What does RTD mean?

tdiddyboxing · Post by **tdiddyboxing** » 03 Apr 2006, 01:46

I should have a TKO but they put RTD? what the heck is that/ also can i be entered and rated in my real division. Cruiserweight.

barry · Post by **barry** » 04 Apr 2006, 13:22

RTD means that the fighter retired.

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 04 Apr 2006, 13:43

RTD means the corner retired between rounds. It was introduced because decision differs from one regulating or title governing body to another.
e.g
If a boxer retires between rounds 3 & 4 some rule it TKO 3 others rule it TKO 4.
Some of us (editors) were getting up each others nose over it, so John Shep decided to intro common ground.
However, I've seen it inserted when a boxer retires during the round, which is incorrect. That's a TKO.

If a boxer retires (say end of round 3), the result should read RTD @ 3-minutes of 3.

Cheers

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 04 Apr 2006, 15:14

Mind you, some editors have got their noose ready to hang him as soon as they get a horse to sit him on.

Demy · Post by **Demy** » 05 Apr 2006, 08:54

Thanks. Some editors didn't know the meaning of RTD.

ryszard · Post by **ryszard** » 06 Apr 2006, 18:45

As far as I remember we had a poll that has decided not to use RTD.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 07 Apr 2006, 00:26

It was changed by executive decree.

RTD has been used by the British Boxing Board of Control for many years.
The main difference between RTD and a TKO is...

A TKO is fight action stopped by the referee while the clock was running.
A RTD is a fight stopped by the referee while the clock is stopped in between rounds.
There is no physical activity taking place.

Both are technically knock outs and are recorded in the stoppage column.

klompton · Post by **klompton** » 03 Jun 2006, 00:45

The BBBC isnt the "B"e all and end all of the boxing world. Ive never seen a fighter RTD in the United States. I have no problem if a British fight is stopped and is recorded as an RTD by the BBBC having RTD entered into boxrec. However when McBride scores a TKO over Tyson after Tyson quits between rounds, that is a TKO and should be entered as such.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 03 Jun 2006, 01:59

Only in America…

However, this is a British Site.

BobbyDobbs · Post by **BobbyDobbs** » 03 Jun 2006, 18:57

Blue wrote: Only in America…
However, this is a British Site.

RTD is one of the FEW major mistakes John Shep has made over the years. He is usually spot on. But, RTD is goofy and sets this site back a bit.

Bobby

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 16 Sep 2006, 13:51

KO, TKO, RTD are all stoppages. The victor gets the W and the other the L. The fighters and their entourage' shouldn't be concerned that the fan is getting a bit more info from the record books kept here.

The fact that RTD and TKO are terms used to better describe the nature of the stoppage is appreciated by me....the little guy, the simple fan of the sport. The guy who does not have time to read the whole review of every fight but at times wants to know the basics. (And at times is barely able to scrape together the jack for his next beer.)

I like good information quickly discerned in a nutshell and this thoughtfull decision by John Shep has helped..... And the subtle difference between a stoppage by the Ref in between rounds vs stoppage by the ref during the round is just one more piece of news that helps me make it to my next beer in a more informed manner.

Bobby do you have something against beer? As far as I know both Britain and America love their beer so I see no reason to mark this decision John has made as a deficit against the record keepers here in any way, shape or manner.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 19 Sep 2006, 06:19

So in other words you guys have created a fight outcome that doesn't exist, and then placed it on fighters records, when it actually would read TKO.

Bravo, bravo...

Petu v.d. Pajm · Post by **Petu v.d. Pajm** » 19 Sep 2006, 10:03

[quote="overhand_right"]So in other words you guys have created a fight outcome that doesn't exist, and then placed it on fighters records, when it actually would read TKO.

Bravo, bravo...[/quote]

No, we have created a term which is not universally used in order to give more information. Fight outcome does NOT change whatever you decide to call it, but the confusion about how many rounds have actually been fully competed is eliminated.

Once upon a time, ANY fight ending inside the distance was called a KO. To do so still today would not just be very informative.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 19 Sep 2006, 10:06

How exactly does it eliminate confusion?

On Ali's record it says LRTD11 Larry Holmes.

That suggests to me he retired after the 11th rd, when in actual fact it was the 10th.

The confusion remains exactly the same.

Post by **John** » 19 Sep 2006, 13:18

We haven't created anything, RTD is an official result of the British Boxing Board of Control, the ruling body of the sport.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 19 Sep 2006, 14:39

Correction entered.

The fight was listed as not out for the 11th by the news
media and printed incorrectly as KO by 11 in the ring Ring
Record Book (Later copied by FightFax.) which was probably
used when BoxRec came on line.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 20 Sep 2006, 06:12

JohnShep wrote:We haven't created anything, RTD is an official result of the British Boxing Board of Control, the ruling body of the sport.

