The Fighters Who Let You Down?

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 19 Sep 2006, 06:32

Baby Face Finster wrote: James "Lights Out" Toney - Shouldn't be at heavyweight and basically wasted the years 1997-2003 fighting nobodies until taking on Jirov.

He's like 50 pounds overweight and still one of the best heavy's in the world, his only loss at heavyweight was the contraversial decision loss against Samuel Peter.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 20 Sep 2006, 06:57

He's a lazy fat bum to be quite frank!....

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 20 Sep 2006, 07:13

silkov wrote:He's a lazy fat bum to be quite frank!....

Yes he is, but he's also one of the best HWs in the world. Pretty sad, eh..?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 20 Sep 2006, 07:26

The Great John L wrote:
silkov wrote:He's a lazy fat bum to be quite frank!....
Yes he is, but he's also one of the best HWs in the world. Pretty sad, eh..?

yEP, but I dont actually think he'd beat any of the current 'champs'.... he's too old and fat... still got some nice skills, but that only makes it sadder.... he could have been the best fighter of the past 20 years....

Aftermath · Post by **Aftermath** » 20 Sep 2006, 14:00

Rene Arredondo

Rodolfo “Gato” Gonzalez

Andrew Golota

Francisco Bojado

James “Bonecrusher” Smith

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 20 Sep 2006, 16:45

Aftermath wrote:Rene Arredondo

Rodolfo “Gato” Gonzalez

Andrew Golota

Francisco Bojado

James “Bonecrusher” Smith

Rene Arredondo was one of those fighters who's chin failed him. The Bone crusher was the type of fighter you could get your hopes up for in one fight only to be let down in the next. I never understood his strategy in the Marvis Frazier fight. You have light hitting glass jaw Marvis Frazier and The Bonecrusher backed up for all ten rounds.

happynormal · Post by **happynormal** » 22 Sep 2006, 03:12

Michael Nunn, Matthew Hilton, Sean O'sullevan, Henry Tillman, Ray Mercer.

(abbreviated quote)

Nunn - he WAS Roy Jones before Roy Jones was Roy Jones. A match-up in their primes would have been very interesting.

Hilton and O'Sullivan - really personal because they're Canadians. Hilton probably was unbeatable when in shape, but he was probably from an uncontrollable gaggle of criminally minded brothers, and ballooned way out of shape too much too. Sucks, cuz he could bang away with impunity like Dempsey or Tyson.

O'Sullivan and Tillman - don't think they really had enough "pop" or sophistication to be champs.

Mercer - so close, yet so far...

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 22 Sep 2006, 03:21

Audley Harrison - Big mouth, lots of boasts & promises, but then nothing! Two 'fights' a year against the worst opposition possible. Poor stamina & almost completely spineless. More interested in being a celebrity boxer than a real fighter. :x

Sugar Ray Leonard - Should have fought Tommy Hearns again in 1982, Roberto Duran in 1981 & Marvin Hagler again in 1987/8.

Tim Witherspoon - Wasted his brilliant talent by being a big lazy heifer!

Dwight Muhammad Qawi - For battering Saad & effectively ending the career of the most exciting boxer ever!!!!

Nile4000 · Post by **Nile4000** » 19 Nov 2007, 11:21

Greg Page, and Greg Page.

KO Artist · Post by **KO Artist** » 19 Nov 2007, 16:39

John Mugabi

Should have been an all time great, but partied his career down he drain.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 19 Nov 2007, 17:20

Mike Dokes.....and....Gerrie Coetzee...

Dokes= drugs

Coetzee= inconsistency and politics

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 19 Nov 2007, 17:35

Some of these guys listed did more than I thought they would.
And some of these guys at least one a belt or two.
Olympian Paul Gonzales however , I thought would really make a mark in the pro game.

elmersalsa · Post by **elmersalsa** » 19 Nov 2007, 23:46

Fighters that let me down:

1. Rodolfo "Gato" Gonzalez of Mexico. Promising lightweight in the late 70s and early 80s

2. Jerome Coffee. At least I thought that this guy was going to be a world champion. But he did not even become nothing. What happened? He had good footwork, speed and slick for these superbantamweights and bantamweights. He was SMOOOOOOTTTHHH!

3. Riddick Bowe: He failed to fight and avenged his loss against Lennox Lewis in the pros after Lennox stopped him in the olympics. He was a potential all-time heavyweight great that went down the drain. Now in my book, he is not even in my list of the top 20 heavyweights ever...not at all!

4. David Tua: What happened to this guy? He failed to be the second coming of Mike Tyson

5. Fernando Vargas: I thought that he was going to beat the shit out of Oscar De La Hoya and he flunked big time in his career. Maybe after losing to Felix "Tito" Trinidad his career was over.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 19 Nov 2007, 23:48

Beside the point I know, but that Lewis-Bowe Olympic stoppage was nothing short of disgraceful. I'm hardly in the habit of agreeing with someone like Pacheco but he was bang-on that time. What the hell was the referee thinking?

