William Scull vs. Vladimir Shishkin | DAZN - October 19, 2024
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Re: William Scull vs. Vladimir Shishkin | DAZN - October 19, 2024
pretty much every report i see on this fight is that shishkin edged an awful fight, glad i didnt watch
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Re: William Scull vs. Vladimir Shishkin | DAZN - October 19, 2024
Attorney files appeal to overturn, review Vladimir Shishkin defeat
Vladimir Shishkin's attorney has filed an appeal with the German boxing commission following the super middleweight's unanimous decision loss to William Scull in an IBF title fight on Saturday, according to the fighter's promoter, Dmitriy Salita.
Although many observers considered scores from the fight to be controversial, all three judges saw it for Scull – a Cuban who lives and trains in Germany, and who fights under the banner of Germany-based AGON Sports – as did a Boxing Scene correspondent.
Keith Idec of Boxing News originally reported news of the appeal.
David Berlin, general counsel and consultant for Salita Promotions (and former executive director of the New York State Athletic Commission), filed the appeal on behalf of Shishkin and Salita, who took issue with a number of developments in the fight – most notably the officiating and scoring.
"The referee didn't penalize or warn William Scull for hitting behind the head, hitting after the bell, holding – things like that," Salita said.
The promoter noted that CompuBox numbers showed Shishkin landing 110 punches to Scull's 80 over the course of the fight, and outlanding or matching his opponent in 8 of 12 rounds. In particular, Salita questioned how judge Rene Fiebig could find the 12th round for Scull, who was outlanded 13-5 in the frame, according to CompuBox, and who seemingly spit out his gumshield in the round but was not penalized by the ref.
Both Fiebig and referee Oliver Brien hail from Germany.
Before the Scull fight, Salita had high hopes of matching Shishkin, 16-1 (10 KOs), with Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, who holds the remaining belts at super middleweight, and he admitted that Saturday's result killed that notion. "There is no fight without the title," Salita told BS. "There is no [Canelo] fight for Shishkin if there is no title."
The promoter hopes the appeal leads to the German commission overturning the fight result and conducting a review with "a neutral panel of judges."
Salita, a former amateur and pro fighter, said he views the situation as an opportunity to begin reforming boxing and doing away with so-called hometown decisions.
"The fighters that are athletes at heart, that spend their lifetime as professionals perfecting their craft – the right man has to win," Salita said. "You know, we outside the ring, the business folks, have to do what they do, to do that for their guy or girl. But inside the ring, justice has to happen."
Vladimir Shishkin's attorney has filed an appeal with the German boxing commission following the super middleweight's unanimous decision loss to William Scull in an IBF title fight on Saturday, according to the fighter's promoter, Dmitriy Salita.
Although many observers considered scores from the fight to be controversial, all three judges saw it for Scull – a Cuban who lives and trains in Germany, and who fights under the banner of Germany-based AGON Sports – as did a Boxing Scene correspondent.
Keith Idec of Boxing News originally reported news of the appeal.
David Berlin, general counsel and consultant for Salita Promotions (and former executive director of the New York State Athletic Commission), filed the appeal on behalf of Shishkin and Salita, who took issue with a number of developments in the fight – most notably the officiating and scoring.
"The referee didn't penalize or warn William Scull for hitting behind the head, hitting after the bell, holding – things like that," Salita said.
The promoter noted that CompuBox numbers showed Shishkin landing 110 punches to Scull's 80 over the course of the fight, and outlanding or matching his opponent in 8 of 12 rounds. In particular, Salita questioned how judge Rene Fiebig could find the 12th round for Scull, who was outlanded 13-5 in the frame, according to CompuBox, and who seemingly spit out his gumshield in the round but was not penalized by the ref.
Both Fiebig and referee Oliver Brien hail from Germany.
Before the Scull fight, Salita had high hopes of matching Shishkin, 16-1 (10 KOs), with Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, who holds the remaining belts at super middleweight, and he admitted that Saturday's result killed that notion. "There is no fight without the title," Salita told BS. "There is no [Canelo] fight for Shishkin if there is no title."
The promoter hopes the appeal leads to the German commission overturning the fight result and conducting a review with "a neutral panel of judges."
Salita, a former amateur and pro fighter, said he views the situation as an opportunity to begin reforming boxing and doing away with so-called hometown decisions.
"The fighters that are athletes at heart, that spend their lifetime as professionals perfecting their craft – the right man has to win," Salita said. "You know, we outside the ring, the business folks, have to do what they do, to do that for their guy or girl. But inside the ring, justice has to happen."
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Re: William Scull vs. Vladimir Shishkin | DAZN - October 19, 2024
Reports about William Scull and Vladimir Shishkin rematch ‘fake news’
Reports about an immediate rematch being ordered by the IBF between the newly-crowned super middleweight champion William Scull and Vladimir Shishkin are inaccurate, according to the Agon Sports promoter Ingo Volckmann.
“This is fake news – there is a letter from the IBF but they did not order an immediate rematch,” Volckmann said. “William will get a bigger fight soon. We’re in talks with some big names and options.”
Scull-Shishkin was a close, tense, tactical fight won by Scull via scores of 116-112, 116-113 and 115-113 but a close fight doesn't necessarily mean that the controversy is justified.
Shishkin's promoter Dmitry Salita made it clear post-fight that they would file an official protest with the German commission to have the decision overturned, but that is yet to happen.
