In His Career So Far, Has Tyson Fury Underachieved or Overachieved?

[golden_labrador]

The forum has definitely been a better place for me since I wasn't personally attacked for having fairly uncontroversial viewpoints.

I certainly did feel their was direct animosity against me, so much so that it seemed a possibility that I must have met the fella.

Anyway after putting it on him a bit he retreated saying he had no idea who I am despite him knowing my real name!!

Maybe he was worried we would bump into each other!

Nevertheless being given some peace is all the apology I need

quoting you so Tony gets to see what you said despite having you blocked

[WestEndRiot]

I'd say he's over achieved considering the trajectory of his career.

As someone who has watched him from near enough the start of his career, I remember him being an underdog in his first British title shot vs Chisora 1, being put down by an undersized CW in Cunningham. Being a general laughing stock with the clip of him punching himself in the face (can't remember which fight that was).

And I for one, gave him zero chance vs Klitschko. That felt like the beginning of a brand new Tyson Fury.

To see what he has achieved following all that is amazing

[Coco]

The forum has definitely been a better place for me since I wasn't personally attacked for having fairly uncontroversial viewpoints.

I certainly did feel their was direct animosity against me, so much so that it seemed a possibility that I must have met the fella.

Anyway after putting it on him a bit he retreated saying he had no idea who I am despite him knowing my real name!!

Maybe he was worried we would bump into each other!

Nevertheless being given some peace is all the apology I need

quoting you so Tony gets to see what you said despite having you blocked

Well let's hope he finds some peace

And leaves me alone

[coneye]

Really is a bit laughable , people , myself included , sat around a computer , discussing has to wether or not a guy , who has never had a proper job in his life , never had to work 10 hrs a day 6 pr 7 days a week , a guy who has probably OVER 100 MILLION in the bank , wether he's achieved or under acheived . On the face of it i know what he probably thinks ,

[tonyevs]

Well I read Coco's rather predictable post. I have been on boxrec over 20yrs and remembered when he started posting. I'm sure I am not the only one who knows Coco's real name. Never have I personally attacked him or hinted knowing him .. my recollection of him previously hinting at that was in the context of his crude and offensive comments about my wife.

I can only assume then he started making cowardly and offensive comments about my wife because I disagreed with a view he'd written; in over 20yrs posting here I have never personally attacked anyone.
That coco feels making crude and offensive comments about my wife was 'putting it on me' and somehow justified confirms what I thought of him as a person.

*No need to quote any further responses from Coco thank you.

[mickey1975]

Well I read Coco's rather predictable post. I have been on boxrec over 20yrs and remembered when he started posting. I'm sure I am not the only one who knows Coco's real name. Never have I personally attacked him or hinted knowing him .. my recollection of him previously hinting at that was in the context of his crude and offensive comments about my wife.

I can only assume then he started making cowardly and offensive comments about my wife because I disagreed with a view he'd written; in over 20yrs posting here I have never personally attacked anyone.
That coco feels making crude and offensive comments about my wife was 'putting it on me' and somehow justified confirms what I thought of him as a person.

*No need to quote any further responses from Coco thank you.

Are you discounting your recent dig that I must have been at "an open bar" recently? Surely with your amazing memory you're aware I don't drink anymore after a long standing problem with it. Anyway, I'm joining the lads and ignoring the trolling!

[tonyevs]

Good old Mick

I had no idea you don't drink - how would I?
From memory the only things I remember about you is that you worship Tyson Fury, used to have a thing about Travellers, and some poster here used to threaten you which made you leave the forum for a few months each time.

Ignore my posts - no problem - I hardly post, and mainly read. Yours is now just one less Tyson Fury nonsense comment

[cormack]

I'd say he's over achieved considering the trajectory of his career.

As someone who has watched him from near enough the start of his career, I remember him being an underdog in his first British title shot vs Chisora 1, being put down by an undersized CW in Cunningham. Being a general laughing stock with the clip of him punching himself in the face (can't remember which fight that was).

And I for one, gave him zero chance vs Klitschko. That felt like the beginning of a brand new Tyson Fury.

To see what he has achieved following all that is amazing

YAY he beat some cans

[skanksta]

He underachievered after Klitschko, he overachieved coming back after his problems in my opinion

Excellent point - agree.

