Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson | Netflix - November 15, 2024

[joshj909]

Froch loves to hear himself talk.

I'm sorry but there's no way he comes back and beats anyone in the top 50, especially someone naturally larger and stronger than him whose also nearly 30 years younger than himself. He'd be embarrassed. All of these old timers don't have it anymore. Pure and simple. Froch wouldn't turn back the clock.

By the time he would be done with a genuine training camp he would already be burnt out even if he looked the part. No, if anyone is going to shut this kid up forever it'll have to be one of the current contenders or champions. It wasn't competitive because Tyson was literally that shot, and Paul saw it early on and decided not to tee off on him.

That's maybe the only credit I can give him is that he had the good sense not to be an asshole and try to go for a knockout. If I was him I would try to appeal to the commission to reverse it back to being an exhibition and not a real contest, because that's not a good look to have on your record at all.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

Froch beats Paul.

Froch is only 20 years older, not 30. He's also only 10 years retired. Never chinny.

I don't want the fight. However, Paul knows this fight is high risk, low reward. It won't happen.

47 years old, and would be 48 by the time it would be made. No tune ups. Inactive for ten years plus. The odds are extremely long that Froch could remotely win. Everybody is acting like 48 is not old. It's ancient in sports terms. It doesn't matter how good Froch once was. If the fight happened and it was 10-12 rounds Froch might look good for 4-5 rounds, but eventually his old legs would feel like he had 50 pounds strapped to his ankles. The tide would begin to turn. Perhaps Froch could last the distance, but he'd break even at best or lose a split or majority decision.

I know everybody keeps saying Paul is no good, is garbage, etc but that's simply not true. He is a low-grade trialhorse fighter atm. There's 7 levels to boxing: 1st tiersmen, 2nd tiersmen, journeymen, trialhorses, gatekeepers, contenders and champions. The longer Froch keeps sleeping in soft sheets, making youtube videos, and bragging he's better than Anthony Joshua ever was the less likely he could.

I don't like Jake Paul but I guarantee when he wakes up this morning it's back to the gym. He stays in shape, and keeps doing his drills and listening to his coaches. Froch I very much doubt does a tenth of the work Jake Paul does at this stage of his life.

There is a reason why this is a young man's sport. There is a reason why you don't see comebacks that often. These old guys can crow all the way but sometime during training camp their arthritis would flare up, the muscles ache worse than ever before, and it's harder to motivate yourself to give 100% effort.

And yes, I'm aware there was old guys who fought in the past but the difference is they never exactly left the game to begin with. They kept staying in it. But when you leave the sport and come back, especially after that long, it's virtually impossible to find success at it.

Remember Riddick Bowe vs Billy Zumbrun? Bowe lost that easily but was gifted a nonsense decision win. Zumbrun was nothing to write home about. That was pretty sad. And you're telling me Froch who would have to jump up 2 weight classes at 48 years old and ten years inactive can beat a guy like Jake Paul?

At some point reality has to sink in. Maybe five years out from his initial retirement he could have done it easily. But it'll be 11 years if that is Paul's next fight. I can't see a guy who depended largely on his legs like Froch being able to suddenly dance rings, darting in and out of range for more than 4-5 rounds. Paul can take a punch and does hit hard himself. I don't want to see Froch or anyone else over 45-60 fighting unless it's against other guys their own age.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

If Anderson Silva had a decent go, Froch beats him. As does Bellew. You don't have to be top still to beat him. He's regional level.

[hhaehre]

Froch beats Paul.

Froch is only 20 years older, not 30. He's also only 10 years retired. Never chinny.

I don't want the fight. However, Paul knows this fight is high risk, low reward. It won't happen.

