Realistically, which legendary HWs could beat a top shape version of Tyson Fury?

[The Docker]

Lets not ignore the fact that ped testing of nowadays is much more rigorous than what they were back in the day. Fury would stop many legendary hw champions, with a random blood testing for peds.

Stop? What are you smoking, bro?

Are we talking about Ivan Drago or fat feather fisted Fury??

You call a champion that stopped 2x times Wilder, Whyte and Chisora a featherfisted? lol

Fury made Wlad look like a human punching bag on his home turf.

[NazNaci1]

Lets not ignore the fact that ped testing of nowadays is much more rigorous than what they were back in the day. Fury would stop many legendary hw champions, with a random blood testing for peds.

Stop? What are you smoking, bro?

Are we talking about Ivan Drago or fat feather fisted Fury??

You call a champion that stopped 2x times Wilder, Whyte and Chisora a featherfisted? lol

Fury made Wlad look like a human punching bag on his home turf.

Zhiang KO'd Wilder with one shot and much more convincingly (Wilder was knackered when Fury stopped him and that was from an accumulation of punches and not knowing what he was doing. He ate plenty of shots, shots that if thrown from AJ, Dubois etc would have decapitated him much earlier).

Povetkin and AJ also decimated Whyte and much earlier.

Chisora was flattened by CW Haye, much earlier.

Fury outlasted these guys and is not and never was a power puncher. You need some perspective, fella.

[apollo creed]

Stop? What are you smoking, bro?

Are we talking about Ivan Drago or fat feather fisted Fury??

You call a champion that stopped 2x times Wilder, Whyte and Chisora a featherfisted? lol

Fury made Wlad look like a human punching bag on his home turf.

Zhiang KO'd Wilder with one shot and much more convincingly (Wilder was knackered when Fury stopped him and that was from an accumulation of punches and not knowing what he was doing. He ate plenty of shots, shots that if thrown from AJ, Dubois etc would have decapitated him much earlier).

Povetkin and AJ also decimated Whyte and much earlier.

Chisora was flattened by CW Haye, much earlier.

Fury outlasted these guys and is not and never was a power puncher. You need some perspective, fella.

Son don't twist it, you've said that Fury is featherfisted. I proved to you that he ain't what you said. Also the first guy that stopped an undefeated champion in Wilder x2 times was Fury.

[DrDuke]

Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Holmes, Frazier, Ali.

[NazNaci1]

You call a champion that stopped 2x times Wilder, Whyte and Chisora a featherfisted? lol

Fury made Wlad look like a human punching bag on his home turf.

Zhiang KO'd Wilder with one shot and much more convincingly (Wilder was knackered when Fury stopped him and that was from an accumulation of punches and not knowing what he was doing. He ate plenty of shots, shots that if thrown from AJ, Dubois etc would have decapitated him much earlier).

Povetkin and AJ also decimated Whyte and much earlier.

Chisora was flattened by CW Haye, much earlier.

Fury outlasted these guys and is not and never was a power puncher. You need some perspective, fella.

Son don't twist it, you've said that Fury is featherfisted. I proved to you that he ain't what you said. Also the first guy that stopped an undefeated champion in Wilder x2 times was Fury.

You ain't proved anything. My point still stands. You are misled into thinking, stopping a guy due to accumulation, fatigue etc equates to power. It doesn't. Boxing 101 stuff this, really.

Fury is not a hard puncher. Never was and would doubt he comes close to beating, let alone stopping any of the legendary great fighters.

I think Mr Drago clocked you a bit too hard and too often.

[apollo creed]

Zhiang KO'd Wilder with one shot and much more convincingly (Wilder was knackered when Fury stopped him and that was from an accumulation of punches and not knowing what he was doing. He ate plenty of shots, shots that if thrown from AJ, Dubois etc would have decapitated him much earlier).

Povetkin and AJ also decimated Whyte and much earlier.

Chisora was flattened by CW Haye, much earlier.

Fury outlasted these guys and is not and never was a power puncher. You need some perspective, fella.

Son don't twist it, you've said that Fury is featherfisted. I proved to you that he ain't what you said. Also the first guy that stopped an undefeated champion in Wilder x2 times was Fury.

You ain't proved anything. My point still stands. You are misled into thinking, stopping a guy due to accumulation, fatigue etc equates to power. It doesn't. Boxing 101 stuff this, really.

Fury is not a hard puncher. Never was and would doubt he comes close to beating, let alone stopping any of the legendary great fighters.

I think Mr Drago clocked you a bit too hard and too often.

son, if Fury is "featherfisted" as you say then why you not challenge him like Charlie Zelenoff did with Wilder, to stand your point?

Waiting to post the video, son!