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 20 Nov 2007, 01:17

..nick wells was the hardest hitting amateur i ever saw. i had hopes he'd get a good trainer, learn to get in shape and develop some stamina and at least be a force as a heavyweight pro. alas, didn't happen....he had a short pro career, either knocked you out or got kayoed himself. but he sure was an exciting amateure and i'll bet those pro fights were barnburners.

going back a few decades, i thought heavyweight clarence henry would do much better than he did. decent boxer, very good puncher...in the top ten for a while and beat some good fighters...but...just faded. he may have had eye trouble, i don't remember off-hand. whatever...he just lacked that extra something that takes a guy to the top and keeps him there.

p4p1 · Post by **p4p1** » 20 Nov 2007, 07:29

MIKE TYSON... wasted talent could of been so much more
NASEEM HAMED... almost wasted talent beleived to much that "allah would never let him lose" and stopped training and unfortunatly never bounced back from his wake up call after i thought he would
MICHEAL NUNN... have only seen a few of his fight but damn that guy had talent
ANTHONY MUNDINE ATM.... he seems to have talent to burn but not the right one shows up on some nights was leading sven ottke on the cards and then got KO'd (what did sven have like 4 or 5 kos?) manny siaca fought really scared, keeps defending against guys that shouldnt be top contenders (exept for soliman but i always thought soliman was to small for that weight) but then he turns in a good performance against mikkel kessler and hands danny green his arse and now he may be blinded in one eye for the rest of his life
BUSTER MATHIS... beat frazier as a amatuer in the olympic trials but the went where?

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 20 Nov 2007, 08:18

Collins2000 wrote:
IrishRufusMurphy wrote:Collins....suck my clock

I know that was directed at me...excuse me for gettin the info wrong, it's been 30+ years since Bobick fought, hard to remember every single damn detail you know, all I know is he did fight in the Olympics and had faced off with Stevenson a few times, winning one.

Mmmm, so now you are implying you remember Bobick's amateur career first hand? Didn't you mention a few weeks back you were in your 20's????

Well I should be able to, but damned if I can get my grey matter up and running on that subject......I've forgotten more stuff than collins will ever know.....I just can't prove it because I can't remember it.

and as far as harrassment from Collins, it's not personal as Collin's is an equal opportunity annoyer.

Who let me down? Roberto Duran, with Leonard second time around. However unlike many of these dissapointments he worked his way back to respectability and more as time went on. When you look back now, we can see he had a few, just like the rest of us. But his career can still be considered state of the art.

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 20 Nov 2007, 15:05

.....ah buzzy..i feel your pain. i've forgotten more about boxing than I'LL ever know....

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 20 Nov 2007, 15:12

Jaclem wrote:..nick wells was the hardest hitting amateur i ever saw. i had hopes he'd get a good trainer, learn to get in shape and develop some stamina and at least be a force as a heavyweight pro. alas, didn't happen....he had a short pro career, either knocked you out or got kayoed himself. but he sure was an exciting amateure and i'll bet those pro fights were barnburners.

You’re right, Wells was a lot of fun to watch. The only pro fight I saw of his was when he was stopped by Koranicki. Wells started fast winning the first few rounds, but then faded just as fast before getting stopped late, mostly due to fatigue. I also had high hopes for him, but as you noted, I don’t think he ever learned how to train properly.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 21 Nov 2007, 23:21

Here's some older names from south of the border: Ricardo Moreno and Battling Torres

And some older names from the U.S:Mac Foster and Hedgemon Lewis

And Europe:Jose Manuel Urtain and Marcel Cerdan Jr.

HomicideHenry · Post by **HomicideHenry** » 22 Nov 2007, 00:15

I don't think Marcel Cerdan, Jr was the serious boxer that most made him out to be. I think him taking up boxing was more or less a tribute act to his legendary father (whom he would later play in a film). Kind of like how Hank Williams, Jr started out in music singing his father's songs. Unfortunately for Cerdan, unlike 'Rockin Randall', he never really carved out his own legacy, except for being a likeable guy who people paid to see if he was anything like his dad.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 22 Nov 2007, 02:59

HomicideHenry wrote:I don't think Marcel Cerdan, Jr was the serious boxer that most made him out to be. I think him taking up boxing was more or less a tribute act to his legendary father (whom he would later play in a film). Kind of like how Hank Williams, Jr started out in music singing his father's songs. Unfortunately for Cerdan, unlike 'Rockin Randall', he never really carved out his own legacy, except for being a likeable guy who people paid to see if he was anything like his dad.

I remember Cerdan coming to the US for the first time to fight a good Canadian fighter Donato Paduano. Paduano was undefeated. It was his big shot. Cerdan lost a one sided decision. He went back to France and kind of fizzled out.

harrygreb · Post by **harrygreb** » 24 Nov 2007, 11:40

i dont think john conteh ever let people down. he was a brave muvva.
good luck john. i saw bobick get starched by stevenson in munich 1972,
aaahhh, a lovely trip down memory lane.

enrique · Post by **enrique** » 26 Nov 2007, 15:53

Marcel Cerdan Jr. was a competent pro who boxed well and was a light puncher. He only lost five out of 63 and beat Francois Pavilla and Ted Whitfield and lost to top rated guys like Clyde Gray and Donato Paduano.
If his name had been Pierre Something, fans would regard him in higher esteem.

His name helped him sell tickets and he was matched with care but the name was also a handicap because people expected soooo much from him....

Bobick was a good fighter who beat Holmes and Stevenson as an amateur and had some good wins as a pro but could not crack the top five.

Klee Gluckman · Post by **Klee Gluckman** » 03 Dec 2007, 13:38

The common assumption that Ike would have been a great champion had he not gone to prison are rediculos. He did not beat Tua watch the fight again, Ike fades in the last half of the fight and I scored it 115-113 for Tua. Lewis is a far better boxer than Ike and unlike Tua has hieght and reach advantages and a much batter tactical game plan. Also people assume Ike would have got better and better but imagine if Tua went to jail after the Ruiz fight his myth would have got out of hand too. Lewis would not trade with Ike he would outbox him. I think the romance of Ike being the second coming of Liston or Tyson is just nonsense. Tua was damn unlucky not to be given the decision against Ike and if Tua can take plenty of rounds of him so would have Lewis. Once can always suggest a ko for Ike but again i do not agree. IMO Lewis beats Ike 9 times out of 10.

The Fighters Who Let You Down?

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