Dubois, Parker, Zhang and Chisora but who else is next?

There are just interesting questions in my opinion and the idea that there can only be a positive outcome is naive. It may be smooth sailing for fans and boxers alike but the boxing business rarely ever is.
Yes that was my point - recycling the same names. He's not interested in Joyce even though he beat Parker and Dubios. Even when Joyce was going through that purple patch - didn't get the big fights.

You can add Wilder and Ngannou to the recycled names.
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keithmoonhangover wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 09:29
joshj909 wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 07:55
keithmoonhangover wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 07:33

Won't it just go back to the way it was? :maybe:
Many boxers might just retire or become inactive if they're going to get paid a fraction of what they were before.
So boxers earning more is a bad thing? :confused:
That's not the problem, it's when it goes away. What happens to the sport then? The sport will rely on one man's interests, his health, his wealth, his likes and dislikes. They may be a constant forever matching fan demands but it's unlikely they are. The moment all, one, or some, guys get kicked out of his club then they're faced with making 10% of what they were before or retiring with a nice sum earned even if they're only halfway through their career.
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The danger for me is that everyone throws their lot in with Turki - and it all becomes about PPV events on DAZN.

That could result in grassroots being neglected and no broadcaster with decent reach building stars from the ground up.

If Turki then decides to run home with the ball, things could get a bit bleak.
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joshj909 wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 11:22
keithmoonhangover wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 09:29
joshj909 wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 07:55

Many boxers might just retire or become inactive if they're going to get paid a fraction of what they were before.
So boxers earning more is a bad thing? :confused:
That's not the problem, it's when it goes away. What happens to the sport then? The sport will rely on one man's interests, his health, his wealth, his likes and dislikes. They may be a constant forever matching fan demands but it's unlikely they are. The moment all, one, or some, guys get kicked out of his club then they're faced with making 10% of what they were before or retiring with a nice sum earned even if they're only halfway through their career.
New money has always appeared in boxing though the years, that's why Ali fought in the Philippines, Malaysia and Zaire.

I'm going to have to disagree with you. I think Turki has done more good than bad for the sport.
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keithmoonhangover wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 12:57
joshj909 wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 11:22
keithmoonhangover wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 09:29

So boxers earning more is a bad thing? :confused:
That's not the problem, it's when it goes away. What happens to the sport then? The sport will rely on one man's interests, his health, his wealth, his likes and dislikes. They may be a constant forever matching fan demands but it's unlikely they are. The moment all, one, or some, guys get kicked out of his club then they're faced with making 10% of what they were before or retiring with a nice sum earned even if they're only halfway through their career.
New money has always appeared in boxing though the years, that's why Ali fought in the Philippines, Malaysia and Zaire.

I'm going to have to disagree with you. I think Turki has done more good than bad for the sport.
How are you disagreeing with me when that's nothing to do with what I said?

I'm talking about the unpredictable possibilities of the future of the sport, not it's current state. We know the positive consequences of Turki's plans but there may be negative ones too which we have not seen in full force yet.
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joshj909 wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 13:19
keithmoonhangover wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 12:57
joshj909 wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 11:22

That's not the problem, it's when it goes away. What happens to the sport then? The sport will rely on one man's interests, his health, his wealth, his likes and dislikes. They may be a constant forever matching fan demands but it's unlikely they are. The moment all, one, or some, guys get kicked out of his club then they're faced with making 10% of what they were before or retiring with a nice sum earned even if they're only halfway through their career.
New money has always appeared in boxing though the years, that's why Ali fought in the Philippines, Malaysia and Zaire.

I'm going to have to disagree with you. I think Turki has done more good than bad for the sport.
How are you disagreeing with me when that's nothing to do with what I said?

I'm talking about the unpredictable possibilities of the future of the sport, not it's current state. We know the positive consequences of Turki's plans but there may be negative ones too which we have not seen in full force yet.
I'm looking at the positives, (my opinion of what you've posted) is that you are not.
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tony1234 wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 07:29
Frostieballs wrote: 08 Nov 2024, 05:37 Boxing puts all of its eggs into the basket of one man funded by an oil state.