Going close with Usyk twice when he was past his peak and very old (in boxing years) shows that he probably woulda beaten Usyk if he 'lived the life'.

no it doesnt. usyk is 38 in a few days vs tyson's 36. usyk also struggled with injuries for years, let's magically make him younger and fresher to even that hypothetical tbf. usyk finds a way to beat everyone of his generation, like he did twice to tyson. he woulda beat wlad too.

do we need to start a peek fury vs usyk poll

It's not that controversial - saying "if you took what makes Usyk great and added it to Fury", Fury would be better is it ?
Fury would be amazingwith 30 years of spartan dedication and deep international am background !
It works in reverse too - imagine how unbeateable Usyk would be if he'd grown in to a 'natural' 19plus stone giant ?

[Coco]

I'd say he's over achieved considering the trajectory of his career.

As someone who has watched him from near enough the start of his career, I remember him being an underdog in his first British title shot vs Chisora 1, being put down by an undersized CW in Cunningham. Being a general laughing stock with the clip of him punching himself in the face (can't remember which fight that was).

And I for one, gave him zero chance vs Klitschko. That felt like the beginning of a brand new Tyson Fury.

To see what he has achieved following all that is amazing

After watching the McDermott fight, I thought he had shown his level, even winning the rematch didn't show much to me.
I didn't give him a chance v Chisora.
After McDermott I think he went to Peter Fury, his fitness improved a lot and so did his ring IQ.

[THEBUTCH]

It's funny how we perceive things differently. It was the first Fury v McDermott bout that truly convinced me that Tyson was for real.

I don't think I was convinced he would become a world class star after beating McDermott, but the determination & endurance Fury showed at that stage of his career impressed me immensely and it was obvious to me he would go on to bigger & better things.

[Coco]

It's funny how we perceive things differently. It was the first Fury v McDermott bout that truly convinced me that Tyson was for real.

I don't think I was convinced he would become a world class star after beating McDermott, but the determination & endurance Fury showed at that stage of his career impressed me immensely and it was obvious to me he would go on to bigger & better things.

For me McDermott was the definition of a gatekeeper at British title level, if you couldn't get past him, you weren't going to get there!

It was probably the Cunningham fight that really made me sit up.
Boxed great in parts, overcame adversity, then found a way to win, using his obvious size advantages really well

[THEBUTCH]

The difference between Fury and the other boxers who went up against McDermott was that Tyson had only just turned 21, was a 7 fight novice, hadn't been past 4 rounds, it was his first 10 rounder & went the full route, plus it was his first professional title fight for added pressure.

This fight was the making of Fury IMO.

[Coco]

The difference between Fury and the other boxers who went up against McDermott was that Tyson had only just turned 21, was a 7 fight novice, hadn't been past 4 rounds, it was his first 10 rounder & went the full route, plus it was his first professional title fight for added pressure.

This fight was the making of Fury IMO.

Definitely the making of him in terms of him understanding what was needed as a pro.
Perhaps it had been too easy before
There def was a diff in his prep since then

[THEBUTCH]

As I say, with only 7 fights behind Fury it was a fairly risky gamble at that time. Mick Hennessy must have been a nervous wreck watching the fight unfold and seeing Tyson having to dig extremely deep.

Fury went into that fight a boy but came out a man. It was a remarkable performance given his pre-fight stats I mentioned in my previous post.

Going through that experience alone would have pushed on Fury's confidence enormously...and you only have to see the improved result in the rematch as proof.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Tyson has a lot of physical gifts, he is quite light on his feet for such a huge guy, and clearly has good natural stamina, as he was able to hang with Usyk for 2 fights, and Usyk has incredible levels of fitness.

Without doubt, he could have lived a better life between fights, and has issues with discipline, but that too is part of who he is.

He made the best of what he was dealt physically and mentally.

For me, he won't be regarded as an ATG, a level below that, but still a very good fighter.

Usyk is arguably top 10 all time at heavyweight, though due to his career at the weight being so short, I would say not.

[THEBUTCH]

When Fury hit world class it's the sheer lack of variety of world class opposition that will hinder his place in heavyweight history.

[Ezzard]

Tyson has a lot of physical gifts, he is quite light on his feet for such a huge guy, and clearly has good natural stamina, as he was able to hang with Usyk for 2 fights, and Usyk has incredible levels of fitness.

Without doubt, he could have lived a better life between fights, and has issues with discipline, but that too is part of who he is.

He made the best of what he was dealt physically and mentally.

For me, he won't be regarded as an ATG, a level below that, but still a very good fighter.

Usyk is arguably top 10 all time at heavyweight, though due to his career at the weight being so short, I would say not.

Interesting that many old-timers consistently had Tunney in the top 10. The Ring always included him in the top 5 until recently. He had a short career too at the weight.

A lot comes down to your criteria.