47 years old, and would be 48 by the time it would be made. No tune ups. Inactive for ten years plus. The odds are extremely long that Froch could remotely win. Everybody is acting like 48 is not old. It's ancient in sports terms. It doesn't matter how good Froch once was. If the fight happened and it was 10-12 rounds Froch might look good for 4-5 rounds, but eventually his old legs would feel like he had 50 pounds strapped to his ankles. The tide would begin to turn. Perhaps Froch could last the distance, but he'd break even at best or lose a split or majority decision.

I know everybody keeps saying Paul is no good, is garbage, etc but that's simply not true. He is a low-grade trialhorse fighter atm. There's 7 levels to boxing: 1st tiersmen, 2nd tiersmen, journeymen, trialhorses, gatekeepers, contenders and champions. The longer Froch keeps sleeping in soft sheets, making youtube videos, and bragging he's better than Anthony Joshua ever was the less likely he could.

I don't like Jake Paul but I guarantee when he wakes up this morning it's back to the gym. He stays in shape, and keeps doing his drills and listening to his coaches. Froch I very much doubt does a tenth of the work Jake Paul does at this stage of his life.

There is a reason why this is a young man's sport. There is a reason why you don't see comebacks that often. These old guys can crow all the way but sometime during training camp their arthritis would flare up, the muscles ache worse than ever before, and it's harder to motivate yourself to give 100% effort.

And yes, I'm aware there was old guys who fought in the past but the difference is they never exactly left the game to begin with. They kept staying in it. But when you leave the sport and come back, especially after that long, it's virtually impossible to find success at it.

Remember Riddick Bowe vs Billy Zumbrun? Bowe lost that easily but was gifted a nonsense decision win. Zumbrun was nothing to write home about. That was pretty sad. And you're telling me Froch who would have to jump up 2 weight classes at 48 years old and ten years inactive can beat a guy like Jake Paul?

At some point reality has to sink in. Maybe five years out from his initial retirement he could have done it easily. But it'll be 11 years if that is Paul's next fight. I can't see a guy who depended largely on his legs like Froch being able to suddenly dance rings, darting in and out of range for more than 4-5 rounds. Paul can take a punch and does hit hard himself. I don't want to see Froch or anyone else over 45-60 fighting unless it's against other guys their own age.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

If Anderson Silva had a decent go, Froch beats him. As does Bellew. You don't have to be top still to beat him. He's regional level.

Nah, have to completely agree with Henry here. The Silva fight wasn't really close and Silva is a much bigger guy than Froch and never retired for 10 years. I'd give Bellew an outside chance because he's bigger and younger than Froch, but it's very rare you see a fighter past 40 come out of a 6-7 year retirement and look anything like they once did.

[joshj909]

47 years old, and would be 48 by the time it would be made. No tune ups. Inactive for ten years plus. The odds are extremely long that Froch could remotely win. Everybody is acting like 48 is not old. It's ancient in sports terms. It doesn't matter how good Froch once was. If the fight happened and it was 10-12 rounds Froch might look good for 4-5 rounds, but eventually his old legs would feel like he had 50 pounds strapped to his ankles. The tide would begin to turn. Perhaps Froch could last the distance, but he'd break even at best or lose a split or majority decision.

I know everybody keeps saying Paul is no good, is garbage, etc but that's simply not true. He is a low-grade trialhorse fighter atm. There's 7 levels to boxing: 1st tiersmen, 2nd tiersmen, journeymen, trialhorses, gatekeepers, contenders and champions. The longer Froch keeps sleeping in soft sheets, making youtube videos, and bragging he's better than Anthony Joshua ever was the less likely he could.

I don't like Jake Paul but I guarantee when he wakes up this morning it's back to the gym. He stays in shape, and keeps doing his drills and listening to his coaches. Froch I very much doubt does a tenth of the work Jake Paul does at this stage of his life.

There is a reason why this is a young man's sport. There is a reason why you don't see comebacks that often. These old guys can crow all the way but sometime during training camp their arthritis would flare up, the muscles ache worse than ever before, and it's harder to motivate yourself to give 100% effort.

