Joe Louis vs Tyson Fury (Peak vs Peak)

[keithmoonhangover]

15 rounds, Fury without the PEDs.

[elmersalsa]

Joe Louis gets crushed. We're talking over 100lbs difference and about 5 feet taller opponent. Tyson Fury ain't Primo Carnera. He is not Buddy Baer. He is not Abe Simon. He was twice better than those stiffs.

Fury by knockout in 2, maybe 3.

[goose 5]

How do you figure over a 100 pound difference ?

[The Great John L]

Joe Louis gets crushed. We're talking over 100lbs difference and about 5 feet taller opponent. Tyson Fury ain't Primo Carnera. He is not Buddy Baer. He is not Abe Simon. He was twice better than those stiffs.

Fury by knockout in 2, maybe 3.

Okay. I guess you didn't see the Fury Cunningham fight.

Louis struggles to reach him, but Joe's stiff jabs setup a a blistering combo KD sometime after the 6th round. Louis was a much harder puncher and better finisher than Cunningham and follows the KD with a blistering attack that leads to another KD and a referee stoppage in the middle rounds

[gilgamesh]

Fury stops Joe Louis in about the 10th round.

[DrDuke]

Fury is too big and strong for Louis, plus he's better on his feet.

[scorpio83]

I'm sorry, but the prime Joe Louis was no Deontay Wilder whom Fury stopped twice or beat 3 times if their first fight wasn't a draw.

Fury would have his moments by jabbing and landing big right hands at long range against the Brown Bomber, but Louis rallied in the middle rounds and wearing Fury down with jabs to his face and body punches as he would not engage Fury on the inside too much as Louis would box him on the outside with his speedy footwork and power. Fury would take Louis beyond 12 rounds, but Louis's powerful punches would be too much for Fury to handle and Louis would nail Fury in the fourteenth round with a heavy left-right combination that knocked Fury down, but unlike his fights with Wilder and Usyk, Fury would either be counted out like he never felt before or he would survive the knockdown, but Louis rain more heavy bombs that stopped Fury on his feet. It's something you guys underestimating Louis' footwork in his career when he was at his peak.

[Seamus]

Fury moves too well for Louis and has much better head movement. Fury inside 6.

[scorpio83]

I forgot to say, this is my opinion on why Louis would Fury at their peak for peak in my recent comment as you made your own opinion which is your opinion while my opinion is opinion under the mythical matchup and no offense to you elmersalsa, but most of your opinions are unpopular with the old-school fans in this matchup. I'm just saying it.

[Ambling Alp II]

Had it actually happened, Louis would have destroyed him. He was light years better. The 2nd best heavyweight of all time at his peak would destroy this a clown.

[elmersalsa]

I just can't see a guy that weighed in in his prime less than 200lbs, beating a guy that weighed 270 plus pounds. Especially, if the guy that weighed in 270 plus, is mobile, had far longer reach and is listed at 6'9"?

What these revisionist believe Tyson Fury was? Abe Simon? Primo Carnera? Buddy Baer?

C'mon guys! One shot by Fury or Deontay Wilder and the great Joe Louis does not get up. They were not Max Schmeling or Two Ton Tony Galento, folks!

Stop it! Just stop it!

[keithmoonhangover]

I just can't see a guy that weighed in in his prime less than 200lbs, beating a guy that weighed 270 plus pounds. Especially, if the guy that weighed in 270 plus, is mobile, had far longer reach and is listed at 6'9"?

What these revisionist believe Tyson Fury was? Abe Simon? Primo Carnera? Buddy Baer?

C'mon guys! One shot by Fury or Deontay Wilder and the great Joe Louis does not get up. They were not Max Schmeling or Two Ton Tony Galento, folks!

Stop it! Just stop it!

Fury struggled and was dropped by Steve Cunningham, that's Steve Cunningham. Fury just lost back to back fight fights against Usyk. Both of whom were small heavyweights, who campaigned at cruiserweight. There's some evidence that Fury struggled with smaller guys. Usyk is great, no question, but Steve Cunningham, please stop it. Louis was one of the most feared punchers in the history of the sport.

elmer, if Cunningham put Fury on the deck, what on earth is Joe Louis going to do to him?

[DrDuke]

I just can't see a guy that weighed in in his prime less than 200lbs, beating a guy that weighed 270 plus pounds. Especially, if the guy that weighed in 270 plus, is mobile, had far longer reach and is listed at 6'9"?

What these revisionist believe Tyson Fury was? Abe Simon? Primo Carnera? Buddy Baer?

C'mon guys! One shot by Fury or Deontay Wilder and the great Joe Louis does not get up. They were not Max Schmeling or Two Ton Tony Galento, folks!

Stop it! Just stop it!

