Vasiliy Lomachenko has Retired!

[golden_labrador]

Even Usyk basically told him to f*ck off, and they aren't friends anymore because of Loma's unclear stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Do you have a source for this? Loma was in the war, no? Fighting for Ukraine.

Loma was never "in the war," strictly speaking. He supposedly joined the territorial defence in his oblast (equivalent to
a province or state in the US) for a brief time, which is basically just being part of the civil militia. However, the people in that territorial defence said he was there, maybe for a very brief time in total and just used it as a PR stunt. The media in the US obviously caught this story and tried to make him into some kind of hero from a few Instagram pics, but the actual soldiers who joined that territorial defence and did actual duty and time knew the real truth about Loma, so he never got much respect. Also, apparently, Loma once refused to provide identification at a military checkpoint, so the soldiers put him at gunpoint and searched his car. Allegedly the story is that he was pissed off that they didn't let him pass simply because he was Lomachenko. Mind you, there were some other "celebrities" in Ukraine who did PR stunts similar to Loma. It's just that Lomas's ego is so ridiculously massive when he is in Ukraine; few people respect him in Ukraine.

As for Usyk, I believe he did put in some decent time for Kyiv's territorial defence. Also, the situation in Kyiv was much more dangerous than it was in Odesa at the time (Russian troops were essentially on the outskirts of the city) so Usyk got a lot more respect by staying in Kyiv and not fleeing. But Usyk gets his real respect because he has supported troops at the frontline financially for a long time now (even before the full-scale invasion) since 2014. This whole thing about "fighting in the war" was always a way to show solidarity with his people and to raise general morale. Usyk knows he has little to offer on the frontline itself and is more valuable in actually winning fights and promoting Ukraine and Ukraine's voice on the international stage. And that's where the difference lies between them. Lomachenko, although he had been mostly pro-Ukrainian all his career, took a somewhat ambiguous political position when the war started. For example, when he joined that territorial defence force, he would fly his city flag and would be rarely seen with the Ukrainian flag. At one fight, I believe, he took his city flag and not the Ukrainian flag (this was when the war was happening). Many people took that as making the statement that he doesn't identify with his Ukrainianness and only does with his city/region identity and probably would be just as comfortable with russia being in control of Ukraine. Add to this the fact that he has been part of the russian orthodox church in Ukraine (a church that has basically lost the majority of its members to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church the moment the war started) Loma to this day is in this fringe mindset being influenced by some weird russian orthodox priests (who are on the FSB/KGB payroll).

thanks for this.

I was wondering about it a few days ago, why no visible Loma at the Fury fight and looked online, couldn't find anything. I noticed there wasn't much on insta either, but saw Usyk had liked Loma's post from this week. I've read before about what you've said re: Loma and his vague position. sounds like Rasputins playing him like a daft puppet.

Usyk carrying on boxing seemed to me like it's for Ukraine more than his own personal glory. respect.

[Sweet Dick Willie]

Cheers! And shit, I totally bought into that hero image... Do you have any news/articles for further reading? Thanks

You can try reading this article in Ukrainian with google translate (also available in russian):
https://champion.com.ua/ukr/boxing/nabo ... p-1009007/

Mind you the google translate doesn't translate it very well and makes mistakes.

Idk any good ones in English.

Thanks man, I'll check that out

[Ruthless-RKO]

Vasiliy Lomachenko to decide on future at top of the year

Vasiliy Lomachenko expects to make his decision on whether or not to retire after the New Year.

Vasiliy Lomachenko has been out of action since his May win over George Kambosos, with no clear indication as to what he’ll do next — if anything. Lomachenko had been floated a proposal to fight Gervonta Davis but instead opted to take some time away from the sport to be with his family.

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum tells Sky Sports that he’s not pressing Lomachenko on his future but says he expects for Lomachenko to have his decision made shortly after New Year’s Day.

“They told me that he was going back to Ukraine because he had to be with his kids who are in school and there was bombing outside and he didn’t feel he was in the position at that point to talk about a future fight,” Arum told Sky Sports. “But he promised that after the first of the year he would make a decision. So what that decision [will be?] I think it’s true that he didn’t know at that point what decision he would make.”

At age 36 Lomachenko is still a capable operator in the ring, but it seems pretty clear that he’s no longer in peak physical form and working with diminishing returns in that regard. And despite having only 21 professional fights under his belt Lomachenko began his professional career at the world level, having been a highly decorated amateur and therefore didn’t waste much time building up his record before competing for his first world title.

