Jake Paul vs. Carl Froch - Who wins?

[Controversial]

Whilst an exhibition vs a real fight makes a lot of difference, particularly when there isn't the crowd pumping - but look at the difference in Tyson in 4 years - that wasn't because RJJ was also old - as people said, he looked an old 58 by any 58 year old, whereas at 54 he looked good for 54.

Or was it just his knee was so screwed he couldn’t move? Tyson was springing forward in the short training clips and looked far more mobile. By fight night he looked unsteady on his feet and rooted to the spot with his knee heavily strapped up.

[dan28uk]

carl froch is 47

[coneye]

In general you lookesd at Tyson and first thought would be , not a bad specemin for 58 , then look closer and you can see its the steroids , , Look at his face especielly in between them rnds , and he looked more towards 68 than 58 and he was not in a fight he was just moving , personaly i thought fook sake if JP puts it on him and makes him work hard the guys gonna have an heart attack , he looked excatly what he is a dope smoking steroid filled OLD MAN .

[CaptainSpacerod]

Jake’s fit, strong and dedicated and by all accounts leads the life of a pro boxer with access to better training and sports science than many actual pros.

He might well have no talent whatsoever but his work ethic has probably brought him to the level of someone who wouldn’t be embarrassed in an area level fight.

Jake’s in his physical prime whereas Froch is waaaaaay past his with significantly reduced stamina, explosivity, reflexes, punch resistance and timing.

If normal rules apply - 3 minute rounds and 10 oz gloves - I’d have thought Jake wins this pretty handily

[si7dog7]

Big John’s gotta be in the JP conversation surely?

[HomicideHenry]

Big John’s gotta be in the JP conversation surely?

After what we saw between Mike Tyson and Jake Paul I have no doubt John Fury would have kicked Mike Tyson's ass.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

[Grilling Machine]

Similar stamina, so they'd either shuffle around effectively asking each other what they were looking at, or Fury'd wade in square with his 1-2s on the bell and it's a question of who lands.

There is a reason why we do not see these guys make come backs in their late 40s and 50s.

That nobody's done it against quality opposition is implicit in your statement here. Jake Paul's more like an ADC darts regional for someone like Barney.

And again, Moorer was an active champ when Foreman beat him. Wilson was never on that level and coming to the end when Witherspoon got to him, but 9 years the junior and the first man to stop Briggs.

Talking of old Shannon, he narrowly missed this circus boat, didn't he. The paddleboard incident would've catapulted him into contention. He could always try recycling "Let's go, Jake!" I suppose. Needs a prank or two to jump the queue, though.

Unlike Tyson, Froch hasn't been blazing industrial quantities of weed for 3 decades, and I'd imagine he is pretty much as fit as Jake Paul.

If he trained to win this fight, I'd be surprised if his running times weren't faster than Paul's. He's got that wiry build that befits a lot of half decent middle-distance runners at club level.

Groves hit harder but couldn't match his natural athleticism, no matter his training intensity. George might even find it harder to train for a Paul fight TBH.

[HomicideHenry]

The thing is, I have seen guys in their 40s who were great come back and lose to journeymen. Earnie Shavers lost to a guy named Brian Yates who was 5-16-2 by 2nd round knockout. Razor Ruddock was stopped in 3 rounds by the 8-2-0 Dillon Carman who was previously kayoed by a 4-2 opponent. Etc.

It's not pretty. I'm not for these wide age differentials in mid level or higher boxing matches unless they're able to prove they're able to beat tiersmen and journeymen first. There's nothing sadder in sports than to see some once beloved athlete return for egotistical or financial reasons and get beat by someone they could have poleaxed in one round at their best.

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

[Grilling Machine]

There's nothing sadder in sports than to see some once beloved athlete return for egotistical or financial reasons and get beat by someone they could have poleaxed in one round at their best.

It's always been the case until now that comebacking fighters have to compete on the pro circuit, else the money isn't there. Unless you're doing it for the apparent sake of it like Danny Williams, broke old fighters have long gambled with danger. And the results are sad, aye. Almost invariably.