Fury struggled and was dropped by Steve Cunningham, that's Steve Cunningham. Fury just lost back to back fight fights against Usyk. Both of whom were small heavyweights, who campaigned at cruiserweight. There's some evidence that Fury struggled with smaller guys. Usyk is great, no question, but Steve Cunningham, please stop it. Louis was one of the most feared punchers in the history of the sport.

elmer, if Cunningham put Fury on the deck, what on earth is Joe Louis going to do to him?

What has Fury done with Cunningham?

Maybe you know count all sh1thouses, who dropped Louis?

[scorpio83]

I'm with Ambling Alp II and keithmoonhangover there. I believe Tyson Fury's wins over the aging Wlad and the trilogy fight with Wilder were good, but overrated as he beat an aging Wlad like I said before and Fury faced that Wlad who didn't have Manny Steward who passed away 3 years prior to their bout. Maybe people who think Fury would beat the peak Joe Louis is because they like big men like Fury and saying like size matters this and that, but half of the time size doesn't matter. Look at Fury's two fights with Usyk who outbox and outpunch him as he was the only one who beat Fury twice. What makes them think that the Tyson Fury who lost twice to the smaller Usyk, who was heavy enough would beat a prime Joe Louis? If they say Fury beat Louis when they were at the peak, no problem because if there was the rematch or a trilogy, the peak Joe Louis would win 2-1 against the peak Fury because they forgot that Louis was prepare and deadlier in rematches. I love big men as those guys, but sometimes, I acknowledge that most smaller fighters in the heavyweight champion had more heart to be as good or great in history. Even Holyfield from his early career as a heavyweight was the same size as Louis as they could use their speed and power against bigger man as like Holyfield beat the 42-year old comeback George Foreman (RIP). If Holyfield could beat Foreman (RIP), then Louis would use his speed and power against Furry by slipping through Fury's long arms by landing bombs on the inside and moving away on the outside to slow Fury down until the later rounds that Fury had nothing left and Louis would either keep landing speedy powerpunches to take a decision or stopping him late in 14 or 15 rounds in his era.

[elmersalsa]

I just can't see a guy that weighed in in his prime less than 200lbs, beating a guy that weighed 270 plus pounds. Especially, if the guy that weighed in 270 plus, is mobile, had far longer reach and is listed at 6'9"?

What these revisionist believe Tyson Fury was? Abe Simon? Primo Carnera? Buddy Baer?

C'mon guys! One shot by Fury or Deontay Wilder and the great Joe Louis does not get up. They were not Max Schmeling or Two Ton Tony Galento, folks!

Stop it! Just stop it!

Fury struggled and was dropped by Steve Cunningham, that's Steve Cunningham. Fury just lost back to back fight fights against Usyk. Both of whom were small heavyweights, who campaigned at cruiserweight. There's some evidence that Fury struggled with smaller guys. Usyk is great, no question, but Steve Cunningham, please stop it. Louis was one of the most feared punchers in the history of the sport.

elmer, if Cunningham put Fury on the deck, what on earth is Joe Louis going to do to him?

Joe Louis cannot beat Tyson Fury.

The tale of the tape:

Height: Louis 6'1". Fury 6'9"
Weight: Louis 200lbs. Fury 277lbs+
Reach: Louis 76". Fury 85"

Are you serious? Do you think that Fury is Primo Carnera? Buddy Baer? Abe Simon? Stop it! Stop it! Okay? Stop it!

[Seamus]

Just can't see Fury getting stopped by Schmeling, wobbled by 170 lb Conn, hit at will by Fat Tony, and dropped thrice by Old Walcott, but I expect a few posters who could will chime in soon enough.

[elmersalsa]

Just can't see Fury getting stopped by Schmeling, wobbled by 170 lb Conn, hit at will by Fat Tony, and dropped thrice by Old Walcott, but I expect a few posters who could will chime in soon enough.

A few times that I agree with you. Can you imagine Two Ton Tony Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Galento 5'7" 233lbs
Fury 6'9" 277lbs+

[Ambling Alp II]

Just can't see Fury getting stopped by Schmeling, wobbled by 170 lb Conn, hit at will by Fat Tony, and dropped thrice by Old Walcott, but I expect a few posters who could will chime in soon enough.

Sure, I will chime in.
Those guys are no Steve Cunningham, but who knows?
You really can't imagine any of that happening? Fury isn't exactly known for having a great chin.
Love how Walcott is referred to as old but no mention of Louis being far past his prime when he fought Walcott.

As for Louis, that is cherry picking a few fights out of a career that spanned 71 fights. Can't find any big moments in Louis favor?
You find things with anyone. Holmes got decked by Renaldo Snipes. Lennox Lewis got knocked out Rahman. Liston lost a decision to Marty Marshall. Marciano barely won decisions over Ted Lowrey and Roland La Starza. Dempsey got knocked out of the ring by Firpo. etc.

[Seamus]

Joe Louis was an outstanding fighter, but he fought in an era when most heavyweights fought at what would be cruiserweight today. Steve Cunningham was alot bigger than Schmeling and had been a cruiserweight champion.

