The "Old School" Boxing Trainers

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Freddie Brown had trained Bob Pastor for this fight.
-1937-

and Freddie Brown was there for this one too
-1978-

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BTW Have you ever read the book ARMS FOR LIVING by Gene Tunney (published 1941)
when you read that it sounds a whole lot like Cus D'Amato's 'philosophy"
Gene Tunney has chapters in it on Courage, Fear and most important of all to him "Will Power".
be sure to check it out.

Whitey Bimstein was the trainer for Gene Tunney for the majority of his career.

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I dont think that Gene Tunney had even mentioned Whitey Bimstein once in either of his
two autobiographies.

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Some guys work a corner a few times and later say they "trained" the fighter in question.

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was Dan Florio the one that Cus D'Amato had fired, claiming
that he was 'stealing from him" and 'crooked" ?
(perhaps it may have been Frank Levelle)
When Florio left, Patterson left .
(Liston vrs Patterson II was the last time D'Amato worked Patterson's corner)

Have never heard that D'Amato had him fired, though I think there was some tension between the two. I read a biography on Floyd Patterson a few years ago. It implied that D'Amato was a wacko who didn't really know what he was doing.
Florio was brought in to be the chief second before the 2nd Johansson fight. (If I remember correctly, D'Amato was not involved in that fight.) Patterson fought one of the best fights of his career in that fight.

Florio trained Battalino, Canzoneri, Jack Delaney, Freddie Miller, and several other big-name guys during his career. He also turned Jersey Joe Walcott's career around. He somehow is not in the Hall of Fame; probably should have been in more than 20 years ago.

I think both Dan and his brother Nick may have been inducted in the old Ring Magazine Hall of Fame? Not certain though, but both deserve to be inducted into the IBHOF.

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"Professor" Watson Burns, you don't here too much about him.(he had trained Jack Jonson and some other famous boxers)
June-18-1932
https://books.google.com/books?id=wUxGA ... pg=PA15&dq

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Ring magazine's Nat Fleischer had said the greatest trainer of all time had been Billy Delaney
(article on far right side of newspaper page 11 )
October.6. 1926
https://books.google.com/books?id=-sQuA ... &pg=PA6&dq

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was Dan Florio the one that Cus D'Amato had fired, claiming
that he was 'stealing from him" and 'crooked" ?
(perhaps it may have been Frank Levelle)
When Florio left, Patterson left .
(Liston vrs Patterson II was the last time D'Amato worked Patterson's corner)

Have never heard that D'Amato had him fired, though I think there was some tension between the two. I read a biography on Floyd Patterson a few years ago. It implied that D'Amato was a wacko who didn't really know what he was doing.
Florio was brought in to be the chief second before the 2nd Johansson fight. (If I remember correctly, D'Amato was not involved in that fight.) Patterson fought one of the best fights of his career in that fight.

Florio trained Battalino, Canzoneri, Jack Delaney, Freddie Miller, and several other big-name guys during his career. He also turned Jersey Joe Walcott's career around. He somehow is not in the Hall of Fame; probably should have been in more than 20 years ago.

I think both Dan and his brother Nick may have been inducted in the old Ring Magazine Hall of Fame? Not certain though, but both deserve to be inducted into the IBHOF.

Don't know if they were in the Ring Magazine HOF. It's just amazing that Dan is still not in the IBHOF. It's like he has been totally forgotten.

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Most likely Nick Patterson quit the business when Dan Florio had died in 1965.
(and also Stillman's gym had closed in 1959)
when did Nick Florio pass away ?
(A book about Jersey Joe Walcott mentions that he had been born in 1904 in Italy)
Also I wonder if it had been Nick Florio that Cus D'Amato had actually fired ?

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check out this interview with Whitey Bimstein from 1960.
it's the closest that you will actually ever come to hearing him speak in person!
https://books.google.com/books?id=R10rA ... pg=PA22&dq