Vasiliy Lomachenko has Retired!

[Ruthless-RKO]

[LeRoiDuRing]

The guy was nice to watch but at the end of day his style while making him popular got him to age faster and to get injured more often. He made the money and the big fights. He can retire in peace.

[tigermoth87]

Three losses, two of them by robbery. I don't blame him for packing it in. As soon as he fights a 'murican or a Mexican he immediately enters the fight three rounds down.

[LeRoiDuRing]

Three losses, two of them by robbery. I don't blame him for packing it in. As soon as he fights a 'murican or a Mexican he immediately enters the fight three rounds down.

Nah he did legitimately lose those three fights.

[Sweet Dick Willie]

Three losses, two of them by robbery. I don't blame him for packing it in. As soon as he fights a 'murican or a Mexican he immediately enters the fight three rounds down.

Nah he did legitimately lose those three fights.

There was absolutely nothing legitimate in the Salido loss. And the Haney bout was a pure robbery too. Teo won fair and square but without the injury I believe Loma beats him.

[LeRoiDuRing]

Three losses, two of them by robbery. I don't blame him for packing it in. As soon as he fights a 'murican or a Mexican he immediately enters the fight three rounds down.

Nah he did legitimately lose those three fights.

There was absolutely nothing legitimate in the Salido loss. And the Haney bout was a pure robbery too. Teo won fair and square but without the injury I believe Loma beats him.

The way they treated Salido is the contreversial part imo. Amateur and pro boxing aren't the same business and loma learned that the hard way.

The Haney fight I haven't watched since it happenned but I remember it being a could've gone either way type of fight but I do need to properly score it to be sure.

[apollo creed]

He has a great career and if he retires, he is gonna retire as a great champion. I'd have liked to see him avenging his loss against Salido at that time, maybe fight Mikey Garcia and Gamboa.

[Ruthless-RKO]

He has a great career and if he retires, he is gonna retire as great champion. I'd have liked to see him avenging his loss against Salido at that time, maybe fight Mikey Garcia and Gamboa.

There was loads of fights around super feather and lightweight that he could have had. Shame he didn’t. Also, being with TR may not have helped.

[apollo creed]

He has a great career and if he retires, he is gonna retire as great champion. I'd have liked to see him avenging his loss against Salido at that time, maybe fight Mikey Garcia and Gamboa.

There was loads of fights around super feather and lightweight that he could have had. Shame he didn’t. Also, being with TR may not have helped.

you may be right.

[zorndeslammes]

He's a 36 year old man who has gone up multiple weight classes and is largely reliant on his athletic talents to evade punches. If you need reflexes and fast twitch muscles to win, getting old is a bad thing to happen to you. Fighting ever larger men is also bad.

[tigermoth87]

Three losses, two of them by robbery. I don't blame him for packing it in. As soon as he fights a 'murican or a Mexican he immediately enters the fight three rounds down.

Nah he did legitimately lose those three fights.

Teo was the only one he lost. The other two were robberies.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Three losses, two of them by robbery. I don't blame him for packing it in. As soon as he fights a 'murican or a Mexican he immediately enters the fight three rounds down.

Nah he did legitimately lose those three fights.

Teo was the only one he lost. The other two were robberies.

And the Teo one he can only blame himself.

He should have really won that tbh, but he only started boxing from round 6 onwards. By then he was already 6 down.

He just didn’t do anything.

[klitoris]

I watched all those losses. Salido loss was legit; he didn't win enough rounds in that fight and got schooled for being too cocky. Teofimo beat his ass idk how anyone though he won that fight. Haney fight was 50/50 and the only one he probably should of been the winner, but that was a close fight tbh.

