nobleart1978 wrote: ↑19 Nov 2024, 05:28Why has this post gone off on a tangent about Kostya Tszyu and suicide?
The question I want the answer to is has Barry gone on the show so he can recoup some money back relatively quickly that he may have had to pay Frampton because he or his promotional company ripped him off ?
Because it's a boxing forum and we can't help reminiscing about epic fights!
And yeah, hope thw Frampton situation gets sorted amicably.
Do people really rate that win highly? Tszyu was long past his best when Hatton beat him.
true.. I think cus its the one big name that Hatton beat and no one wants to take it away from him.. ]
So, it gets hyped a lot.
Dear me - he'd banjoed Sharmba Mitchell in his fight previous. Its revisionism at its worst to slag off this win for Hatton. One of the best wins by a British fighter we've seen.
Yeah it was a great win, I think he was top 3 p4p when that fight happened.
veriton wrote: ↑20 Nov 2024, 02:45
Why is he being called Dodgy Barry in the thread title? The man is an absolute legend of boxing, in and out of the ring.
Genuinely perplexed as boxing is full of dodgy characters and McGuigan is hardly one of them.
Not saying he hasnt had a few wrangles, but who hasnt.
He robbed his so called son blind, the absolute worst plus people have been saying for years on here that he's a horrible person and that the nice guy image is a charade, what him and his family done to Frampton was unforgivable and one of the worst things i can remember in boxing and thats some feat
nobleart1978 wrote: ↑19 Nov 2024, 05:28
Why has this post gone off on a tangent about Kostya Tszyu and suicide?
The question I want the answer to is has Barry gone on the show so he can recoup some money back relatively quickly that he may have had to pay Frampton because he or his promotional company ripped him off ?
Your answer is properly yes, he has gone on the show for the pay day.
veriton wrote: ↑20 Nov 2024, 02:45
Why is he being called Dodgy Barry in the thread title? The man is an absolute legend of boxing, in and out of the ring.
Genuinely perplexed as boxing is full of dodgy characters and McGuigan is hardly one of them.
Not saying he hasnt had a few wrangles, but who hasnt.
He robbed his so called son blind, the absolute worst plus people have been saying for years on here that he's a horrible person and that the nice guy image is a charade, what him and his family done to Frampton was unforgivable and one of the worst things i can remember in boxing and thats some feat
veriton wrote: ↑20 Nov 2024, 02:45
Why is he being called Dodgy Barry in the thread title? The man is an absolute legend of boxing, in and out of the ring.
Genuinely perplexed as boxing is full of dodgy characters and McGuigan is hardly one of them.
Not saying he hasnt had a few wrangles, but who hasnt.
He robbed his so called son blind, the absolute worst plus people have been saying for years on here that he's a horrible person and that the nice guy image is a charade, what him and his family done to Frampton was unforgivable and one of the worst things i can remember in boxing and thats some feat
You’ve still not provided any evidence of this
Can I suggest you start with Carl Frampton’s autobiography to get an insight. Noting that Frampton hasn’t been sued by McGuigan for libel.
handsofstone wrote: ↑20 Nov 2024, 03:22
He robbed his so called son blind, the absolute worst plus people have been saying for years on here that he's a horrible person and that the nice guy image is a charade, what him and his family done to Frampton was unforgivable and one of the worst things i can remember in boxing and thats some feat
You’ve still not provided any evidence of this
Can I suggest you start with Carl Frampton’s autobiography to get an insight. Noting that Frampton hasn’t been sued by McGuigan for libel.
veriton wrote: ↑20 Nov 2024, 02:45
Why is he being called Dodgy Barry in the thread title? The man is an absolute legend of boxing, in and out of the ring.
Genuinely perplexed as boxing is full of dodgy characters and McGuigan is hardly one of them.
Not saying he hasnt had a few wrangles, but who hasnt.
He robbed his so called son blind, the absolute worst plus people have been saying for years on here that he's a horrible person and that the nice guy image is a charade, what him and his family done to Frampton was unforgivable and one of the worst things i can remember in boxing and thats some feat
I make you right. Barry had his own legal issues with Barney Eastwood when he was boxing. So he knew how it felt to be taken advantage of. If you read Carl's book then you will know there were a lot of financial irregularities. Carl settled out of court and was reportedly very happy with the settlement so that tells me what I need to to know. The one thing that boils my piss is fighters getting ripped off. Anyone that does that is a wrong un in my book
veriton wrote: ↑20 Nov 2024, 02:45
Why is he being called Dodgy Barry in the thread title? The man is an absolute legend of boxing, in and out of the ring.
