What are possible ways for boxing to gain its popularity back like it did in the 1900s-1950s

[elmersalsa]

Boxing doesn't need Golden Boy Promotions nor Bob Arum either. These two were the worst of the worst. Don King promoted the best fights since 1974. An that's not even close. If he stole money off fighters, it wasn't his fault. It was the fighters' managers.

Doubling down on this point is so unbelievably retarded.
It isn't his fault? How is it not his fault? He did it for no other reason than greed.

And you are so stupid that if you were a manager in Don King's days he would have fuucked your ass, dickhead!

Of course it was the manager's fault. Don King did what he did. And it was wrong. But, manager's should have been much more intelligent. It was the manager's fault, not his. And Don King wasn't the only one stealing. Ask Bob Arum if he didn't steal.

[elmersalsa]

Where all you when I was only arguing with Ambling Alp? I don't have the time to respond every single one of you.

What is this? Ten against one?

[elmersalsa]

Is that there's something against Don King? I guess that he promoted better fights than the overrated Bob Arum.

Could it be because King is black?

[Ezzard]

Boxing is popular in the UK. And the Saudi shows are fantastic for the sport.

50-50 fights are what makes for good viewing. And a push to make exciting fights and reward those with exciting styles.

Mayweather getting paid a fortune to hand pick opponents, stand on the back foot and elbow the other guy for 12 rounds was a low tide moment for the sport.

[gilgamesh]

I doubt it'll ever get as big culturally as it was in the early part of the 20th century again. The main thing that would make a difference is just an exciting Champion with lots of highlight reel performances catching the public's imagination, and then you put lots of other big names, and potential stars on his undercards, and business is picking up.

It doesn't help that in the modern world there's so many more avenues of making money that a tough guy could go down besides Boxing.

[Jaywheel]

Is that there's something against Don King? I guess that he promoted better fights than the overrated Bob Arum.

Could it be because King is black?

Nailed it so hard you crucificated it.

[margaret thatcher]

thats wacist

[p4p1]

Boxing doesn't need Golden Boy Promotions nor Bob Arum either. These two were the worst of the worst. Don King promoted the best fights since 1974. An that's not even close. If he stole money off fighters, it wasn't his fault. It was the fighters' managers.

Doubling down on this point is so unbelievably retarded.
It isn't his fault? How is it not his fault? He did it for no other reason than greed.

And you are so stupid that if you were a manager in Don King's days he would have fuucked your ass, dickhead!

Of course it was the manager's fault. Don King did what he did. And it was wrong. But, manager's should have been much more intelligent. It was the manager's fault, not his. And Don King wasn't the only one stealing. Ask Bob Arum if he didn't steal.

[p4p1]

Is that there's something against Don King? I guess that he promoted better fights than the overrated Bob Arum.

Could it be because King is black?

I'm not sure what your obsession with Bob Arum is about. Arum promoted plenty of great fights.

Black people don't like Don King. So I doubt his race has anything to do with why he is disliked.

But hey, you're the same person who said OJ was wronged because he became a pariah after murdering two people. That probably sums up your opinions.

[elmersalsa]

Is that there's something against Don King? I guess that he promoted better fights than the overrated Bob Arum.

Could it be because King is black?

I'm not sure what your obsession with Bob Arum is about. Arum promoted plenty of great fights.

Black people don't like Don King. So I doubt his race has anything to do with why he is disliked.

But hey, you're the same person who said OJ was wronged because he became a pariah after murdering two people. That probably sums up your opinions.

And you believe that OJ should not have a job after the murder trial? Didn't he was not guilty? Those are the laws of our great United States, right?

Why do they denied him the job? He was good looking. He was a legend of the NFL. A hall of fame guy. He was tall, smart, witty and intelligent. He knew the game of the NFL as also the NCAA football. He was a sportscaster before. What was the problem?

Ain't America the land of the free? Ain't America the land of second chances? Or there isn't against black people? Does the laws of America only appeases to white people?

You don't have to answer me. I know the deal. I could read between the lines.


And comparing Bob Arum to Don King as the best promoter is a blasphemy. Arum doesn't come close!

Don King by far, promoted the biggest, greatest, and most anticipated fights in boxing history. You can call him a crook all you want to. But, if he was the crook, then why fighters kept coming to him for big million dollar paydays?