And yes, I'm aware there was old guys who fought in the past but the difference is they never exactly left the game to begin with. They kept staying in it. But when you leave the sport and come back, especially after that long, it's virtually impossible to find success at it.

Remember Riddick Bowe vs Billy Zumbrun? Bowe lost that easily but was gifted a nonsense decision win. Zumbrun was nothing to write home about. That was pretty sad. And you're telling me Froch who would have to jump up 2 weight classes at 48 years old and ten years inactive can beat a guy like Jake Paul?

At some point reality has to sink in. Maybe five years out from his initial retirement he could have done it easily. But it'll be 11 years if that is Paul's next fight. I can't see a guy who depended largely on his legs like Froch being able to suddenly dance rings, darting in and out of range for more than 4-5 rounds. Paul can take a punch and does hit hard himself. I don't want to see Froch or anyone else over 45-60 fighting unless it's against other guys their own age.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

If Anderson Silva had a decent go, Froch beats him. As does Bellew. You don't have to be top still to beat him. He's regional level.

Nah, have to completely agree with Henry here. The Silva fight wasn't really close and Silva is a much bigger guy than Froch and never retired for 10 years. I'd give Bellew an outside chance because he's bigger and younger than Froch, but it's very rare you see a fighter past 40 come out of a 6-7 year retirement and look anything like they once did.

Silva was never a boxer though, that's the difference. Jake is low level. He just needs someone who isn't going to be exhausted, extremely chinny or unskilled and he will be beaten regardless of age. Most of his opponents have been sitting ducks due to one of those reasons.

[hhaehre]

If Anderson Silva had a decent go, Froch beats him. As does Bellew. You don't have to be top still to beat him. He's regional level.

Nah, have to completely agree with Henry here. The Silva fight wasn't really close and Silva is a much bigger guy than Froch and never retired for 10 years. I'd give Bellew an outside chance because he's bigger and younger than Froch, but it's very rare you see a fighter past 40 come out of a 6-7 year retirement and look anything like they once did.

Silva was never a boxer though, that's the difference. Jake is low level. He just needs someone who isn't going to be exhausted, extremely chinny or unskilled and he will be beaten regardless of age. Most of his opponents have been sitting ducks due to one of those reasons.

I think you are underestimating Paul as a boxer. He's a mid level pro at this point. If he had been developed like a normal prospect he would have been 10-0 against an assortment of cab drivers and part timers of lower quality than the mma guys he has on his record and nobody would have batted an eye.

[margaret thatcher]

he's about tommy fury level

[funso banjo baby]

I blame Floyd Mayweather for everything

[joshj909]

Nah, have to completely agree with Henry here. The Silva fight wasn't really close and Silva is a much bigger guy than Froch and never retired for 10 years. I'd give Bellew an outside chance because he's bigger and younger than Froch, but it's very rare you see a fighter past 40 come out of a 6-7 year retirement and look anything like they once did.

Silva was never a boxer though, that's the difference. Jake is low level. He just needs someone who isn't going to be exhausted, extremely chinny or unskilled and he will be beaten regardless of age. Most of his opponents have been sitting ducks due to one of those reasons.

I think you are underestimating Paul as a boxer. He's a mid level pro at this point. If he had been developed like a normal prospect he would have been 10-0 against an assortment of cab drivers and part timers of lower quality than the mma guys he has on his record and nobody would have batted an eye.

I think you're overestimating his opposition. I don't think he'd win an English title

[margaret thatcher]

he's slightly worse than tommy fury, how good do people think fury is? would he beat bellow or froch?

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I'm not sure what to make of the fact that the most memorable thing about this whole Paul/Tyson charade was Mike Tyson's buttocks!

Good grief Netflix, you could have cut back to the presenters a smidge earlier.

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Carl Froch is bang on the money:

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/185 ... gr%5Etweet

Froch loves to hear himself talk.