Whenever a boxer retires mid-fight, its always announced as a TKO.

After all these years and all the thousands of records I have looked at from various sources I have never seen anything other than KO or TKO, never RTD.

And as for Ali I tried point out years ago the result was a TKO10 as the bell never rang for the 11th, but was shouted down by the editors who said TKO11 is correct as it was in The Ring. Now all of a sudden RTD10 is the result? I dont understand? Not trying to sound overly critical but there isn't any consistency among the editors.

Note how every few month James Smith and Mitch Green (et al) will change to James (Bonecrusher) Smith and Mitch (Blood) Green, then a few months later back to the original, then even more bizarre changed to Mitchell Green or Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock etc..... Where does it end???

enrique · Post by **enrique** » 20 Sep 2006, 14:48

I like the KO TKO thing myself.

delisa · Post by **delisa** » 20 Sep 2006, 14:59

KO, TKO = good.

RTD = retarded.

brett · Post by **brett** » 20 Sep 2006, 19:31

Doesn't really matter to me as long as the RTD's are included in the fighter's KO total (which they are).

It's been a long time and maybe I'm getting confused with something else, but in the early days of Boxrec didn't we use to a have a TKO-Inj thing?

Why not just have:
TKO-INJ for injury stoppages
TKO-RTD for retirements
TKO-RSF for referee stoppages

Everyone's happy (except the programmer)
1. no new terminology,
2. displays TKO for those that can't comprehend or don't like RTD, etc.
3. provides the nature of the stoppage that others want.

Regards,

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 20 Sep 2006, 21:50

If corner retires between rounds...say 4 & 5. Is it TKO4 or 5????
Some regulating bodies say 4 others say 5.

RTD round 4 @ 3 minutes clearly means the corner retired at end of round 4 & should only be used in this situation. In the end it's still a TKO.
I have seen it used when the corner retires during the round (on towel)...That's definitely TKO.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 21 Sep 2006, 02:52

overhand_right wrote:Whenever a boxer retires mid-fight, its always announced as a TKO.

After all these years and all the thousands of records I have looked at from various sources I have never seen anything other than KO or TKO, never RTD.???

U have been looking in the wrong places.
I have been using RTD since I noticed it in British Boxing News and
the Italian Pugilato Record Books way back in the 1970’s.
At the time, the Ring Record Book didn’t even distinguish between KO & TKO.
IMO, the Europeans took the keeping of records to a more accurate level.

overhand_right wrote:And as for Ali I tried point out years ago the result was a TKO10 as the bell never rang for the 11th, but was shouted down by the editors who said TKO11 as it was in The Ring. Now all of a sudden RTD10 is the result? I dont understand? Not trying to sound overly critical but there isn't any consistency among the editors.???

What is there to understand? U pointed out an error and it was corrected. Yet it seems like U are still not satisfied.
There isn't 100% consistency among the editors because there is little consistency among the record books and different editors have different sources. Hashing it out is what this forum is about.

overhand_right wrote:Note how every few month James Smith and Mitch Green (et al) will change to James (Bonecrusher) Smith and Mitch (Blood) Green, then a few months later back to the original, then even more bizarre changed to Mitchell Green or Donovan 'Razor' Ruddock etc..... Where does it end???

It’s because people PM editors with a request for change based on their own limited experience.
The matchmaker wants it this way, the managers want it that way; the commissions want it their way, U want your way...
It never ends because new reports keep coming in.

MrBrownstone · Post by **MrBrownstone** » 05 Jul 2017, 08:58

It cracks me up how everyone in the first few pages of this thread has no idea what RTD actually stands for, yet they still chime in with what we all already know...that the fight is stopped between rounds. I imagine the TC was thinking "yeah, thanks...but what does it mean..?" Lol

Referee Technical Decision

wouter · Post by **wouter** » 05 Jul 2017, 09:38

MrBrownstone wrote:It cracks me up how everyone in the first few pages of this thread has no idea what RTD actually stands for, yet they still chime in with what we all already know...that the fight is stopped between rounds. I imagine the TC was thinking "yeah, thanks...but what does it mean..?" Lol

Referee Technical Decision

It is simply short for retired

AntonS · Post by **AntonS** » 05 Jul 2017, 10:48

wouter wrote:
MrBrownstone wrote:It cracks me up how everyone in the first few pages of this thread has no idea what RTD actually stands for, yet they still chime in with what we all already know...that the fight is stopped between rounds. I imagine the TC was thinking "yeah, thanks...but what does it mean..?" Lol

Referee Technical Decision
It is simply short for retired

And did so during 1 min rest between rounds......otherwise it's TKO

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