Usyk's p4p ranking this century?

[halfamill]

Where does he rank so far?

[gilgamesh]

Right up there with the cream of the crop.

Mayweather
Pac
Usyk
Canelo
Bernard Hopkins

Where you place him is your call, but he's undoubtedly one of the Top 5 of this century up to now. Objectively.

[klitoris]

If Usyk retires undefeated I put him somewhere above Andre Ward. Definitely in the top 10 in this century.

[gilgamesh]

If Usyk retires undefeated I put him somewhere above Andre Ward. Definitely in the top 10 in this century.

Top 10? What would your list be if he's not Top 5?

[klitoris]

If Usyk retires undefeated I put him somewhere above Andre Ward. Definitely in the top 10 in this century.

Top 10? What would your list be if he's not Top 5?

He probably would be in my top 5 tbh i'm just more confident saying top 10 at this moment because his career isn't over yet and neither is Crawford and Inoue done yet. As for some other guys I would probably have Calzaghe and Ward on that top 10 list in addition to B Hop, floyd, and Manny. Canelo would just barely make my top 10

[gilgamesh]

He probably would be in my top 5 tbh i'm just more confident saying top 10 at this moment because his career isn't over yet and neither is Crawford and Inoue done yet. As for some other guys I would probably have Calzaghe and Ward on that top 10 list in addition to B Hop, floyd, and Manny. Canelo would just barely make my top 10

That's an interesting list. Calzaghe probably does get overlooked, a lot of it being because it took him many years to establish himself as THE GUY at 168, and then his biggest wins are over an aged B-Hop and Roy Jones really, but in all fairness as we all saw B-Hop still had some big fights and wins in him yet so that victory looked better over time.

Crawford even though he's got more fights than Usyk is well behind Usyk in terms of achievement I'd say because Usyk has like 5 or 6 wins better than Crawford's best win. Inoue is spectacular, I don't know that there's the big marquee fight out there to boost him much higher really.

I'd say Lomachenko is one of the Top 10 P4P of the century so far.

I'd probably rate Calzaghe over Ward really when I think about it. I'd rate Canelo over both of those guys even though I think they'd both have beaten him which is kinda ironic I suppose

Boxing can be funny that way though, and you don't rate guys on fights that didn't happen. You rate 'em on the ones that did.

Calzaghe and Ward even though they both got the unbeaten records didn't have as many big fights as Lomachenko or Usyk did with many less fights.

A lot of it has to do with the way guys are managed I suppose. You rarely see guys go straight up to the deep end of the talent pool the way Loma and Usyk did in their careers.

[zorndeslammes]

Usyk in a pure post-2000 list does exceedingly well. Not Floyd or Manny, not BHop, not Choc, but probably right in line after them. They just had volume in their favor.

In terms of his perception, Usyk like all of us is captive in the moment. I knew many people who were completely convinced Tyson Fury was unbeatable thanks to his performances against Wilder, and Usyk defeating him gives him the rub of invincibility. 20 years from now, will Wilder be seen as a dominant belt holder as some seem to perceive him, or is he going to be a cruder Shavers with a pretend heavyweight title handed to him by Al Haymon?

[zorndeslammes]

That's an interesting list. Calzaghe probably does get overlooked, a lot of it being because it took him many years to establish himself as THE GUY at 168, and then his biggest wins are over an aged B-Hop and Roy Jones really, but in all fairness as we all saw B-Hop still had some big fights and wins in him yet so that victory looked better over time.

Calzaghe didn't do anything to merit being listed alongside these people. Kessler was a substantially better win than RJJ and the BHop win also has a fair number of people I disagree with who are convinced Hopkins won. The only people to blame for Calzaghe being slow to take over 168 are Joe, Enzo, and ALLEGEDLY ALLEGEDLY FW ALLEGEDLY. lmao at that word filter still being here 20+ years after the death of the secondsout forums.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

If Usyk retires undefeated I put him somewhere above Andre Ward. Definitely in the top 10 in this century.

- Wart one of the top 10 ugliest, dirtiest, crooked fighters in history hardly deserves a mention. A few years back after being inanely jealous of the 100s of million$ Canelo has made went into training for Canelo while bad mouthing Canelo. OOpsieP00psie, he was shot to shyte, so instead he starts training Plant on how to beat Canelo...OOpsieP00psieSlippin'& slidin' when Plant got beat up and Planted.

Anyway, been saying for the longest time here since Usyk became relevant as a professional after his Olympic Heavy Gold Medal, he's much greater than Field was at 200+, currently at 31-0, 16 KO. This is perhaps perhaps the largest average weight grouping of credentialed heavies in history compared to Field 26-10-2 record with an approximate 30% KO ratio.

Yupsir, just da facts...C'est la vie...

[ordsalloriginator]

He has surpassed everyone now. Number 1

[ordsalloriginator]

Mayweather carefully chose all his opponents by the watch and by their lower weight to him, all in his own country, with special clauses in contracts and other petty things.

Whereas Usyk has been the complete opposite fighting fighters 50 pounds heavier than him, big punchers, beasts, in their primes,on the road, in their backyards. Never made any demands or excuses to swerve anyone.

Usyk chose to fight everyone, he chose to go for greatness

If mayweather had the mentality and balls of Usyk he would have moved up and fought Golovkin at 160, prime pacquaio. Margarito.

Usyk has surpassed Mayweather in every way.

[cormack]

top dog

no doubt

then Crawford

[Thomastearns]

Mayweather carefully chose all his opponents by the watch and by their lower weight to him, all in his own country, with special clauses in contracts and other petty things.