I'm sorry but there's no way he comes back and beats anyone in the top 50, especially someone naturally larger and stronger than him whose also nearly 30 years younger than himself. He'd be embarrassed. All of these old timers don't have it anymore. Pure and simple. Froch wouldn't turn back the clock.

By the time he would be done with a genuine training camp he would already be burnt out even if he looked the part. No, if anyone is going to shut this kid up forever it'll have to be one of the current contenders or champions. It wasn't competitive because Tyson was literally that shot, and Paul saw it early on and decided not to tee off on him.

That's maybe the only credit I can give him is that he had the good sense not to be an asshole and try to go for a knockout. If I was him I would try to appeal to the commission to reverse it back to being an exhibition and not a real contest, because that's not a good look to have on your record at all.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

I don't get Froch's point about Paul being useless.

It's quite clear from watching it that Paul could have KOd Tyson anytime he wanted, so what did he want to happen?

If Paul had put his foot on the accelerator and smoked Tyson, he would have jumping up and down berating Paul for beating up an elderly sitting duck.

The whole fight was a farce, but Paul did the right thing and didn't try to put Tyson away.

[big lennox]

Carl Froch is bang on the money:

https://x.com/MichaelBensonn/status/185 ... gr%5Etweet

Froch loves to hear himself talk.

I'm sorry but there's no way he comes back and beats anyone in the top 50, especially someone naturally larger and stronger than him whose also nearly 30 years younger than himself. He'd be embarrassed. All of these old timers don't have it anymore. Pure and simple. Froch wouldn't turn back the clock.

By the time he would be done with a genuine training camp he would already be burnt out even if he looked the part. No, if anyone is going to shut this kid up forever it'll have to be one of the current contenders or champions. It wasn't competitive because Tyson was literally that shot, and Paul saw it early on and decided not to tee off on him.

That's maybe the only credit I can give him is that he had the good sense not to be an asshole and try to go for a knockout. If I was him I would try to appeal to the commission to reverse it back to being an exhibition and not a real contest, because that's not a good look to have on your record at all.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

I don't get Froch's point about Paul being useless.

It's quite clear from watching it that Paul could have KOd Tyson anytime he wanted, so what did he want to happen?

If Paul had put his foot on the accelerator and smoked Tyson, he would have jumping up and down berating Paul for beating up an elderly sitting duck.

The whole fight was a farce, but Paul did the right thing and didn't try to put Tyson away.

I respectfully disagree. Jake Paul threw some big shots in there and didn't get the result he was looking for (like he does against smaller MMA fighters).

I also think a reluctantance to stand in front of Tyson and trade is the reason he didnt get a ko win, not because he showed compassion. He wasn't showing compassion when he threw heavy right hands. Also, how did he manage to weigh 27lbs more than his in his previous fight 4 months ago and had acne on his back after training sessions shown the Netflix series?

The Paul brother's don't strike me as being particularly compassionate people, hence fighting people smaller and older than themselves, and the way Logan spoke to Mike in the ring afterwards.

[skanksta]

We got some saying "Paul wouldn't dare face Froch - a proper former World Champ" and others saying "48 is ancient - Froch wouldn't stand a chance against Jake.."

I think...
We have to see the fight !
It'll do great numbers, Froch a big name internationally and sells a fight well, genuine disagreement on the outcome.

[skanksta]

FWIW I'm firmly in the Froch wins camp.

Ruth.., can you do a poll/thread..

[Ruthless-RKO]

FWIW I'm firmly in the Froch wins camp.

Ruth.., can you do a poll/thread..

Done

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[ace_of_clubs]

If Jake Paul wants to keep boxing side show matches so be it but the dude needs to stop saying he will be World Champ in boxing. He weighed nearly 230 so if he's serious about being World Champion his options are Dubois or the Usyk-Fury winner and after watching him the other night he has no chance against any of those guys. Not even a punchers chance. The guy is gonna ride this con for as long as people pay for it.

