Jake Paul vs. Carl Froch - Who wins?

[Noxy]

This is just talk. It won't happen.

[Frostieballs]

It’s defo not gonna happen, but if it did Froch wouldn’t fall over for $20m. He’s too proud.

He would smash Paul into next week.

Tyson is every bit his 58 years - if not more. He’s been in and out of hospital and been on mushrooms and weed for years.

Froch is a very young 48 and was taking part in iron man’s etc not long back I believe.

There are people in the 45-50 year age group running marathons in three hours.

Froch is not going to be stood there, rooted to the spot and unable to get his shots of is he?

[coneye]

It’s defo not gonna happen, but if it did Froch wouldn’t fall over for $20m. He’s too proud.

He would smash Paul into next week.

Tyson is every bit his 58 years - if not more. He’s been in and out of hospital and been on mushrooms and weed for years.

Froch is a very young 48 and was taking part in iron man’s etc not long back I believe.

There are people in the 45-50 year age group running marathons in three hours.

Froch is not going to be stood there, rooted to the spot and unable to get his shots of is he?

No he's not , he is going to be very capable , his conditioning will be there , and it would be a ex world champ in good condition absolutly belting a NOVICE BOXER and why because he says the novice boxer handpicks his opponents and wants to avenge the good name of boxing , , WHO'S BEING THE BULLY THERE , and include Bellow in that , personally think he would take the loss , take the 20 mill (if offered ) and cry robbery , otherwise , why keep going on trying to generate a fight thats not gonna happen

[Grilling Machine]

Tyson lost his fire a long, long time ago. As far back as the '80s arguably.

He could've started camp with nowt but a diet to get close to 200 to minimise his injury risk for cardio. I went from the 160s to 190s during lockdown, and even that was enough to introduce age-related hip and ankle problems I'd never had from running before.

Point 2: there's a significant difference between 48 and 58. Some people drop off as much in that period as from their early 30s to late 40s.

If Froch's chin is 70% as good, his engine and pride are guaranteed to surpass Paul's. He never had the feet of a young James Brown on hot coals, so that and his timing might frustrate him into clumsiness, but he's way too much dog in him for Paul unless he suddenly can't hold a shot any more. And Paul's no bigger natty, he just trades stamina for gym power.

Point 3: Moorer and Wilson were knocked out by Foreman and Witherspoon when the latter were 45.

Those additional years are obviously really important, but Tyson seemingly came to terms with his epilogue when he wiped Lewis' cheek 22 years ago. Acquiescence to a fellow legend might not prove that was a universal or permanent sentiment, but he's done nothing since to indicate otherwise.

[Fray Bentos]

Ok , put this rubbish to bed ,, Fray and Coco hit nail on head . JP would win , WHY , because Froch would be signing a contract , probably with a non disclosure added , IF HE DID'NT DO HAS HE WAS PAID lose HE WOULD'NT GET PAID quite simple really is'nt it , Why would he do it simple DOLLARS probably 20-30 million of them .

Now lets get to the nitty gritty , Jake Paul is a local area boxer at best , jeez Tyson could see the openings , my missis could see them , and like she sad , Tysons that slow she could off left her armchair flew to Saudi jumped in and connected before Tyson did ,, but he's a showman .

With Jake Paul you get what you pay for entertainment , he's not a proper profesional fighter , but lets have it right for a guy who took it up at a late age look at how well he's done, the money he's made, and the money he's allowed others to make, including Tommy Fury and Tyson , The hate well he thrives on that, it pays his bills and makes him rich , but its all ENTERTAINMENT , I mean c'mon does anyone really believe him, or believe that he really thinks he can beat Canelo , or he really is the best , stop shaking your heads getting angry at the guy and just think how clever he is he makes more interest on his money in a day than most make in a year .

Now when you want to talk bullshit , you have to talk Froch and Bellow

Why ,, because JP well he sprouts shite , gives people a big payday but also does at the end of it , pay them well and shows them respect , has he did Tyson , ,

why though i don't know , i bet Teddy Atlas neice the woman he raped , and his ex wife , were cheering for JP .

Anyway he's a ciRcus act , but yet Bellow FLYS over to the states , to try shame him . Froch gets hits on his u tube channel by shaming him .

