Dodgy Barry In The Jungle

[Coco]

You’ve still not provided any evidence of this

Can I suggest you start with Carl Frampton’s autobiography to get an insight. Noting that Frampton hasn’t been sued by McGuigan for libel.

Won’t be reading that.

I used to be a fan of Carl’s & supported him even against a fellow Englishman in Quigg but I lost all respect for him when he joined up with Kinahan & certainly won’t be purchasing his book to read his version of events.

Let's ask for evidence and refuse to read it.....

[nobleart1978]

20 million people used to watch because it was on BBC1 and there were only three other channels available in the mid 80s

[jamesmcdonnell]

The wins over Pedroza and Tszyu were remarkably similar, both at the ends of long hard careers, both being given huge paydays and fighting in the lions den.

Both were very very good wins, both Pedroza and Tszyu were still top level fighters, though from what I hear, Tszyu was carrying serious injuries in training for the bout.

I'd say they are comparable victories.

[Frostieballs]

20 million people used to watch because it was on BBC1 and there were only three other channels available in the mid 80s

You are kind of arguing against your own point here.

The fact he was featured on terrestrial TV at a time when there were limited viewing options is part of the reason he became a ‘legend’.

If he’d had an identical ring career on Sky, there is every chance he would have had a significantly lower profile career.

[a force]

Can I suggest you start with Carl Frampton’s autobiography to get an insight. Noting that Frampton hasn’t been sued by McGuigan for libel.

Won’t be reading that.

I used to be a fan of Carl’s & supported him even against a fellow Englishman in Quigg but I lost all respect for him when he joined up with Kinahan & certainly won’t be purchasing his book to read his version of events.

Let's ask for evidence and refuse to read it.....

I’ve no problem with you quoting what he’s said but I was told to read his book which I’m assuming I’d need to pay for?

[nobleart1978]

Most people don't have Sky Sports. That is why most people in the street would not recognise a world champion if they fell over them.

It was very different in the 80s. You could win the British title back then and you would be on Wogan the following night and Celebrity Squares the following week!

Everybody would know about you and you would become what they used to call "an housewives favourite."

Totally different world back then.

[Cask]

He robbed his so called son blind, the absolute worst plus people have been saying for years on here that he's a horrible person and that the nice guy image is a charade, what him and his family done to Frampton was unforgivable and one of the worst things i can remember in boxing and thats some feat

You’ve still not provided any evidence of this

Can I suggest you start with Carl Frampton’s autobiography to get an insight. Noting that Frampton hasn’t been sued by McGuigan for libel.

The one where he says moving to MTK was the best decision he ever made, then tried to confront someone in the YouTube comments who said So what about Daniel Kinahan paying your legal fees, and he effed off sharpish. "I seem him once in a Dubai hotel" from Barry the Burgler to Kinahan the Cancerous Killer

Jamie Moore was given Frampton to train because he was shot by Hutch, not because Framptons dad randomly suggested him

[rio]

Read Framptons book. It's certainly shines a light on how much the McGugians shafted him. Frampton had receipts for every claim he made. Barry and his Mrs seems to be front and center to what was going on. If I remember rightly Frampton talks about Barry doing impressions of one of his wife relations who has bona spifida. At the end of the day Frampton, Josh Taylor, Lee McGregor, Anto Cacace and Chantelle Cameron all have left the McGugians after various issues..... Can't be smoke without fire.

I believe Frampton addressed why he went with MTK in his book also. From what I remember he said they took 0% management fees/cut so it was a no brainer especially after get shafted by Bazza. Carls no a dumb guy. I'm sure he knew what was going on and turned a blind eye. I think most people in his situation would have done the same.

[coneye]

Suppose its not up to boxers , there trainers or managers to play judge and jury , especielly with very very dangerous high profile crims , who want to be there mate .

Some could say , King Tut tut could put a stop to any bad things that go on in Saudi , so therefore , boxers should play god and refuse to fight there , BUT why should they , ,

[Ruthless-RKO]

Barry got called sexist and ageist by that Loose Woman lady

[MasterG]

Most people don't have Sky Sports. That is why most people in the street would not recognise a world champion if they fell over them.

It was very different in the 80s. You could win the British title back then and you would be on Wogan the following night and Celebrity Squares the following week!

Everybody would know about you and you would become what they used to call "an housewives favourite."

Totally different world back then.

Absolutely.

Totally agree with the above.

[mickey1975]

Hatton did OK with Sky.

[keithmoonhangover]

Most people don't have Sky Sports. That is why most people in the street would not recognise a world champion if they fell over them.

It was very different in the 80s. You could win the British title back then and you would be on Wogan the following night and Celebrity Squares the following week!

Everybody would know about you and you would become what they used to call "an housewives favourite."

Totally different world back then.

A lot of younger people don't sit down and watch television anymore.

[Cask]

Read Framptons book. It's certainly shines a light on how much the McGugians shafted him. Frampton had receipts for every claim he made. Barry and his Mrs seems to be front and center to what was going on. If I remember rightly Frampton talks about Barry doing impressions of one of his wife relations who has bona spifida. At the end of the day Frampton, Josh Taylor, Lee McGregor, Anto Cacace and Chantelle Cameron all have left the McGugians after various issues..... Can't be smoke without fire.

I believe Frampton addressed why he went with MTK in his book also. From what I remember he said they took 0% management fees/cut so it was a no brainer especially after get shafted by Bazza. Carls no a dumb guy. I'm sure he knew what was going on and turned a blind eye. I think most people in his situation would have done the same.