[margaret thatcher]

not a bad time to retire, goes out as a champ coming off a good performance

i wish he would have spent more time at 126/130 and less at 135 where he was undersized. obviously very skilled, but i think at key times lacked some of the fire inside to really push to the max gear and separate himself from his opponent. i remember the haney fight - he had haney weary and unsteady in the 11th, then cruised in the 12 which cost him a draw. he was asked about that, and said he cruised cuz he thought he already had it in the bag. i mean what a terrible mindset.

but there was far more positive than negative tbf. a fun and fast career to follow with a historically ambitious start. and obviously a great am as well. so many reported amateur records lie about the number of losses, but to this day i can really only find that 1 loss for loma,, avenged multipple times

[Cent0089]

Salido loss was legit. That low blows were insanity, but Lomachenko was holding a lot on the other side. Lopez loss was also legit, Lomachenko was simply scared to engage in first half. Haney fight were robbery, close fight, but decisive Loma win, something like 116-112 or 115-113, maybe 114-114 if i am very kind to Haney. Lomachenko is wasted potential in pro ranks

[Lenny Cravats]

The Salido decision wasn't all bad, but the ref allowing Salido to foul his way through the fight was as bad a reffing performance as you'll see.

I had him beating Lopez as close as it gets, but he really threw it away over the first half. God knows what he was doing there.

I thought he beat Haney close but clear.

He has had a great career, and as others have said, he doesn't have a style that ordinarily lasts a long time.
He won't be able to reach the levels he did years ago, and that's never easy for a fighter. I'm sure he's set up for life already, so he probably should call it a day.
He really did give us an amazing showcase of skills.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Klimas has said it all comes down to his back.

If it’s good, then he’ll fight again

[klitoris]

Lomachenko's ultimate failure to become one of the greatest fighters of all time is largely due to his own mistakes.
1) Lomachenko's first mistake in his career was signing with Arum during the Arum-Hamon wars. Arum was already a shit promoter and couldn't get him the unification fights that he needed. Instead of doing what was right for Loma's career, Arum just made him go up in weight, always claiming that the other fighters in the division were scared to fight him. The reality was that Arum didn't want to have 50/50 purses and wanted to make in-house fights where he made the most money. That being said, Hamon was no different, so I'm not saying he should have signed with Hamon. What Lomachenko should have done was sign with someone more neutral, like K2, and play both sides.
2) The second mistake was being overconfident and going into the Salido fight in the second fight. This is a trend with the Lomachenko family his whole career. They truly thought they were superhuman aliens and could do anything. Loma's father is an amateur boxing coach and had no experience in telling his son what to do in that fight with Salido. They clearly were in over their head. If Loma and his father had at least some humility, they would have been a lot more successful and not keep making the same mistakes.
3) Moved to 130 way too fast. Gary Russel got the WBC belt and would have wanted a rematch (they lost the chance to unify at 126). Arum could have gotten him a unification with Gradovich for IBF as well. Then Arum lost the WBA belt because Walters couldn't make weight, so Hamon's Leo SC got the WBA belt. But at 126, unification was very much possible for Lomachenko. Arum was just a shit promoter who wanted to milk money out of Loma instead of getting him unification fights that he actually wanted. Loma ended up wasting his prime at 126 because of fighting bums like Rodriguez and Koasicha. Remember when Arum got him some bum in Macao to fight who he beat with one arm?
4) Moved to 135 too fast for the same reasons as above. At 126, unification was possible, but at 130, it was basically Hamon fighters with Arum fighters. They didn't want to make fights together, so Loma was again an idiot for staying with Arum.
5) Loma ended up becoming more and more of a retarded russian-orthodox religious freak and being influenced by the Kremlin-controlled russian orthodox church in Ukraine (They tried to f*ck up Usyk mentally too, but Usyk ended up getting out of it in time because he was smarter. Loma is actually quite a dumb guy on non-boxing matters). As a result, Loma lost support from his fans in Ukraine and became isolated (nobody liked him really apart from a certain part of neutral boxing fans who didn't care about him as much once he had losses to Teo and Haney). Even Usyk basically told him to f*ck off, and they aren't friends anymore because of Loma's unclear stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Lomachenko has become a lost soul; he has no identity. On top of that, when he lost to Teofimo, he didn't internalize it and accept it. Loma side kept saying they got robbed. But the reality is that they couldn't accept that they were beaten and that the whole image of Loma as this superhuman alien fighter was sort of gone. Loma coped in all the wrong ways.

[Ruthless-RKO]

At 135 they just about agreed a unification with Linares who was GBP.

Then he worked with Matchroom easy cus it wasn’t in the States.

Crolla was mandatory..

They managed to get the Luke Campbell fight on PPV in UK as well.

The fighters around 126 to 135 whilst he was fighting, and not fought.
Shocking.