A lot of those who work closely with Lomachenko have given the sense that this could be the end of the road for the Ukrainian, but we should have an official announcement one way or the other in relatively short order.

[igor king]

Even Usyk basically told him to f*ck off, and they aren't friends anymore because of Loma's unclear stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Do you have a source for this? Loma was in the war, no? Fighting for Ukraine.

Loma was never "in the war," strictly speaking. He supposedly joined the territorial defence in his oblast (equivalent to
a province or state in the US) for a brief time, which is basically just being part of the civil militia. However, the people in that territorial defence said he was there, maybe for a very brief time in total and just used it as a PR stunt. The media in the US obviously caught this story and tried to make him into some kind of hero from a few Instagram pics, but the actual soldiers who joined that territorial defence and did actual duty and time knew the real truth about Loma, so he never got much respect. Also, apparently, Loma once refused to provide identification at a military checkpoint, so the soldiers put him at gunpoint and searched his car. Allegedly the story is that he was pissed off that they didn't let him pass simply because he was Lomachenko. Mind you, there were some other "celebrities" in Ukraine who did PR stunts similar to Loma. It's just that Lomas's ego is so ridiculously massive when he is in Ukraine; few people respect him in Ukraine.

As for Usyk, I believe he did put in some decent time for Kyiv's territorial defence. Also, the situation in Kyiv was much more dangerous than it was in Odesa at the time (Russian troops were essentially on the outskirts of the city) so Usyk got a lot more respect by staying in Kyiv and not fleeing. But Usyk gets his real respect because he has supported troops at the frontline financially for a long time now (even before the full-scale invasion) since 2014. This whole thing about "fighting in the war" was always a way to show solidarity with his people and to raise general morale. Usyk knows he has little to offer on the frontline itself and is more valuable in actually winning fights and promoting Ukraine and Ukraine's voice on the international stage. And that's where the difference lies between them. Lomachenko, although he had been mostly pro-Ukrainian all his career, took a somewhat ambiguous political position when the war started. For example, when he joined that territorial defence force, he would fly his city flag and would be rarely seen with the Ukrainian flag. At one fight, I believe, he took his city flag and not the Ukrainian flag (this was when the war was happening). Many people took that as making the statement that he doesn't identify with his Ukrainianness and only does with his city/region identity and probably would be just as comfortable with russia being in control of Ukraine. Add to this the fact that he has been part of the russian orthodox church in Ukraine (a church that has basically lost the majority of its members to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church the moment the war started) Loma to this day is in this fringe mindset being influenced by some weird russian orthodox priests (who are on the FSB/KGB payroll).

There are some very questionable propaganda statements in this post, specifically on the Ukrainian Orthodox Church which both Usyk and Loma are associated with (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/artic ... tyson-fury). Banning a mainstream religion and repressions based on a language you speak (both happening in Ukraine) is incompatible with Western civilization which Ukraine wants to be a part of.

[robbydecker]

He's a 36 year old man who has gone up multiple weight classes and is largely reliant on his athletic talents to evade punches. If you need reflexes and fast twitch muscles to win, getting old is a bad thing to happen to you. Fighting ever larger men is also bad.

Great points, that so many hater casuals don't seem to ever get, as in,(The point of reasoning).
They just prefer to hate and use they're favorite word "Excuses".
As you alluded to, pointing out Loma's attributes/forte based strengths...
His style is very heavily reliant on athleticism, lateral movement, reflexes, fast-twitch physicality mechanisms.
Ala-Roy Jones Jr(Proverbial comparison), and even more to point out that Roy remained heavy-handed, even after he became Old(The 1st Tarver bout, and then "Older" in they're rematch). And Roy was 35, and fighting at 175.

Loma, a natural 126 boxer, moving up to 130, and then eventually 135, and suddenly being called out by Tank, at the age of 36, when Tank could've fought him 5 or 6 years earlier, and then the Hater Casuals storming the comments section with baffoonery, saying "Excuses", and, look at Floyd at 36 vs Canelo, and they're other blah blah blabbery, and hardy harr hardery.
Salido should've had multiple points deductions, en route to losing fairly wide on the cards. Watch the Cotto-Urkal bout. Urkal fought less than half as dirty as Salido and was deducted 6 points..!!! Also, Haney bout should've been a draw imo, with an immediate rematch. Teo bout had an injured Loma trying to compromise and improvise. It's called Reasons for Reasons, Causes for Reasons, Reasons for causes, not "Excuses".