[NazNaci1]

Tyson has a lot of physical gifts, he is quite light on his feet for such a huge guy, and clearly has good natural stamina, as he was able to hang with Usyk for 2 fights, and Usyk has incredible levels of fitness.

Without doubt, he could have lived a better life between fights, and has issues with discipline, but that too is part of who he is.

He made the best of what he was dealt physically and mentally.

For me, he won't be regarded as an ATG, a level below that, but still a very good fighter.

Usyk is arguably top 10 all time at heavyweight, though due to his career at the weight being so short, I would say not.

Interesting that many old-timers consistently had Tunney in the top 10. The Ring always included him in the top 5 until recently. He had a short career too at the weight.

A lot comes down to your criteria.

I think, with Tunney, it was more the level of opposition that he beat, rightly or wrongly. Wins over Dempsey, Greb, Carpentier, Gibbons, Battling Levinsky etc..all fabulous fighters. Kind of skewed the perception, somewhat.

Fury has never fought anyone in that stratosphere and as James said, I think history will record that Fury, whilst a very good fighter, in this era, is not an ATG.

Not his fault but the fighter pools were much, much deeper and with that came some fighters who were way below in terms of ability, but the flipside being you had some truly exceptional and outstanding talents.

[Ezzard]

Tyson has a lot of physical gifts, he is quite light on his feet for such a huge guy, and clearly has good natural stamina, as he was able to hang with Usyk for 2 fights, and Usyk has incredible levels of fitness.

Without doubt, he could have lived a better life between fights, and has issues with discipline, but that too is part of who he is.

He made the best of what he was dealt physically and mentally.

For me, he won't be regarded as an ATG, a level below that, but still a very good fighter.

Usyk is arguably top 10 all time at heavyweight, though due to his career at the weight being so short, I would say not.

Interesting that many old-timers consistently had Tunney in the top 10. The Ring always included him in the top 5 until recently. He had a short career too at the weight.

A lot comes down to your criteria.

I think, with Tunney, it was more the level of opposition that he beat, rightly or wrongly. Wins over Dempsey, Greb, Carpentier, Gibbons, Battling Levinsky etc..all fabulous fighters. Kind of skewed the perception, somewhat.

Fury has never fought anyone in that stratosphere and as James said, I think history will record that Fury, whilst a very good fighter, in this era, is not an ATG.

Not his fault but the fighter pools were much, much deeper and with that came some fighters who were way below in terms of ability, but the flipside being you had some truly exceptional and outstanding talents.

Some of it was to do with Tunney's style of boxing being something of an innovation on what had come before.

I think Fury could have got the ATG status. He was close. And I'd pick him to beat fighters who rate higher on the achievement metric.

I really loved following the journey of his career. And I still sort of hope we get Fury-Joshua.

[coneye]

I think how Fury is percieved will depend on who's looking ,,, Past greats , were excatly that Great fighters , Gladiators who were always on course to meet the other top Gladiators , you wanted to be the champ , you had to fight the champ , the days when BIG CROWDS would line up , to watch , millions would sit ears glued to the radio , fights were on TV and the TV wanted the best fights .

Fury comes from a different era , an era when theres not has many good fighters about , the trainers are not has good , , its the era of social media , and this is where Fury stands out , the manipulation of crowds and public with his antics and social media released skits , enhanced his personality , and took away from his boxing , was he good , is he good , course he is , he's a monster , who can move , has a good ticker , and has done nothing but box since he was a kid , is he technicly has good has the past heroes , no way , Usyk really beat him convincingly twice , who thinks Usyk would of beat , Hollyfield , Bowe , Ali Frazier , Foreman , Shavers , lennox , , and many more , convincingly , they had skills , to match ,

Fury has been the King of social media , and like a lot of Kings , he's fallen from grace there has well , BUT if its the young generation looking he will always be up there has a great , because a lot of them don't know any better , the savvy ones will remember however ,that he could'nt beat a skinny little rabbitt

[Coco]

Furys ultimate legacy is that he never beat Uysk

[mickey1975]

Furys ultimate legacy is that he never beat Uysk

Dethroned Wlad is probably the highlight when talking legacies.

[gilgamesh]

Furys ultimate legacy is that he never beat Uysk

It makes him ultimately not the best Heavyweight of his era, but he's still likely the #2 British Heavyweight of all time behind only Lennox Lewis. Though we'd need a fight between him and Anthony Joshua to answer that question definitively.

[golden_labrador]

Furys ultimate legacy is that he never beat Uysk

Dethroned Wlad is probably the highlight when talking legacies.

at 39 years old, Wlad was ripe for dethroning