I agree, he should have maybe stuck with K2. Fought out of Ukraine for a bit, they would have collabed with other promoters.

Usyk make a defence on his WBO belt on a TR show too I remember,

[klitoris]

At 135 they just about agreed a unification with Linares who was GBP.

He did fight Linares, but that wasn't a unification fight, that was Loma's first fight at 135 when he moved up. I was actually at that fight in NY.

Loma did get a bunch of unification fights at 135.
Pedraza fight was a unification.
Technically the Campbell fight was for the WBC belt (but he got stripped right after because of that franchise champion bull shit Suleiman made up to get Haney the belt)
Teofimo fight was also a unification fight.

So Loma did get good fights at 135, the issue is that he was fighting young guys like Teo at the age of 32 in a weight class he shouldn't be fighting at at his height and size. The bulk of his career should have been fought at 126 and, especially, 130. But he has ended up fighting half his fights at 135 because of the mistakes he made that I mentioned earlier.

[Sweet Dick Willie]

Even Usyk basically told him to f*ck off, and they aren't friends anymore because of Loma's unclear stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Do you have a source for this? Loma was in the war, no? Fighting for Ukraine.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Even Usyk basically told him to f*ck off, and they aren't friends anymore because of Loma's unclear stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Do you have a source for this? Loma was in the war, no? Fighting for Ukraine.

Come to think of it, loma used to always be at Usyk’s fights.

[klitoris]

Even Usyk basically told him to f*ck off, and they aren't friends anymore because of Loma's unclear stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Do you have a source for this? Loma was in the war, no? Fighting for Ukraine.

Loma was never "in the war," strictly speaking. He supposedly joined the territorial defence in his oblast (equivalent to
a province or state in the US) for a brief time, which is basically just being part of the civil militia. However, the people in that territorial defence said he was there, maybe for a very brief time in total and just used it as a PR stunt. The media in the US obviously caught this story and tried to make him into some kind of hero from a few Instagram pics, but the actual soldiers who joined that territorial defence and did actual duty and time knew the real truth about Loma, so he never got much respect. Also, apparently, Loma once refused to provide identification at a military checkpoint, so the soldiers put him at gunpoint and searched his car. Allegedly the story is that he was pissed off that they didn't let him pass simply because he was Lomachenko. Mind you, there were some other "celebrities" in Ukraine who did PR stunts similar to Loma. It's just that Lomas's ego is so ridiculously massive when he is in Ukraine; few people respect him in Ukraine.

As for Usyk, I believe he did put in some decent time for Kyiv's territorial defence. Also, the situation in Kyiv was much more dangerous than it was in Odesa at the time (Russian troops were essentially on the outskirts of the city) so Usyk got a lot more respect by staying in Kyiv and not fleeing. But Usyk gets his real respect because he has supported troops at the frontline financially for a long time now (even before the full-scale invasion) since 2014. This whole thing about "fighting in the war" was always a way to show solidarity with his people and to raise general morale. Usyk knows he has little to offer on the frontline itself and is more valuable in actually winning fights and promoting Ukraine and Ukraine's voice on the international stage. And that's where the difference lies between them. Lomachenko, although he had been mostly pro-Ukrainian all his career, took a somewhat ambiguous political position when the war started. For example, when he joined that territorial defence force, he would fly his city flag and would be rarely seen with the Ukrainian flag. At one fight, I believe, he took his city flag and not the Ukrainian flag (this was when the war was happening). Many people took that as making the statement that he doesn't identify with his Ukrainianness and only does with his city/region identity and probably would be just as comfortable with russia being in control of Ukraine. Add to this the fact that he has been part of the russian orthodox church in Ukraine (a church that has basically lost the majority of its members to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church the moment the war started) Loma to this day is in this fringe mindset being influenced by some weird russian orthodox priests (who are on the FSB/KGB payroll).

[Sweet Dick Willie]

Cheers! And shit, I totally bought into that hero image... Do you have any news/articles for further reading? Thanks

[klitoris]

Cheers! And shit, I totally bought into that hero image... Do you have any news/articles for further reading? Thanks

You can try reading this article in Ukrainian with google translate (also available in russian):
https://champion.com.ua/ukr/boxing/nabo ... p-1009007/

Mind you the google translate doesn't translate it very well and makes mistakes.

Idk any good ones in English.