[Ambling Alp II]

Because they literally had no choice than have them promote their fights. Many of these guys were in exclusive contracts with King. If you wanted to fight one of those guys, King was going to promote it. King also had tie ins with the "governing bodies". If you didn't sign with King, they might not rank you and you might not get a title shot.

Here is what you don't get. (One of many, many things) If King never existed, every single one of those big fight that King promoted would still have happened. they would have just been promoted by someone else. Actually, think about that.
He did nothing to make the sport better and a lot to make it worse.

As for and OJ Simpson, well at least King never killed anyone. Oh wait....

[elmersalsa]

Because they literally had no choice than have them promote their fights. Many of these guys were in exclusive contracts with King. If you wanted to fight one of those guys, King was going to promote it. King also had tie ins with the "governing bodies". If you didn't sign with King, they might not rank you and you might not get a title shot.

Here is what you don't get. (One of many, many things) If King never existed, every single one of those big fight that King promoted would still have happened. they would have just been promoted by someone else. Actually, think about that.
He did nothing to make the sport better and a lot to make it worse.

As for and OJ Simpson, well at least King never killed anyone. Oh wait....

So what if Don King manipulated the ranks. Still, he promoted the greatest fights in history. He wasn't manipulating the ranks in Muhammad Ali vs George Foreman, did he?

Did he manipulated the rankings when Roberto Duran fought Sugar Ray Leonard?

All is bs to discredit Don King like if Bob Arum was a saint. Like if Arum was THE RIGHTEOUS PROMOTER! THE RIGHTEOUS ONE! GTFOH!

Don King was the greatest promoter in boxing, black or white that ever existed. It's because he's black you don't like him.

I believe that OJ killed them two people. It's just that the prosecution got greedy with altering the evidence. And that was wicked by the Los Angeles County Prosecution team. That's why they didn't win because they should have had the evidence as is.

Remember, Mark Furhman was wicked. Wasn't he?

[Ambling Alp II]

"So what if he manipulated the rankings?"
Seriously? The rankings should be legitimate. That means that a guy who should be in the top 10 isn't. That hurts his career opportunities. If a guy is #6 and should be #1, he probably won't get a title shot. Many times we have seen a fighter with no business near the top 10 getting a title shot instead of someone more deserving. For example, Leroy Jones somehow was the WBC # 1 contender and Holmes had to give him a title shot. Jones had no business being anywhere near that high. As a result, a more deserving fighter did not get a title shot, and that fighter and the fans got cheated.

No, he didn't manipulate the rankings when Ali fought Foreman and Duran fought Leonard. no reason to do that in those cases. with mega fights like that, everyone knew they were top fighters

Nobody is saying Bob Arum is saint. You are the one who keeps bringing him up.

How about this. I will ask you a couple of questions and you actually answer them. Don't ignore it and keep repeating your same old arguments. No other comments at all. Just answer the question yes or no.

If Don King did not exist, would the Ali-Foreman and Duran-Leonard fights have happened anyway?
Yes or no.

Was the sport more popular before King became a big-time promoter or after King he stopped?
Yes or no.

[elmersalsa]

"So what if he manipulated the rankings?"
Seriously? The rankings should be legitimate. That means that a guy who should be in the top 10 isn't. That hurts his career opportunities. If a guy is #6 and should be #1, he probably won't get a title shot. Many times we have seen a fighter with no business near the top 10 getting a title shot instead of someone more deserving. For example, Leroy Jones somehow was the WBC # 1 contender and Holmes had to give him a title shot. Jones had no business being anywhere near that high. As a result, a more deserving fighter did not get a title shot, and that fighter and the fans got cheated.

No, he didn't manipulate the rankings when Ali fought Foreman and Duran fought Leonard. no reason to do that in those cases. with mega fights like that, everyone knew they were top fighters

Nobody is saying Bob Arum is saint. You are the one who keeps bringing him up.

How about this. I will ask you a couple of questions and you actually answer them. Don't ignore it and keep repeating your same old arguments. No other comments at all. Just answer the question yes or no.

If Don King did not exist, would the Ali-Foreman and Duran-Leonard fights have happened anyway?
Yes or no.

Was the sport more popular before King became a big-time promoter or after King he stopped?
Yes or no.

What if doesn't exist. That's like saying if Mickey Mantle didn't get hurt, he would have had 700 home runs. Or if Willie Mays would have not been in San Francisco or join the armed forces, he would have had more than 660 home runs.