[NazNaci1]

son, if Fury is "featherfisted" as you say then why you not challenge him like Charlie Zelenoff did with Wilder, to stand your point?

Waiting to post the video, son!

Ok, so you have no answer, apart from babbling on about 'oh why don't you fight him, then...'. Quality debating skills you have there, lad.

It's fine. it's New Year's Eve. Go have a drink and lay down.

[igor king]

Top version of any legend would beat top version of Fury unless that's a hypothetical top version of him.

[zorndeslammes]

Recency bias exists; I mean, would the same people who argue that Tyson Fury is clearly better than the generation of heavyweights which preceded him say that Floyd Mayweather Jr. gets tuned up by Ryan Garcia or that Bivol gives Michael Spinks the business? You know, they probably would. Nevermind.

[gilgamesh]

Ali or Holmes could take him. Evander Holyfield would be able to give him all he could handle, and probably could beat him. Lennox Lewis would beat him.

Joe Louis I think could probably beat him, but it may be tough as the size advantage is particularly large there.

Dempsey vs Fury would be tough for Fury early, but I think it leans more his way as it goes on.

There are probably lots of other contenders, and forgotten Heavies that could've been a hard night for him on their best night as well. There's only a small handful that I'd pick to definitely defeat Fury.

[gilgamesh]

Recency bias exists; I mean, would the same people who argue that Tyson Fury is clearly better than the generation of heavyweights which preceded him say that Floyd Mayweather Jr. gets tuned up by Ryan Garcia or that Bivol gives Michael Spinks the business? You know, they probably would. Nevermind.

Sometimes it's simply a matter of being able to accurately assess what you're looking at. Mayweather definitely knocks out Ryan Garcia and Bivol couldn't outbox Michael Spinks.

Compare many of the Legendary Heavyweights and their resumes to Fury, and his is as good as many of the others from the past if not better.

The very best Heavyweights of all time have a better Championship record than him, but that list is a short one.

[si7dog7]

Crikey
A lot of people here giving huge props to Fury based on skill, size etc. must put Wilder in the mix also.

Put the crack pipe down! Fury is ridiculously talented for a tall fat guy. but uber-overrated.

He’s done well.

Cunningham puts him down. Frazier takes his head off. That’s a low base start.
Ngannou puts him down. Big George resets the clock.

Let’s get to reality please.

[gilgamesh]

Crikey
A lot of people here giving huge props to Fury based on skill, size etc. must put Wilder in the mix also.

Put the crack pipe down! Fury is ridiculously talented for a tall fat guy. but uber-overrated.

He’s done well.

Cunningham puts him down. Frazier takes his head off. That’s a low base start.
Ngannou puts him down. Big George resets the clock.

Let’s get to reality please.

Wilder would win his share of fights against big names from the past, but he'd lose a lot more than Fury would, but yeah Frazier and Foreman would've been bad news for Fury too.

[apollo creed]

Size, reach, strength and skills wise is very hard to look good vs a top-shape Fury no matter who you are. Wlad was a pretty strong, a big unit and still in good shape but he got clowned by Fury. Also in the past hw eras the ped testing was poor compared with nowadays. Fury performed poorly after long periods of layoffs which is normal.

[dempseyfire]

Crikey
A lot of people here giving huge props to Fury based on skill, size etc. must put Wilder in the mix also.

Put the crack pipe down! Fury is ridiculously talented for a tall fat guy. but uber-overrated.

He’s done well.

Cunningham puts him down. Frazier takes his head off. That’s a low base start.
Ngannou puts him down. Big George resets the clock.

Let’s get to reality please.

Wilder would win his share of fights against big names from the past, but he'd lose a lot more than Fury would, but yeah Frazier and Foreman would've been bad news for Fury too.

Wilder would not have been a top 10 heavyweight in any era prior to 2015. Wilder was a hype job fed a diet of complete bums and shot ex quasi-contenders (referring to Harrison, Lyakovich, Scott) before winning a paper belt vs Stiverne, who won in a set-up Don King farce for vacant belt vs Arreola. Then his "title run" was a completely engineered diet of guys who should've been in the top 15-20, not the top 10, outside of old Ortiz who he lost every round against but managed to bail himself out with the right hand. He remains the lone true quality opponent he's ever defeated . . .in almost 50 fights.

[gilgamesh]

I agree Wilder wouldn't become a Champion in most eras, but he'd be a dangerous puncher in any era. He wouldn't have been able to have been so carefully managed in most eras. He certainly could've won a title in the 2000's with the likes of Oleg Maskaev, Samuel Peter, David Haye, Sergei Liakhovich, and Shannon Briggs holding titles.