Genuinely perplexed as boxing is full of dodgy characters and McGuigan is hardly one of them.
Not saying he hasnt had a few wrangles, but who hasnt.
He robbed his so called son blind, the absolute worst plus people have been saying for years on here that he's a horrible person and that the nice guy image is a charade, what him and his family done to Frampton was unforgivable and one of the worst things i can remember in boxing and thats some feat
McGuigan is far from "an absolute boxing legend" as called by handsofstone earlier in this forum.
On the domestic front he never fought Pat Cowdell circa 1983/4. Granted he had a very good win against Juan Laporte but was cleverly matched against the ancient Pedroza by Eastwood who was well in with the WBA. Barry struggled in every fight thereafter.
He was a darling of the BBC because of "the troubles" which should not come in to or cloud the debate over his ring achievments.
nobleart1978 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 09:04
McGuigan is far from "an absolute boxing legend" as called by handsofstone earlier in this forum.
On the domestic front he never fought Pat Cowdell circa 1983/4. Granted he had a very good win against Juan Laporte but was cleverly matched against the ancient Pedroza by Eastwood who was well in with the WBA. Barry struggled in every fight thereafter.
He was a darling of the BBC because of "the troubles" which should not come in to or cloud the debate over his ring achievments.
Yes, he did. He didn't struggle in the fights before that, though. Jean Marc Renard, Valerio Nati, Jose Caba. He hammered a string of high-level operators on the way up in a way you rarely see. The thing is, he peaked early because his all-action style wasn't made for longevity. He was also big at the weight and should possibly have moved up after winning the title.
His popularity was huge during the '80s. Sure, his unifying influence during the troubles was a theme. But you can't say that's what made him so big. He was very exciting and personable and often topped the bill with Eastwood's backing.
nobleart1978 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 09:04
McGuigan is far from "an absolute boxing legend" as called by handsofstone earlier in this forum.
On the domestic front he never fought Pat Cowdell circa 1983/4. Granted he had a very good win against Juan Laporte but was cleverly matched against the ancient Pedroza by Eastwood who was well in with the WBA. Barry struggled in every fight thereafter.
He was a darling of the BBC because of "the troubles" which should not come in to or cloud the debate over his ring achievments.
He's certainly a British & Irish legend of boxing, he was absolutely huge, with some very meaningful wins, whether you like him or not.
nobleart1978 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 09:04
McGuigan is far from "an absolute boxing legend" as called by handsofstone earlier in this forum.
On the domestic front he never fought Pat Cowdell circa 1983/4. Granted he had a very good win against Juan Laporte but was cleverly matched against the ancient Pedroza by Eastwood who was well in with the WBA. Barry struggled in every fight thereafter.
He was a darling of the BBC because of "the troubles" which should not come in to or cloud the debate over his ring achievments.
Being a legend isn’t all about what happens in the ring.
Personalities and out of the ring events can also contribute to this.
He was huge on both sides of the Irish Sea. Watched by almost 20 million people in one fight at least.
handsofstone wrote: ↑20 Nov 2024, 03:22
He robbed his so called son blind, the absolute worst plus people have been saying for years on here that he's a horrible person and that the nice guy image is a charade, what him and his family done to Frampton was unforgivable and one of the worst things i can remember in boxing and thats some feat
You’ve still not provided any evidence of this
Can I suggest you start with Carl Frampton’s autobiography to get an insight. Noting that Frampton hasn’t been sued by McGuigan for libel.
Won’t be reading that.
I used to be a fan of Carl’s & supported him even against a fellow Englishman in Quigg but I lost all respect for him when he joined up with Kinahan & certainly won’t be purchasing his book to read his version of events.
nobleart1978 wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 09:04
McGuigan is far from "an absolute boxing legend" as called by handsofstone earlier in this forum.
On the domestic front he never fought Pat Cowdell circa 1983/4. Granted he had a very good win against Juan Laporte but was cleverly matched against the ancient Pedroza by Eastwood who was well in with the WBA. Barry struggled in every fight thereafter.
He was a darling of the BBC because of "the troubles" which should not come in to or cloud the debate over his ring achievments.
Being a legend isn’t all about what happens in the ring.
Personalities and out of the ring events can also contribute to this.
He was huge on both sides of the Irish Sea. Watched by almost 20 million people in one fight at least.
Just the fact he was a household name like Frank Bruno demonstrates how they captured the public's imagination, that was never the case with Joe Calzaghe.
McGuigan can genuinely say he was the best in the world at his weight for a short period