Whereas Usyk has been the complete opposite fighting fighters 50 pounds heavier than him, big punchers, beasts, in their primes,on the road, in their backyards. Never made any demands or excuses to swerve anyone.

Usyk chose to fight everyone, he chose to go for greatness

If mayweather had the mentality and balls of Usyk he would have moved up and fought Golovkin at 160, prime pacquaio. Margarito.

Usyk has surpassed Mayweather in every way.

Every way except one - the business way.

Usyk hasn't exploited the boxing fans to the tune of $1,000,000,000+.

Fighters like Usyk, Lomachenko, GGG, Beterbiev and Bivol seem to still be labouring under the illusion that top flight boxing is primarily a sport.

It's not, it's first and foremost a business.

"Greedy Belly" is not in Mayweather's class when it comes to scamming the public, but arguably he's made more by doing less. He's a P4P scam meister.

Fury could have made even more if only he didn't keep donating his purses to worthy causes, but we all know he doesn't care about money. He's told us often enough.

If Usyk was to retire tomorrow, not only would he have a claim for being the best P4P this century, he'd be in the running for the all time no 1 position.

Apart from a few early amateur defeats, his record is as perfect as it could be.

The fact that he's achieved it mostly by fighting on the road, often in the home country of his opponent, surely puts any such debate beyond any reasonable argument.

[gilgamesh]

So how much of a hit does Usyk's standing take if he suddenly takes a loss.

Let's say he racks up 3 or 4 more wins, and then loses 1, and retires with a 27-1 record.

Does history then see him as less accomplished than they would right now ya think? Does the 0 really carry that much weight with people?

[Lenny Cravats]

One thing that sets him aside is how he consistently gets the biggest fights.

How many people can we think of that Usyk should have fought?

There's very few 'what ifs' with that fella.

[margaret thatcher]

One thing that sets him aside is how he consistently gets the biggest fights.

How many people can we think of that Usyk should have fought?

There's very few 'what ifs' with that fella.

exactly, yet some people will hold it against him that he didnt beat 20 extra dudes who would add no quality to his record. when you dont waste so much time with the crap you really dont need to have that many fights to put together an excellent resume

[Lenny Cravats]

One thing that sets him aside is how he consistently gets the biggest fights.

How many people can we think of that Usyk should have fought?

There's very few 'what ifs' with that fella.

exactly, yet some people will hold it against him that he didnt beat 20 extra dudes who would add no quality to his record. when you dont waste so much time with the crap you really dont need to have that many fights to put together an excellent resume

I think if people are comparing it to the 60's and 70's, when they used to fight a lot more - then Usyk would have more wins over top 10 opponents.
But this is an era of 2 fights a year, and has been for a long time. You have to judge Usyk by those standards -- and he comes out completely on top.
He's beaten the best around. No waiting years for fights that eventually or never happen. The guy absolutely stormed through the divisions and bossed them.

Straight up legend.

[margaret thatcher]

indeed, who has the better resume, 43 win wilder or 23 win usyk

[Ruthless-RKO]

One thing that sets him aside is how he consistently gets the biggest fights.

How many people can we think of that Usyk should have fought?

There's very few 'what ifs' with that fella.

Yeh, that's true.

I can't genuinely think of a 'what if... ?"

[margaret thatcher]

bUt iT wOuLd oNlY tAkE 1 pUnCh from WiLdEr

[gilgamesh]

indeed, who has the better resume, 43 win wilder or 23 win usyk

Usyk had a better Heavyweight resume before he ever even fought Fury than Wilder had.

[joshj909]

indeed, who has the better resume, 43 win wilder or 23 win usyk

Usyk had a better Heavyweight resume before he ever even fought Fury than Wilder had.

You could argue that Usyk surpassed Wilder's greatest win in his second heavyweight fight.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Pac
May
Inuoe
Marquez
Hopkins
Usyk
Alvarez

Not in any particular order. Crawford is a great but he fought lesser opposition soni didnt include him

Dont know if i missed any. Hopkins is primarily due to his age. He wasnt in top form but he was so good as an old man he deserves it

[gilgamesh]

Pac
May
Inuoe
Marquez
Hopkins
Usyk
Alvarez

Not in any particular order. Crawford is a great but he fought lesser opposition soni didnt include him

Dont know if i missed any. Hopkins is primarily due to his age. He wasnt in top form but he was so good as an old man he deserves it

That's B-Hop's great gift. He never necessarily looked like a P4P spectacular type of talent, he just kept winning against high level guys for a long, long time. He had all the fundamentals, and technical aspects of the Boxing game down as good as you can have 'em down, and it took him a long way.

Seeing a guy perform at that high of a level for that long into his 40's is rare as hell.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Pac
May
Inuoe
Marquez
Hopkins
Usyk
Alvarez

Not in any particular order. Crawford is a great but he fought lesser opposition soni didnt include him

Dont know if i missed any. Hopkins is primarily due to his age. He wasnt in top form but he was so good as an old man he deserves it

That's B-Hop's great gift. He never necessarily looked like a P4P spectacular type of talent, he just kept winning against high level guys for a long, long time. He had all the fundamentals, and technical aspects of the Boxing game down as good as you can have 'em down, and it took him a long way.

Seeing a guy perform at that high of a level for that long into his 40's is rare as hell.

I’m a B-Hop fan but I always struggle to remember what his best win was at Middle. Blown up Trinidad I guess? glen Johnson? He fought an awful lot of filler there, kind of like Calzaghe did at 168.

I’m actually struggling to remember who he beat at 175 too. Edit: totally forgot he fought Tarver. I’m getting old


Anyway

No complaints about Usyk being number 1 this century from me, but also May and Pac have worthy claims obviously.