Both have called him a coward , for fighting old men , Both have said he's not a boxer he's only had one fight and lost that to a novice (fury ) , Both have said they would fight him

So who's who and who's what in the camp , on the one hand you have a non boxer , one fight one loss , a few exhibitions , taking on an old ex world champ, and paying him 20 mill , plus taking it easy when said old man got tired , and you have 2 ex world champs both still in good condition , calling him a bully and offering to fight him , because they want part of the JP money . So realisticly who's the bully , the novice for paying an old man a fortune to be part of his circus ,and taking it easy on him.

OR the 2 ex world champs , who say they want to KO the novice and take some of his money for doing it .

Now you can't have it both ways , if he's a novice ex world champs in GOOD CONDITION will KO him

But we both know , that IF and its i suppose a big IF , they are lucky enough to secure a spot in the circus ring with the head clown , it will be scripted and they will do HAS THERE TOLD, OR NOT GET PAID ,

I know that , the public know that , and whats more THEY KNOW THAT . So who in fact are the good clown and the bad clowns , who are the bullies , .

Bellow and Froch are going to do one thing or the other if they got the fight there clamoring for , they will become part of the circus , follow the script and get well paid , Froch can go buy more houses in Nottingham , and Bellow can finally retire to blackpool with his nan and spend the rest of his days eating ice cream on the foreshore

or

They could both go the other way , say my prides worth more than money , refuse the script on the night and KO a NOVICE CLOWN , then ask yourself WHO'S THE BULLY .

Myself i don't like the circus much , never did have much of a sence of humor , so just like at the circus when i've took my grandkids , i watch the other acts trapeze ect , and yawn at the clowns . I feel the same with this rubbish , it was on for free so i watched and enjoyed , the Barrios fight and even though i hate to admit it i actually enjoyed the womens fight , but JP and Tyson , Naaw i just glance over watching tit bits while i made me and the missis a cuppa and a sandwich .

BUT I NEVER HAD TO PAY FOR IT if i did i'd would off gone for a drive to the pub instead .. Whats more if Bellow OR fRCH GOT THE NEXT GIG , i would'nt watch that either unless it had a good undercard and was for free , whats more IF i was JP i would insist Bellow OR fROCH COME IN AND JOIN THE CIRCUS PROPER , I'D MAKE THEM DO THERE RING WALK WITH BIG BOOTS AND A BIG RED CLOWN NOSE ON ,, gonna join the circus may has well do it proper

Exactly!

They call him a clown but want the clowns money.

It's not Jake Paul bringing boxing into disrepute, it's the boxers with legacies who want a massive payday off him but the reality is none of them are marquee enough to get Jake Paul's attention so they will keep on trying and failing.

[DrDuke]

Froch is too young to face Paul.

[HomicideHenry]

Paul wins.

Name me a single example of a man who was gone for more than a decade without any tune ups nearly 50 years old jumping up 2 weight classes being able to beat even a solid journeyman? I'll wait.

This is all nostalgia talking from fans. There is a reason why we do not see these guys make come backs in their late 40s and 50s. I don't like the stunt the kid pulled any more than anyone else, but Froch would get embarrassed more times than not.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

[KiwiRider]

If Froch takes 20 million to lose and say JP is a good fighter......

How many folk would turn down 20 million?

Froch loves the pound note

Don't we all, but also Froch isn't a fan of the misfits stuff (without jeopardising the gravy train of course) and I think he would love nothing more than flattening Paul at Wembley in front of 80,000 people. But he would be cool about it afterwards, probably never mention it again.

[MasterG]

Jake would never

Of course he would, he wrote the script for Tyson. He can write the script for Froch too.

[coneye]

48 is too far gone to turn back the clock
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Against a top 10 fighter for sure , against a virtual novice , , ' slash entertainer , No

[Frostieballs]

Paul wins.

Name me a single example of a man who was gone for more than a decade without any tune ups nearly 50 years old jumping up 2 weight classes being able to beat even a solid journeyman? I'll wait.

This is all nostalgia talking from fans. There is a reason why we do not see these guys make come backs in their late 40s and 50s. I don't like the stunt the kid pulled any more than anyone else, but Froch would get embarrassed more times than not.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

It’s Jake Paul mate. A roided up plodder who has only ever fought once legitimate boxers and lost.

Would Froch lose to Tommy Fury?

As I said above, Carl is a young 48. He’s not been sat around doing nothing for ten years, unlike Tyson.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Paul wins.