But then here's a golden opportunity to earn way more money at a heavily discounted risk. It's not just retired pros who'd love to fight Paul, cos about a third of us on this forum would! There's at least one person in every amateur club I know. Compare that to a show of hands for Beterbiev.

[skanksta]

Froch being up for it is the most compelling reason for him winning - he really wants to punch Paul.

Where are the "48 and and a ten year lay off is too much" brigade...?

Right here. Care to list all the 48 year olds with successful comebacks after being retired for 10 years?

Yeah, but Froch never got bashed up, quit on his own terms, is barely a lb over his prime...
AND HE ONLY HAS TO BEAT JAKE PAUL...

[Nightmare Roy]

Froch is an old man now, not saying he will lose but people thinking he will be close to as good as he was are completely deluded.

[hhaehre]

Froch being up for it is the most compelling reason for him winning - he really wants to punch Paul.

Where are the "48 and and a ten year lay off is too much" brigade...?

Right here. Care to list all the 48 year olds with successful comebacks after being retired for 10 years?

Yeah, but Froch never got bashed up, quit on his own terms, is barely a lb over his prime...
AND HE ONLY HAS TO BEAT JAKE PAUL...

I have no doubt that Froch is very fit for his age and his cardio could well be better than Paul's, but he will have lost speed, power and reflexes. Jake Paul is also about two weight classes above Froch. I like Froch and if they did fight I would cheer for him and hope that he could somehow turn back the clock, but I just don't see it.

[Fray Bentos]

Right here. Care to list all the 48 year olds with successful comebacks after being retired for 10 years?

Yeah, but Froch never got bashed up, quit on his own terms, is barely a lb over his prime...
AND HE ONLY HAS TO BEAT JAKE PAUL...

I have no doubt that Froch is very fit for his age and his cardio could well be better than Paul's, but he will have lost speed, power and reflexes. Jake Paul is also about two weight classes above Froch. I like Froch and if they did fight I would cheer for him and hope that he could somehow turn back the clock, but I just don't see it.

Also, people say he has journeyman skills but he is probably the only boxer of a lower level to be able to do it full time and get in the best trainers, masseurs, sparring etc and he is improving. He isn't bad - he isn't world class and he will never be that but he probably is good enough to beat a 48 year old after a ten year lay off. He doesn't have to concentrate on earning a living outside the ring on the doors, boxercise, debt collecting etc.

That and Paul will decide what the rules are going to be, where the fight is held, who the judges and referee is going to be, what size ring, gloves - he has the upper hand in everything other than skill.

When you have the likes of Dubois hearing 'kerching' and calling him out, Froch isn't even in the queue anyway.

[Steveh583]

Yeah, but Froch never got bashed up, quit on his own terms, is barely a lb over his prime...
AND HE ONLY HAS TO BEAT JAKE PAUL...

I have no doubt that Froch is very fit for his age and his cardio could well be better than Paul's, but he will have lost speed, power and reflexes. Jake Paul is also about two weight classes above Froch. I like Froch and if they did fight I would cheer for him and hope that he could somehow turn back the clock, but I just don't see it.

Also, people say he has journeyman skills but he is probably the only boxer of a lower level to be able to do it full time and get in the best trainers, masseurs, sparring etc and he is improving. He isn't bad - he isn't world class and he will never be that but he probably is good enough to beat a 48 year old after a ten year lay off. He doesn't have to concentrate on earning a living outside the ring on the doors, boxercise, debt collecting etc.

That and Paul will decide what the rules are going to be, where the fight is held, who the judges and referee is going to be, what size ring, gloves - he has the upper hand in everything other than skill.

When you have the likes of Dubois hearing 'kerching' and calling him out, Froch isn't even in the queue anyway.

froch still trains everyday, but i think its all weights.