What could possibly go wrong.
It's worrying what will happen when it does go all wrong
What do you see going wrong?
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Turki Alalashikh wrote: "Earlier this week, I finalized a deal to acquire 100% of The Ring Magazine, and I want to make a few things clear, the print version of the magazine will return immediately after a two year hiatus, and it will be available in the US and UK markets. The magazine will be fully independent, with brilliant writers and focusing on every aspect in the sport of boxing. We will restore the legacy of The Ring Rankings to its old mechanism with a fully independent panel that lives up to the Ring Magazine’s golden era. We will continue to raise the prestige of The Ring Titles, and plans are already underway to have a yearly extravagant awards ceremony to celebrate the very best in the boxing industry. In the coming weeks, we intend to debut a brand new state of the art website and mobile app. We are already in development for a line of Ring Magazine merchandise. The Ring Magazine will be a fully independent company without any involvement from Riyadh Season. In the end, lets get the Bible of Boxing to heights that it has never seen in the past."
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 04:38 Turki Alalashikh wrote: "Earlier this week, I finalized a deal to acquire 100% of The Ring Magazine, and I want to make a few things clear, the print version of the magazine will return immediately after a two year hiatus, and it will be available in the US and UK markets. The magazine will be fully independent, with brilliant writers and focusing on every aspect in the sport of boxing. We will restore the legacy of The Ring Rankings to its old mechanism with a fully independent panel that lives up to the Ring Magazine’s golden era. We will continue to raise the prestige of The Ring Titles, and plans are already underway to have a yearly extravagant awards ceremony to celebrate the very best in the boxing industry. In the coming weeks, we intend to debut a brand new state of the art website and mobile app. We are already in development for a line of Ring Magazine merchandise. The Ring Magazine will be a fully independent company without any involvement from Riyadh Season. In the end, lets get the Bible of Boxing to heights that it has never seen in the past."
I do not trust the overuse of the word independent.
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joshj909 wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 07:15
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 04:38 Turki Alalashikh wrote: "Earlier this week, I finalized a deal to acquire 100% of The Ring Magazine, and I want to make a few things clear, the print version of the magazine will return immediately after a two year hiatus, and it will be available in the US and UK markets. The magazine will be fully independent, with brilliant writers and focusing on every aspect in the sport of boxing. We will restore the legacy of The Ring Rankings to its old mechanism with a fully independent panel that lives up to the Ring Magazine’s golden era. We will continue to raise the prestige of The Ring Titles, and plans are already underway to have a yearly extravagant awards ceremony to celebrate the very best in the boxing industry. In the coming weeks, we intend to debut a brand new state of the art website and mobile app. We are already in development for a line of Ring Magazine merchandise. The Ring Magazine will be a fully independent company without any involvement from Riyadh Season. In the end, lets get the Bible of Boxing to heights that it has never seen in the past."
I do not trust the overuse of the word independent.
he says 'fully independent' 3 times..

hmmm
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joshj909 wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 07:15
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 04:38 Turki Alalashikh wrote: "Earlier this week, I finalized a deal to acquire 100% of The Ring Magazine, and I want to make a few things clear, the print version of the magazine will return immediately after a two year hiatus, and it will be available in the US and UK markets. The magazine will be fully independent, with brilliant writers and focusing on every aspect in the sport of boxing. We will restore the legacy of The Ring Rankings to its old mechanism with a fully independent panel that lives up to the Ring Magazine’s golden era. We will continue to raise the prestige of The Ring Titles, and plans are already underway to have a yearly extravagant awards ceremony to celebrate the very best in the boxing industry. In the coming weeks, we intend to debut a brand new state of the art website and mobile app. We are already in development for a line of Ring Magazine merchandise. The Ring Magazine will be a fully independent company without any involvement from Riyadh Season. In the end, lets get the Bible of Boxing to heights that it has never seen in the past."
I do not trust the overuse of the word independent.
I bet you're fun at parties.
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keithmoonhangover wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 07:44
joshj909 wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 07:15
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 04:38 Turki Alalashikh wrote: "Earlier this week, I finalized a deal to acquire 100% of The Ring Magazine, and I want to make a few things clear, the print version of the magazine will return immediately after a two year hiatus, and it will be available in the US and UK markets. The magazine will be fully independent, with brilliant writers and focusing on every aspect in the sport of boxing. We will restore the legacy of The Ring Rankings to its old mechanism with a fully independent panel that lives up to the Ring Magazine’s golden era. We will continue to raise the prestige of The Ring Titles, and plans are already underway to have a yearly extravagant awards ceremony to celebrate the very best in the boxing industry. In the coming weeks, we intend to debut a brand new state of the art website and mobile app. We are already in development for a line of Ring Magazine merchandise. The Ring Magazine will be a fully independent company without any involvement from Riyadh Season. In the end, lets get the Bible of Boxing to heights that it has never seen in the past."
I do not trust the overuse of the word independent.
I bet you're fun at parties.
I bet you don't get invited to them
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When South Africa practiced a two-tier system nobody said "well, they're making progress."
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It's a sad thing seeing American brands in the hands of foreign ownership. The end of an era for sure. I blame promoters for this nonsense. The richest sport in the world and they gave it all away by being lazy.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all
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HomicideHenry wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 12:40 It's a sad thing seeing American brands in the hands of foreign ownership. The end of an era for sure. I blame promoters for this nonsense. The richest sport in the world and they gave it all away by being lazy.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all
Are you ok with seeing Foreign brands in the hands of American ownership?
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He’s bought it for $10m apparently.