These Same Buffoons would probably scream they're magic critique word "Excuses" if a former 50 HR hitter lost an arm, still played, and was only able to hit 10-15 hr's anymore. Or if a top rated running back in America football lost a leg, made a comeback and was only at 50% productivity anymore.
It's that special next level of Crude Hater Baffoonery Mentality that tries to lower a true Analyzer's iQ and keeps brains cloudy and foggy headed.

[zorndeslammes]

Great points, that so many hater casuals don't seem to ever get, as in,(The point of reasoning).
They just prefer to hate and use they're favorite word "Excuses".
As you alluded to, pointing out Loma's attributes/forte based strengths...
His style is very heavily reliant on athleticism, lateral movement, reflexes, fast-twitch physicality mechanisms.
Ala-Roy Jones Jr(Proverbial comparison), and even more to point out that Roy remained heavy-handed, even after he became Old(The 1st Tarver bout, and then "Older" in they're rematch). And Roy was 35, and fighting at 175.

Yeah. And Roy still had days where he looked good against a certain level of opposition because his hand speed was still higher than everyone else's, but he was old and you never get any younger.

Lomachenko came out of the gates fighting big names very early on because he was at an advanced age for an amateur, and he had a decent career that was probably negatively affected by the media space for boxing. I know no one remembers anything and even remembering facts is largely dunked on vs. just saying complete nonsense, but HBO deliberately attempted at one point to try and guide a Lomachenko/Pacquiao fight into being. In the aftermath of PBC's banning from the network and Mayweather's defection to Showtime, they had nothing better for the best featherweight in the world than to go up 4 weight classes for a fantasy fight. That tells you an enormous amount about how Lomachenko's career would ever play out.

[Sweet Dick Willie]

I just watched the Salido fight again. I didn't remember he was so huge though I've seen it multiple times. And now yes, it was closer than I recalled watching it a dozen times with my Loma glasses but still I think Loma won. The size advantage, the head and the low blows were just f'ucking hideous.

[Ruthless-RKO]

[url=http://www.boxingtalk.com/Lomachenko-update-IBF-extends-his-time-for-a-mandatory-defense]IBF extends his time for a mandatory defense[/url]

On November 14, 2024, IBF lightweight champion Vasiliy Lomachenko requested and was granted a sixty-day medical extension by the IBF. That expired on January 11, 2025, pursuant to rule 5.D.3 of the IBF Rules Governing Championship Contests. On the same day, the IBF received a medical report from Dr. Nelson, N.T on behalf of Lomachenko indicating that he would be unable to compete by the date that the extension expired. Following, Lomachenko requested a [further] medical exception on January 2, 2025. The IBF Directors met and determined that Lomachenko's exception request shall be granted with the following conditions:

1. The IBF will order #2 ranked lightweight Zaur Abdulaev to immediately commence negotiations with #4 ranked Raymond Muratalla for the IBF interim title [#1 is not rated, #3 is Keyshawn Davis, who will be fighting for the WBO title next month];

2. Lomachenko must defend the IBF lightweight title against the interim champion by October 8th. If he is unable to defend the title against the interim champion by the end of the time permitted under the exception, then the interim champion shall become the champion pursuant to Rule 16.E.

3.The IBF will not grant any further requests to delay the mandatory defense.

[dempseyfire]

Nah he did legitimately lose those three fights.

There was absolutely nothing legitimate in the Salido loss. And the Haney bout was a pure robbery too. Teo won fair and square but without the injury I believe Loma beats him.

The way they treated Salido is the contreversial part imo. Amateur and pro boxing aren't the same business and loma learned that the hard way.

The Haney fight I haven't watched since it happenned but I remember it being a could've gone either way type of fight but I do need to properly score it to be sure.

Haney won clean 7-5 unless you don't count body shots, which you should.

[Ruthless-RKO]

TOP RANK UNSURE IF LOMACHENKO FIGHTS AGAIN AS IBF DEADLINES LOOM FOR LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMP

LAS VEGAS – Vasiliy Lomachenko’s commitment to continuing his career is unknown.