[apollo creed]

I can agree that Wilder was just one-trick pony but 2015 Wlad is Fury's most impressive win, quality wise. I don't see no other version of Wlad or of his brother Vitali beating that 2015 version of Fury.

[keithmoonhangover]

Same is true with boxers.

Got any hard evidence to back that up?

[gilgamesh]

I can agree that Wilder was just one-trick pony but 2015 Wlad is Fury's most impressive win, quality wise. I don't see no other version of Wlad or of his brother Vitali beating that 2015 version of Fury.

I think Wladimir could've even beaten Fury in 2015 if he had actually thrown some punches. For whatever reason he just chose not to fight that fight.

[apollo creed]

I can agree that Wilder was just one-trick pony but 2015 Wlad is Fury's most impressive win, quality wise. I don't see no other version of Wlad or of his brother Vitali beating that 2015 version of Fury.

I think Wladimir could've even beaten Fury in 2015 if he had actually thrown some punches. For whatever reason he just chose not to fight that fight.

I think Wlad was just gun shy and very confused by Fury's slick-awkward style. Also Wlad could not impose his size against a more bigger man like Fury. Fury is a very bad style for up-right, stiff fighters like K brothers, AJ, etc.

[gilgamesh]

I can agree that Wilder was just one-trick pony but 2015 Wlad is Fury's most impressive win, quality wise. I don't see no other version of Wlad or of his brother Vitali beating that 2015 version of Fury.

I think Wladimir could've even beaten Fury in 2015 if he had actually thrown some punches. For whatever reason he just chose not to fight that fight.

I think Wlad was just gun shy and very confused by Fury's slick-awkward style. Also Wlad could not impose his size against a more bigger man like Fury. Fury is a very bad style for up-right, stiff fighters like K brothers, AJ, etc.

Fury was often standing there with his arm outstretched on the rope, as wide open as could be, and Wlad was just staring at him. There wasn't anything confusing.

I'll never see that fight as some sort of great performance by Fury. It was 2 guys fighting like they were afraid to lose rather than 2 guys fighting to win. It was one of the worst fights I've ever seen.

That win is great for Fury on paper. It's a lot less impressive if you see it.

[Manchester Massive]

Lewis, Foreman, Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield would all definitely beat him and strong chance both Klitschko brothers, Frazier, Norton do as well

[dogheart]

Fury Can't fight

[Thomastearns]

I think Wladimir could've even beaten Fury in 2015 if he had actually thrown some punches. For whatever reason he just chose not to fight that fight.

I think Wlad was just gun shy and very confused by Fury's slick-awkward style. Also Wlad could not impose his size against a more bigger man like Fury. Fury is a very bad style for up-right, stiff fighters like K brothers, AJ, etc.

Fury was often standing there with his arm outstretched on the rope, as wide open as could be, and Wlad was just staring at him. There wasn't anything confusing.

I'll never see that fight as some sort of great performance by Fury. It was 2 guys fighting like they were afraid to lose rather than 2 guys fighting to win. It was one of the worst fights I've ever seen.

That win is great for Fury on paper. It's a lot less impressive if you see it.

That's the big problem with Fury's best (drug fuelled) win.

It was barely worth watching the first time, a second viewing is tantamount to masochism.

Fury's running away from the contracted rematch via some cleverly concocted 'mental health issues' also add to added very little to his reputation.

The real Tyson Fury story can be told in terms of careful fight selection and the size of his bank balance (Moses Itauma, I hope you have been watching this man carefully).

Tyson Fury is not known as 'greedy belly' for nothing.


Unfortunately, this is how top level professional boxing works - careful matchmaking all the way.

Some Simple Rules to Observe, feel free to add more.

1 Always avoid fighting a younger opponent.
2 Fight over the hill guys who still have a reputation.
3 Take PEDs without getting caught, ok this one is optional.
4 Make sure you have at least one judge in the pocket beforehand just in case you can't knock out or outbox your opponent.
5 Make sure you screw your opponent out of every single penny before you sign any contract.
6 Whenever you're busy not boxing or training, you're busy self promoting.

No matter how many belts the likes of Usyk might win, clever manipulative bastards like Fury will always make far more money.

Hence, Fury v Joshua remains a far bigger fight than Usyk v Dubois.

Or you could ignore all of that and just blast your way to the summit like Mike Tyson did, but just remember that fighters like that are less than once in a generation.

[Thomastearns]

Crikey
A lot of people here giving huge props to Fury based on skill, size etc. must put Wilder in the mix also.

Put the crack pipe down! Fury is ridiculously talented for a tall fat guy. but uber-overrated.

He’s done well.

Cunningham puts him down. Frazier takes his head off. That’s a low base start.
Ngannou puts him down. Big George resets the clock.

Let’s get to reality please.

Yes, a timely reminder.