ODLH bought it for $7m
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Alba wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 14:16
HomicideHenry wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 12:40 It's a sad thing seeing American brands in the hands of foreign ownership. The end of an era for sure. I blame promoters for this nonsense. The richest sport in the world and they gave it all away by being lazy.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all
Are you ok with seeing Foreign brands in the hands of American ownership?
No. People should be holding on to their own brands and traditional products. It's Americana he's bought. They'd be pissed if America bought some Saudi iconic brand or product. Europe and America is just giving everything away.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all
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joshj909 wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 09:02
keithmoonhangover wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 07:44
joshj909 wrote: 12 Nov 2024, 07:15

I do not trust the overuse of the word independent.
I bet you're fun at parties.
I bet you don't get invited to them
I do get invited, but I can be a little bit socially awkward and when I'm nervous, I talk to much and don't have any filter. I'm an optimistic person and try to focus on the positives.
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He has said that he will restore the print editions for the British and US editions immediately and will remain independent of the editorial control of Ring Magazine, which is important when it's not only the main trade sheet for Boxing, but the self proclaimed Bible of Boxing
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IRL25 wrote: 14 Nov 2024, 09:11 He has said that he will restore the print editions for the British and US editions immediately and will remain independent of the editorial control of Ring Magazine, which is important when it's not only the main trade sheet for Boxing, but the self proclaimed Bible of Boxing
Turki's what I'd be like if I was a mutli-billionaire. Dream matchups, stacked cards, bring back the Ring.
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It appears Oscar sold Ring to Turki which means Turki now has his own Title and rankings. The 4 sanctioning bodies better start getting their act together or they could be playing second fiddle to the Ring belt and rankings. What do you guys think will come of this?
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ace_of_clubs wrote: 18 Nov 2024, 14:47 It appears Oscar sold Ring to Turki which means Turki now has his own Title and rankings. The 4 sanctioning bodies better start getting their act together or they could be playing second fiddle to the Ring belt and rankings. What do you guys think will come of this?
I think his next steps will be to try to buy the four major sanctioning bodies just to put them aside so that the Ring belt is the "undisputed" title. I am curious to see how the new Ring magazine will cover women's boxing and if it will continue to award Ring belts to female champions. He said he will get the best boxing writers and maybe he will. It's a different world now though and sports magazines in general do not sell like they used to. Sports Illustrated is now a monthly magazine and it used to be weekly. I went to the bookstore recently and there were no boxing or MMA mags. The only combat magazine there was for wrestling entertainment which is not a real sport.

Even if Ring is back in bookstores and newsstands, is it going to make enough money to sustain itself or will this be like the NBA in basketball financially supporting the WNBA which loses money? The writing could be the best in the world for boxing journalism, but boxing fans can get their news for free. There are many boxing websites and they are free to view. There are also many sports websites that cover boxing. Also, I don't think most boxing fans are interested in reading the entire Ring magazine history in digital form. Who is going to pay to subscribe to that? Maybe boxing historians, but that is not a lot of people.

Maybe the new Ring will be a great magazine, but I don't think it will make a profit. There is too much free news out there and even KO magazine in its best years would not survive in this world. Some magazines are ceasing to be published like Ring magazine did, but it will resume being published monthly only because of financial backing.
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Face of it looks like a good move.
Turki sure seems like he knows his boxing.
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