Name me a single example of a man who was gone for more than a decade without any tune ups nearly 50 years old jumping up 2 weight classes being able to beat even a solid journeyman? I'll wait.

This is all nostalgia talking from fans. There is a reason why we do not see these guys make come backs in their late 40s and 50s. I don't like the stunt the kid pulled any more than anyone else, but Froch would get embarrassed more times than not.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

I mean even Foreman was out for 10 years, but was still a decent 38 years old when he returned.

Even then, he had a good number of knockover bouts to get back into the rhythm.

[hhaehre]

Would Froch lose to Tommy Fury?

Yes he would

[stujones]

Froch being up for it is the most compelling reason for him winning - he really wants to punch Paul.

Where are the "48 and and a ten year lay off is too much" brigade...?

Right here. Care to list all the 48 year olds with successful comebacks after being retired for 10 years?

How old was Henry Maske when he should have been awarded a version of the WBA belt after a 10 year lay off. Decisively beat a guy, who beat him decisively 10 years previously who was a world champion at the time.

[stujones]

Some genuine intrigue if this was legitimate. If a proper fight I don’t think it would be close either way, either Froch still has enough left to completely school him, or he doesn’t and Paul would win clearly.

[golden_labrador]

who cares? could this be in a new Boxrec category called Celebrity Boxing instead of here?

[Controversial]

who cares? could this be in a new Boxrec category called Celebrity Boxing instead of here?

Good idea!!

[handsofstone]

Jake would never

Of course he would, he wrote the script for Tyson. He can write the script for Froch too.

You do know Carl Froch eh? Far too much pride to sell himself to the likes of Jake Paul, he'll go out to do serious damage

[hhaehre]

Froch being up for it is the most compelling reason for him winning - he really wants to punch Paul.

Where are the "48 and and a ten year lay off is too much" brigade...?

Right here. Care to list all the 48 year olds with successful comebacks after being retired for 10 years?

How old was Henry Maske when he should have been awarded a version of the WBA belt after a 10 year lay off. Decisively beat a guy, who beat him decisively 10 years previously who was a world champion at the time.

He was 43, fighting another 43 year old in his weight class. Impressive win though.

[coneye]

Point 2: there's a significant difference between 48 and 58. Some people drop off as much in that period as from their early 30s to late 40s.

This is dead right , someone like Froch who has kept himself in shape even more so , I would bet money Froch would still be fitter than most guys half his age ,

[MasterG]

Jake would never

Of course he would, he wrote the script for Tyson. He can write the script for Froch too.

You do know Carl Froch eh? Far too much pride to sell himself to the likes of Jake Paul, he'll go out to do serious damage

I don't know how wealthy Froch is but an extra 20m could go a long way.

[Coco]

Would Bellew do it for 20 million?
Or at least do it for his kids?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Tyson looked good in terms of his musculature, but his cardio has been shot for decades.

Unlike Tyson, Froch hasn't been blazing industrial quantities of weed for 3 decades, and I'd imagine he is pretty much as fit as Jake Paul.

Provided his reflexes were not completely shot, I'd favour Froch to batter Paul, whose technique is pretty much club fighter level.

However, I doubt very much Paul would take a risk of a liveish opponent.

[Coco]

However, I doubt very much Paul would take a risk of a liveish opponent.

Until Froch was 58!

End of the day JP is one of the biggest shows in town, everyone is treated and paid well, just do you wanna buy it or not?

Bellew certainly wants in, 20 million good reasons to do it

[stujones]

Tyson looked good in terms of his musculature, but his cardio has been shot for decades.

Unlike Tyson, Froch hasn't been blazing industrial quantities of weed for 3 decades, and I'd imagine he is pretty much as fit as Jake Paul.

Provided his reflexes were not completely shot, I'd favour Froch to batter Paul, whose technique is pretty much club fighter level.

However, I doubt very much Paul would take a risk of a liveish opponent.

I think there would be a lot of individual differences when it is a 48 year old. Obviously we have seen the likes of Bernard Hopkins fight at genuine world level at that age, but then we have also seen fighters shuffling around at a far younger age. Sometines, it is simple genetics - whilst whether they have been a clean liver etc plays a part, it is not a given.

Whilst an exhibition vs a real fight makes a lot of difference, particularly when there isn't the crowd pumping - but look at the difference in Tyson in 4 years - that wasn't because RJJ was also old - as people said, he looked an old 58 by any 58 year old, whereas at 54 he looked good for 54.