[HomicideHenry]

There is a difference between being in shape for your age and boxing shape. Froch would have to train 6 months I suspect before he'd be in shape for a proper training camp with sparring, strength training, etc. It'd take basically a year in order for him to properly do it.

Unless his ego is that big and he would jump straight into a training camp underestimating Paul thinking he'd win easily, only to find had he trained a few months longer he'd of had more of a gas tank and sharper reflexes. It'll cost him if he does that.

Plus since he is older, a training camp might actually burn him out. It takes your body longer to recover the older you get. He'd need more rest periods, etc. Because if he tried to do it exactly like when he was in his prime he'll find midway through that his body ain't cooperating and he'd have to go into overdrive on YouTube, etc pretending he's in the best shape of his life and ready when it'd really be a psychological ploy to try and make Paul think he's a genuine threat when really he's thinking, "I gotta fake it to make it because everything is not firing on all cylinders."

Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all

[Nightmare Roy]

Yeah, but Froch never got bashed up, quit on his own terms, is barely a lb over his prime...
AND HE ONLY HAS TO BEAT JAKE PAUL...

I have no doubt that Froch is very fit for his age and his cardio could well be better than Paul's, but he will have lost speed, power and reflexes. Jake Paul is also about two weight classes above Froch. I like Froch and if they did fight I would cheer for him and hope that he could somehow turn back the clock, but I just don't see it.

Also, people say he has journeyman skills but he is probably the only boxer of a lower level to be able to do it full time and get in the best trainers, masseurs, sparring etc and he is improving. He isn't bad - he isn't world class and he will never be that but he probably is good enough to beat a 48 year old after a ten year lay off. He doesn't have to concentrate on earning a living outside the ring on the doors, boxercise, debt collecting etc.

That and Paul will decide what the rules are going to be, where the fight is held, who the judges and referee is going to be, what size ring, gloves - he has the upper hand in everything other than skill.

When you have the likes of Dubois hearing 'kerching' and calling him out, Froch isn't even in the queue anyway.

I'd much rather seen him in a real fight with Froch, it would be interesting

[Controversial]

Richie Woodhall (56) was talking on a podcast the other day saying how much you decline when you age and stop boxing, basically saying your body goes soft as you aren’t getting punched anymore and although you may be fit and able to dish it out your ability to take punches goes. He said he was 31 the last time he had a competitive spar and although he’s still very fit he wouldn’t be able to fight again as he couldn’t take the punches anymore.

[margaret thatcher]

Richie Woodhall (56) was talking on a podcast the other day saying how much you decline when you age and stop boxing, basically saying your body goes soft as you aren’t getting punched anymore and although you may be fit and able to dish it out your ability to take punches goes. He said he was 31 the last time he had a competitive spar and although he’s still very fit he wouldn’t be able to fight again as he couldn’t take the punches anymore.

you think froch would smash jp up though? i guess he's not as old

[Controversial]

Richie Woodhall (56) was talking on a podcast the other day saying how much you decline when you age and stop boxing, basically saying your body goes soft as you aren’t getting punched anymore and although you may be fit and able to dish it out your ability to take punches goes. He said he was 31 the last time he had a competitive spar and although he’s still very fit he wouldn’t be able to fight again as he couldn’t take the punches anymore.

you think froch would smash jp up though? i guess he's not as old

Yeah I think Froch would win, big difference between 47 and 56 but I do still think there’s an element of living in the past with a lot of fighters, thinking they can do what they used to do. But I guess we are all like that in a way. Froch was never hard to hit and don’t think has boxed at all still retiring so who knows how much he could take now as a 47 year old. I doubt he can train with half the intensity he used to train at either, with the injuries he has and just taking longer to recover as you age.

[Controversial]

A similar analogy is watching Jimmy White (62) play snooker these days, he was interviewed recently and said he thinks he can win the world championship again lol. He is miles away from his best and looks very average these days and has done for many years, he’s living in fantasy land if he thinks he’s still capable of winning major tournaments but obviously still thinks he can.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Now Andre Ward wants the fight with Paul.