This is where I absolutely categorically can say I myself absolutely would not , and would expect extreme criticism....at best If I did

Another two faced flash git is Frampton , "from Conman to a Crime Syndicate"

Here I wonder why they can afford not to charge fees

[Cask]

Suppose its not up to boxers , there trainers or managers to play judge and jury , especielly with very very dangerous high profile crims , who want to be there mate .

Some could say , King Tut tut could put a stop to any bad things that go on in Saudi , so therefore , boxers should play god and refuse to fight there , BUT why should they , ,

There are so many reasons why they shouldn't ffs, you don't play god, you understand where the money comes from

I see Islamophobes praising Saudi Arabia for putting on the fights everybody wants to see

[Cask]

Won’t be reading that.

I used to be a fan of Carl’s & supported him even against a fellow Englishman in Quigg but I lost all respect for him when he joined up with Kinahan & certainly won’t be purchasing his book to read his version of events.

Let's ask for evidence and refuse to read it.....

I’ve no problem with you quoting what he’s said but I was told to read his book which I’m assuming I’d need to pay for?

I wish I saved that image of someone asking directly about Kinahan to Carl on an official account of his at the time on a YouTube comment section when Carl tried to be a smart mouth responding with a comment questioning why he never went into detail about MTK in the book

Guy laid it all out in front of him, the bodies the blood ,the dirt, the crime, and Carl wisely, but still humiliatingly , couldn't and didn't respond back

I mean the man hired Alan Wilson ffs

"He said: “He was bigging himself up in the company of those with him on the day.”

In those recordings he was allegedly heard admitting to the attempted murders in which he said: “Remember the shooting at the Player’s Lounge; I done that.”

In another, Wilson expressed amazement at how one of the men survived, saying: “One of them, right in the forehead and five times in the body, it’s amazing how the c***s pull through it, like.”

"A nephew of Martin ‘The General’ Cahill, Wilson had also claimed that being previously tried and acquitted in court over the 2008 murder of Marioara Rostas had ruined his life.

Despite Wilson being cleared of the murder charge, gardaí are not looking for anyone else in relation to the horrific crime.

The 18-year-old was abducted from a street in the capital’s south inner city on January 6 2008, but it would be more than four years later before her body was eventually discovered.

It is suspected that she was brutally gang raped before being fatally shot four times in the head and her body was then buried in the Dublin Mountains."

Yeah Alan Wilson got acquitted of murdering that girl.. Just have a look at that story and make your own mind up, warning, it is not for the faint hearted

The General was the first modern Irish "criminal legend" , who ended up shot by the IRA, Brendan Gleeson played him once

The Wilson family make the ones in Texas Chainsaw seem like the Waltons .


Wilson was acquitted because the main prosecution witness was the criminal he allegedly threatened to kill if he didn't help him get rid of the body. There was never a chance of him going to jail for that poor girls murder, Daniel Kinahan knew they would kill for money though so he happily hired the Wilsons, salt of the earth

[Cask]

McGuigan is a crook who did slander Imane Khaleif and the stuff about him uniting the North was of course complete bollocks because boxing was always non sectarian

And he's a southerner anyway not that yed know

All balance

[Cask]

The week before he made the bone-chilling threats, Luke Wilson (25) had been handed down a 11-year sentence for conspiring to kill a man on behalf of the Kinahan cartel.

During that trial it emerged he idolised his uncles John, Eric and Keith Wilson, feared as ruthless guns-for-hire in the underworld, who had helped raise their nephew.

"I can't get you in here, but I can get you on the way home. I'll cut the throat of you," Luke Wilson told the prison officer.

Eric 'Lucky' Wilson, who is serving 23 years for gunning down a man in Spain, was linked to a dozen gangland killings.

Lucky's brother, Keith, is serving life for the murder of hitman-for-hire Daniel Gaynor, shot dead in front of his family in Finglas in August, 2010.

A third brother, John Wilson, was murdered in an underworld hit in Ballyfermot, west Dublin, in 2012.

The 35-year-old was shot dead in front of his seven-year-old daughter in the doorway of his home by Keith O'Neill, who was later jailed for life.

O'Neill never saw the promised €40,000 for carrying out the hit and no motive for the fatal shooting emerged during the trial.

Nephew Luke showed he has inherited the family ruthlessness when caught on a surveillance tape talking about how he would kill Kinahan target Gary Hanley whether he was holding a baby or not.

He's heard on the tape snorting cocaine and planning how he would shoot Hanley over the strains of John Lennon's peace tune Let It Be, which is playing on the radio.

"Baby or no baby. I don't give a ****," he said.

Luke's cousin Alan Wilson, who has been jailed for his part in the same plot to kill Hanley, is the nephew of infamous criminal Martin 'the General' Cahill, who was shot dead by the IRA in the 1990s.

The prison officer threatened by Luke Wilson told gardai the threat was made with real venom and he was concerned about it.

He said he had never seen that level of aggression from Wilson before and knew he had contacts in the criminal world and was capable of carrying out these threats.

When Wilson was just 18 his close pal Patrick McCann shot him three times.

As he lay on the ground, the gun jammed and Wilson survived his horrific injuries which left him blind in one eye.

McCann had been drawn into the murder plot over a €300 drug debt and had asked Wilson for the gun, turning it on him and shooting him in the face.

[Cask]

Just saying, who's the "dodgier" connections???

[Cask]

After shooting and glass eye fitting