It is what it is. Don King promoted it. Bob Arum was in the picture. Why then Arum didn't promote the fights? Why Arum didn't promote Sugar Ray Leonard vs Thomas Hearns fight #1 got example?

It is what it is.


If the Muhammad Ali vs George Foreman would have been promoted by someone else? Yes. Don King didn't promote Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier fight#1, did he?

Sugar Ray Leonard and Roberto Duran would have happened anyway. So, what's is the point? Bob Arum didn't promoted it. It was Don King. It is what it is, bruh!

If Don King was white, you would have been praising him as the best promoter of all-time. You just didn't like King because he was THE MAN. And also black.

Let's cut the bullshit, please!

[elmersalsa]

Ambling Alp. Don't discredit Don King of what he did for promoting the sport of boxing to the masses. Since 1973, King has promoted the biggest, the greatest and most anticipated fights in boxing history.

No promoter, white or black, before or after, has had greatest boxing promotions than King. He had the best fights, the most thrilling ones, the most famous ones, and it is what it is.

Tex Rickard nor Bob Arum nor Dan Duva nor Golden Boy Promotions were nothing compared to the promoter extraordinaire Don King.

Only in America, my man!

[Ambling Alp II]

I asked you two questions. Yes or No.

If Don King did not exist, would the Ali-Foreman and Duran-Leonard fights have happened anyway?
You said no. that is idiotic. They obviously would have fought regardless of what promoters were around.

Was the sport more popular before King became a big-time promoter or after King he stopped?
Yes or no.

Answer that one.

[elmersalsa]

I asked you two questions. Yes or No.

If Don King did not exist, would the Ali-Foreman and Duran-Leonard fights have happened anyway?
You said no. that is idiotic. They obviously would have fought regardless of what promoters were around.

Was the sport more popular before King became a big-time promoter or after King he stopped?
Yes or no.

Answer that one.

First of all, don't be a liar. I said yes. Anybody would have promoted the fight of Duran vs Leonard I and II. The point was, and still is, Don King promoted it. He promoted the greatest, the most anticipated, and biggest fights in boxing history. NOBODY! ABSOLUTELY NOBODY COMES CLOSE!

The second question is if the sport of boxing was more popular before Don King came around? Yes, it was popular.

After Don King, boxing has been a total joke lately. I could say that.

[keithmoonhangover]

NOBODY! ABSOLUTELY NOBODY COMES CLOSE!

CALM DOWN!

[elmersalsa]

NOBODY! ABSOLUTELY NOBODY COMES CLOSE!

CALM DOWN!

Well, tell me a promoter that promoted better and greater fights than Don King. Do you have the answer?

[Ambling Alp II]

He may have promoted the most big fights. So what? He had monopoly on the sport and boxers had virtually no choice. The sport didn't need King to promote these fights. If King wasn't a round, someone else would have done it.
A great promoter can make fight that should not be that big of a draw into a fight that is a big draw.

Tex Rickard promoted a fight between Floyd Johnson and 41-year old Jess Willard in 1923. This was years after Willard got destroyed by Jack Dempsey. Johnson was a fringe contender.
Any idea how people went to this fight? Over 60,000! That is a great promoter. He got a ton of people interested in a fight that they otherwise would not be interested in.

[keithmoonhangover]

NOBODY! ABSOLUTELY NOBODY COMES CLOSE!

CALM DOWN!

Well, tell me a promoter that promoted better and greater fights than Don King. Do you have the answer?

Are you talking about solely promoting a fight, which is the promoter's role? Or are you also talking about matchmaking and the actual fight itself?

[Tony1244]

Put 15 rounds back. Especially for the mega million fights. The paying customer is the loser today. They pay too much money for PPV for absurd product.

One world champion per division or two. Not four.

Boxing got to eliminate the MMA/UCF. They're losing popularity against guys like Dana White.

Bring back someone like promoter Don King again.

Reading your first 3 paragraphs I felt like I was making a Pac Man killing in the 1980s. When I read your last paragraph I felt like I was eaten.

[Ambling Alp II]

The sad thing is that he actually believes this. He admits that the big fights would have happened without King. he admits that the sport was worse of when King stopped being the top promoter. Yet, somehow, some way, he is convinced that King was great for the sport and that the sport needs someone like him now. He just never gets it. Never. Unbelievable.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Copy ufc

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I love message boards. People arguing about don king and oj