Reports about an immediate rematch being ordered by the IBF between the newly-crowned super middleweight champion William Scull and Vladimir Shishkin are inaccurate, according to the Agon Sports promoter Ingo Volckmann.
“This is fake news – there is a letter from the IBF but they did not order an immediate rematch,” Volckmann said. “William will get a bigger fight soon. We’re in talks with some big names and options.”
Scull-Shishkin was a close, tense, tactical fight won by Scull via scores of 116-112, 116-113 and 115-113 but a close fight doesn't necessarily mean that the controversy is justified.
Shishkin's promoter Dmitry Salita made it clear post-fight that they would file an official protest with the German commission to have the decision overturned, but that is yet to happen.
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Re: William Scull vs. Vladimir Shishkin | DAZN - October 19, 2024
Dmitry Salita pushes for ‘justice’ for Vladimir Shishkin
Dmitry Salita is standing firmly behind his fighter, the super middleweight Vladimir Shishkin, after the 33 year old suffered a controversial unanimous decision loss to William Scull in Germany.
Salita, a retired fighter turned promoter, has filed an appeal with the IBF questioning the fairness of the scoring in the bout for the vacant title, which took place in Germany on October 19.
Shishkin, 16-1 (10 KOs), faced a tough challenge against Scull, 32 years old and 23-0 (9 KOs), who has been based in Germany since 2018. Despite Shishkin’s strong performance — including a near-knockdown in the 12th round — the scorecards heavily favored the Cuban-born fighter, which Salita strongly disputes.
“We filed an appeal with the IBF, and I’m very grateful they took it seriously and are reviewing it,” Salita told Boxing Scene. “According to CompuBox, Vladimir threw and landed almost twice as many punches. In the 12th round, he almost dropped William Scull, yet the German judge gave Scull the round. It shows what we were up against and how unfair the decision was.”
Salita stressed that inconsistent judging damages the sport as a whole.
“People say, ‘Well, you’re fighting in someone’s hometown; these things happen’,” he said. “But for boxing to grow — especially now, when it’s looking for a new home on platforms like DAZN — there cannot be a different definition of winning based on the country you’re in. It has to be consistent, and decisions have to be fair.”
The promoter also noted that the questionable decision sparked reactions from unexpected sources.
“Even Jake Paul, who has no connection to Vladimir, tweeted about how wrong the decision was,” Salita said. “For the sport to grow, these injustices cannot continue.”
The stakes of the fight were high. The loss cost Shishkin potential marquee match-ups in the super-middleweight division – a talent-rich weight class.
“The super middleweight division is one of the most competitive in boxing,” Salita said. “‘Canelo’ Alvarez is looking for a dancing partner. Fights with Chris Eubank Jnr, Caleb Plant — those are all big opportunities Vladimir could’ve been in line for.”
Shishkin’s path to this point has been anything but ordinary. Having immigrated to Detroit in 2018, with no family or friends, he pursued his dream of becoming a champion.
“Vladimir sacrificed everything for this and deserved to be a champion,” Salita said. “As his promoter, we have to do what we can to ensure justice is delivered, and we’re grateful the IBF is taking our appeal seriously.”
Dmitry Salita is standing firmly behind his fighter, the super middleweight Vladimir Shishkin, after the 33 year old suffered a controversial unanimous decision loss to William Scull in Germany.
Salita, a retired fighter turned promoter, has filed an appeal with the IBF questioning the fairness of the scoring in the bout for the vacant title, which took place in Germany on October 19.
Shishkin, 16-1 (10 KOs), faced a tough challenge against Scull, 32 years old and 23-0 (9 KOs), who has been based in Germany since 2018. Despite Shishkin’s strong performance — including a near-knockdown in the 12th round — the scorecards heavily favored the Cuban-born fighter, which Salita strongly disputes.
“We filed an appeal with the IBF, and I’m very grateful they took it seriously and are reviewing it,” Salita told Boxing Scene. “According to CompuBox, Vladimir threw and landed almost twice as many punches. In the 12th round, he almost dropped William Scull, yet the German judge gave Scull the round. It shows what we were up against and how unfair the decision was.”
Salita stressed that inconsistent judging damages the sport as a whole.
“People say, ‘Well, you’re fighting in someone’s hometown; these things happen’,” he said. “But for boxing to grow — especially now, when it’s looking for a new home on platforms like DAZN — there cannot be a different definition of winning based on the country you’re in. It has to be consistent, and decisions have to be fair.”
The promoter also noted that the questionable decision sparked reactions from unexpected sources.
“Even Jake Paul, who has no connection to Vladimir, tweeted about how wrong the decision was,” Salita said. “For the sport to grow, these injustices cannot continue.”
The stakes of the fight were high. The loss cost Shishkin potential marquee match-ups in the super-middleweight division – a talent-rich weight class.
“The super middleweight division is one of the most competitive in boxing,” Salita said. “‘Canelo’ Alvarez is looking for a dancing partner. Fights with Chris Eubank Jnr, Caleb Plant — those are all big opportunities Vladimir could’ve been in line for.”
Shishkin’s path to this point has been anything but ordinary. Having immigrated to Detroit in 2018, with no family or friends, he pursued his dream of becoming a champion.
“Vladimir sacrificed everything for this and deserved to be a champion,” Salita said. “As his promoter, we have to do what we can to ensure justice is delivered, and we’re grateful the IBF is taking our appeal seriously.”