[joshj909]

If Jake Paul wants to keep boxing side show matches so be it but the dude needs to stop saying he will be World Champ in boxing. He weighed nearly 230 so if he's serious about being World Champion his options are Dubois or the Usyk-Fury winner and after watching him the other night he has no chance against any of those guys. Not even a punchers chance. The guy is gonna ride this con for as long as people pay for it.

Agree with all of this. It seems like his end goal is trying to goad Canelo or McGregor into a mega payday fight but he will likely keep on the con until then or until one of the walkovers luckily knock him out.

[ace_of_clubs]

If Jake Paul wants to keep boxing side show matches so be it but the dude needs to stop saying he will be World Champ in boxing. He weighed nearly 230 so if he's serious about being World Champion his options are Dubois or the Usyk-Fury winner and after watching him the other night he has no chance against any of those guys. Not even a punchers chance. The guy is gonna ride this con for as long as people pay for it.

Agree with all of this. It seems like his end goal is trying to goad Canelo or McGregor into a mega payday fight but he will likely keep on the con until then or until one of the walkovers luckily knock him out.

100%. He wants those massive pay days for sure. I get it but when he uses the World Champ nonsense it makes me annoyed knowing he has no intention on becoming a legit Champion. When I saw he came in at nearly 230 I knew he wasn't serious about becoming a World Champ. He has no chance in hell at Heavyweight. I seen Oscar offered a fight with the Cruiserweight Ramirez. Paul would get owned in that one also. The weight cut alone is gonna be super difficult now that he has put on all that weight. His words don't meet his actions. He's lying to the people and just looking to make as much money as possible off the sucker's that believe him.

[Perseus]

I'm saying Canelo v Paul happens.
In 2027.
Having already decided it will be his last fight Canelo steps way up in weight for the largest available payday in his final fight.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I'm saying Canelo v Paul happens.
In 2027.
Having already decided it will be his last fight Canelo steps way up in weight for the largest available payday in his final fight.

Would make sense. Last pro fight. Just take on Paul. Take the money and sail off.

[gilgamesh]

If Jake Paul wants to keep boxing side show matches so be it but the dude needs to stop saying he will be World Champ in boxing. He weighed nearly 230 so if he's serious about being World Champion his options are Dubois or the Usyk-Fury winner and after watching him the other night he has no chance against any of those guys. Not even a punchers chance. The guy is gonna ride this con for as long as people pay for it.

The Bridgerweight division is a joke, and nobody in the sport takes it seriously. I can easily see them trying to get a soft opponent for Jake Paul to fight just for the publicity he'd give the division. Most serious fighters just pass it by, and recognize it as insignificant.

That being said I can't imagine you could find somebody soft enough for Jake to be able to beat them, and still have the audacity to call it a World Title Fight.

[RScarf1]

If Jake Paul wants to keep boxing side show matches so be it but the dude needs to stop saying he will be World Champ in boxing. He weighed nearly 230 so if he's serious about being World Champion his options are Dubois or the Usyk-Fury winner and after watching him the other night he has no chance against any of those guys. Not even a punchers chance. The guy is gonna ride this con for as long as people pay for it.

The Bridgerweight division is a joke, and nobody in the sport takes it seriously. I can easily see them trying to get a soft opponent for Jake Paul to fight just for the publicity he'd give the division. Most serious fighters just pass it by, and recognize it as insignificant.

That being said I can't imagine you could find somebody soft enough for Jake to be able to beat them, and still have the audacity to call it a World Title Fight.

Jake Paul's only chance to be a "world champion" would be in the bridgerweight division. Paul is at best 100th in the world at either heavyweight or cruiserweight. He is 27 years old. His boxing ability is never going to be at a world-class level. The best cruiserweights and heavyweights are mostly about mid 30s, but he is not in that category. After this fiasco of a fight with Tyson, he knows that the public is not going to keep paying for this garbage. I am sure that the WBC would be elated to sanction a bridgerweight world title fight with Jake Paul. The purse and therefore the sanctioning fee would be high and the WBC would try to bring more exposure and legitimacy to this weight class that they created. I predict that Paul will stop fighting in his early 30s like maybe by the time he is 30, so he has a few years left. He already lost to Tommy Fury and Tommy is not world-class either.