[Ambling Alp II]

Louis beat enough guys well over the all-important 200 pounds mark.
Cuningham was not a big puncher and yet he knocked down Fury. Fury got knocked down by Usyk. Knocked down multiple times by Wilder, and almost got ko'd.
Louis punched a lot harder than Cunningham. Louis threw a lot of punches. Louis was very accurate. Louis was a great finisher. All of this points to Louis beating the crap out of a clown like Fury.

[elmersalsa]

Fury would smash Louis. If anyone can't trust Fury's chin, they should not trust Louis' chin, either. Louis' chin was not up to par as his wallop punch. He got decked too many times by inferior, low level skilled and smaller opponents.

Can you imagine Two Ton Tony Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Tony Galento 5'7" 233lbs.
Tyson Fury 6'9" 277lbs or more.

Are we serious? These guys today are Giants!

[keithmoonhangover]

Just can't see Fury getting stopped by Schmeling, wobbled by 170 lb Conn, hit at will by Fat Tony, and dropped thrice by Old Walcott, but I expect a few posters who could will chime in soon enough.

Fury got dropped my Neven Pajkic. That is all.

[keithmoonhangover]

Fury would smash Louis. If anyone can't trust Fury's chin, they should not trust Louis' chin, either. Louis' chin was not up to par as his wallop punch. He got decked too many times by inferior, low level skilled and smaller opponents.

Can you imagine Two Ton Tony Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Tony Galento 5'7" 233lbs.
Tyson Fury 6'9" 277lbs or more.

Are we serious? These guys today are Giants!

Elmer. Fury just lost back to back fights against a guy who's an inch and a half taller than Joe Louis. Height means nothing elmer.

[elmersalsa]

Fury would smash Louis. If anyone can't trust Fury's chin, they should not trust Louis' chin, either. Louis' chin was not up to par as his wallop punch. He got decked too many times by inferior, low level skilled and smaller opponents.

Can you imagine Two Ton Tony Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Tony Galento 5'7" 233lbs.
Tyson Fury 6'9" 277lbs or more.

Are we serious? These guys today are Giants!

Elmer. Fury just lost back to back fights against a guy who's an inch and a half taller than Joe Louis. Height means nothing elmer.

Was Joe Louis a great champion? Yes. I ranked him #2 at heavyweight all-time behind Muhammad Ali.

But, he fought in an era that guys were stiffs, especially the big guys. These guys, the majority of them, weren't even boxers. They were just guys trying to make a living. A lot of these guys that Louis fought didn't fight in that amateurs. And if they did, they didn't had a long amateur background.

Louis was too small for even in his era. At 6'1" and never over 200lbs most of the time won't cut it with these giants of today. I call it like I see it. My grandma would be pissed at my comments, she was around in Louis's heyday, but that's the truth.

Plus, the main reason I don't think that he would be great at heavyweight after the reign of Sonny Liston is because, first, he was too small. Second, his skills for those times were primitive. And third, I DON'T TRUST HIS CHIN. One shot by those guys of the 70s and is over

[scorpio83]

Fury would smash Louis. If anyone can't trust Fury's chin, they should not trust Louis' chin, either. Louis' chin was not up to par as his wallop punch. He got decked too many times by inferior, low level skilled and smaller opponents.

Can you imagine Two Ton Tony Galento dropping Tyson Fury?

Tony Galento 5'7" 233lbs.
Tyson Fury 6'9" 277lbs or more.

Are we serious? These guys today are Giants!

Elmer. Fury just lost back to back fights against a guy who's an inch and a half taller than Joe Louis. Height means nothing elmer.

I love you Elmer and we agreed on most of certain subjects on this site, but we all due respect, Louis was decked by very skilled and smaller opponents and were high level in their time whom I feel like that you were dissing them like the Max Schmeling, Jimmy Braddock, Two Ton Tony Galento and Jersey Joe Walcott. Two Ton Tony Galento stood 5'9" not 2 inches shorter and his weight was bigger than Louis when he knocked him down, but Louis managed to get up and stopped Two Ton in 4 rounds. You failed to mentioned Buddy Baer who was the biggest opponent Louis fought in his prime decked Louis and out of the ring in their first fight, but Louis got up and knocked Buddy down several times before he knocked Buddy down once again this time at the bell, but Buddy got DQ before the start of the seventh round claiming Louis nailed him after the bell, which it wasn't true. In their rematch, Louis KO Buddy Baer in 1 round. Like Keith said, height means nothing or size don't matter. I think you have a little too much favoritism for big men in today's era over certain heavyweight legends who were smaller, bigger or same size as Joe Louis. I also think you never understand the aura of dominant of the Brown Bomber in his prime and at the end of the day, we will agreed to disagreed like this subject we were talking about. Like I said, I respect you on how we agreed on certain subjects and I respect your opinion, but your opinion along with others whom I can't take your opinion seriously. I have to stop right there and we can move on to another boxing subject that we mostly agreed on.