[HomicideHenry]

I would argue he might be passed Tommy Fury's level at this point. Fury has done relatively nothing since KSI while Paul at least seems to be training constantly with a goal in mind. If Fury is basically Midlands champion level, then Paul is arguably British fringe contender level.

That might be blasphemous to many but you can't keep saying Paul isn't progressing to one degree or another. Its not like he's still stuck at the same level as the Tommy Fury fight. I'm reminded of people who still keep bringing up Wladimir Klitschko losing ages ago to Ross Purity as if he never improved passed that point.

I honestly thought that Mike Perry was going to eat him up and spit him out, being the bareknuckle boxing champion, but he couldn't do diddly really with Paul. And say what you like the kid can go eight or ten rounds without any real problems.

Can a guy a decade plus out of retirement, nearly fifty years old, with no tune-up bouts, moving up 2 weight classes actually beat a guy who is British contender level? Maybe. But I find it extremely unlikely. He (Froch) couldn't hurt Jake Paul if Tommy Fury couldn't and punching power is pretty much the one attribute Fury has.

Now if it was anyone presently in the top 50-75 in the world in Paul's own weight class, I have little doubt they'd pretty much have their way with him. You all know this sport as well as I do, all you have to do is pay the sanctioning fees and you'll be ranked. Anyone can be ranked by the WBA, WBC, WBO, and IBF if you have the money. And if some president feels like it they can manipulate their own rankings to suddenly make some #50 rated guy suddenly be rated #10 and they'll call it an eliminator for the bridgerweight title or whatever.

I said it a long time ago you could fight 50 pro debuters and get a shot at the world title. The sad part is guys like this in the 70s-80s-90s would've been on the white collar circuit in semi-pro bouts and most likely would've been torn apart by Lenny McLean, Roy Shaw, Cliff Fields or Johnny Whaldron before ever gaining any real traction.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

[p4p1]

If Jake Paul wants to keep boxing side show matches so be it but the dude needs to stop saying he will be World Champ in boxing. He weighed nearly 230 so if he's serious about being World Champion his options are Dubois or the Usyk-Fury winner and after watching him the other night he has no chance against any of those guys. Not even a punchers chance. The guy is gonna ride this con for as long as people pay for it.

The Bridgerweight division is a joke, and nobody in the sport takes it seriously. I can easily see them trying to get a soft opponent for Jake Paul to fight just for the publicity he'd give the division. Most serious fighters just pass it by, and recognize it as insignificant.

That being said I can't imagine you could find somebody soft enough for Jake to be able to beat them, and still have the audacity to call it a World Title Fight.

Not a bad call Gil.
Currently though the WBA champ is Muslim Gadzhimagomedov an Olympic Silver medalist and 2 x World Amatuer Champ. I don't see Paul getting close to a fight like that.
Kevin Lerena is the WBC champ who doesn't seem to be anything special but Jake Paul lost to Tommy Fury... I agree even with a weak champion I don't see how JP can beat anyone outside of landing a miracle punch.

FWIW I like bridgerweight in theory but I think they got the weights wrong. Scaling cruiser back to 190 and bridger being somewhere around 205-210 would have been the right call IMO.

[gilgamesh]

I personally think the entire division is a joke, and I'll never recognize any "Champion" at Bridgerweight as a Boxing Champion at all. They're just Heavyweights who are scared of Heavyweights.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I personally think the entire division is a joke, and I'll never recognize any "Champion" at Bridgerweight as a Boxing Champion at all. They're just Heavyweights who are scared of Heavyweights.

Bullshit division.

Guys like Wilder and Usyk have proven what a piss division.