His career-long promoter Top Rank was in negotiations last summer with PBC for a fight between the IBF lightweight champion and WBA champ Gervonta Davis for November in Las Vegas. Lomachenko abruptly pulled the plug on talks in July and said he’d revisit discussions for a return in 2025.

Ten months have passed, and there are still no updates on whether Ukraine's Lomachenko, who turned 37 in February, will lace up the gloves again.

The three-division champion and two-time Olympic gold medalist last fought on May 12, 2024. He knocked out George Kambosos Jr. in the 11th round in Perth, Australia and won the vacant IBF title he holds.

But Lomachenko (18-3, 12 KOs) is now holding up matters for those in line waiting to fight for the sanctioning body’s title. As decisions loom for Lomachenko, Raymond Muratalla and Zaur Abdullaev will fight for the IBF interim title on a Top Rank show Saturday night in San Diego (ESPN; 10 p.m. ET).

“He’s got a decision to make,” Carl Moretti, Top Rank's vice president of boxing operations, told The Ring. “It’s by September on whether or not he’s going to fight the mandatory, which would be the winner of Muratalla-Abdullaev. And that will determine what he wants to do. It doesn’t mean that he wouldn’t fight again. It could be somebody else. The decision on fighting in general is still up in the air.

“He can do whatever he wants. He’s Loma. I don’t think he needs a title to reflect how great he is or build a promotion around. Really, the question is, does he want to fight again? We can’t worry about Loma until he decides what to do.”

An IBF spokesperson told The Ring that Lomachenko has to make a title defense by October 8.

If Lomachenko remains noncommittal during the summer, on August 8 the IBF will order negotiations to begin between Lomachenko and the winner of Muratalla-Abdullaev. They’ll then have 30 days to negotiate a deal.

It remains to be seen if Lomachenko would want to reignite talks for a tilt against Davis, who is committed to a rematch against Lamont Roach later this year.

“We were in the red zone, for sure, as far as the deal being done [for the Lomachenko-Davis fight],” Moretti said. “But Loma didn’t want to fight anybody. It had nothing to do with Tank. He wanted to take a break. I don’t know if we will ever see him or not.”

[robbydecker]

Lomachenko's ultimate failure to become one of the greatest fighters of all time is largely due to his own mistakes.
1) Lomachenko's first mistake in his career was signing with Arum during the Arum-Hamon wars. Arum was already a shit promoter and couldn't get him the unification fights that he needed. Instead of doing what was right for Loma's career, Arum just made him go up in weight, always claiming that the other fighters in the division were scared to fight him. The reality was that Arum didn't want to have 50/50 purses and wanted to make in-house fights where he made the most money. That being said, Hamon was no different, so I'm not saying he should have signed with Hamon. What Lomachenko should have done was sign with someone more neutral, like K2, and play both sides.

2) The second mistake was being overconfident and going into the Salido fight in the second fight. This is a trend with the Lomachenko family his whole career. They truly thought they were superhuman aliens and could do anything. Loma's father is an amateur boxing coach and had no experience in telling his son what to do in that fight with Salido. They clearly were in over their head. If Loma and his father had at least some humility, they would have been a lot more successful and not keep making the same mistakes.

3) Moved to 130 way too fast. Gary Russel got the WBC belt and would have wanted a rematch (they lost the chance to unify at 126). Arum could have gotten him a unification with Gradovich for IBF as well. Then Arum lost the WBA belt because Walters couldn't make weight, so Hamon's Leo SC got the WBA belt. But at 126, unification was very much possible for Lomachenko. Arum was just a shit promoter who wanted to milk money out of Loma instead of getting him unification fights that he actually wanted. Loma ended up wasting his prime at 126 because of fighting bums like Rodriguez and Koasicha. Remember when Arum got him some bum in Macao to fight who he beat with one arm?

4) Moved to 135 too fast for the same reasons as above. At 126, unification was possible, but at 130, it was basically Hamon fighters with Arum fighters. They didn't want to make fights together, so Loma was again an idiot for staying with Arum.
5) Loma ended up becoming more and more of a retarded russian-orthodox religious freak and being influenced by the Kremlin-controlled russian orthodox church in Ukraine (They tried to f*ck up Usyk mentally too, but Usyk ended up getting out of it in time because he was smarter. Loma is actually quite a dumb guy on non-boxing matters). As a result, Loma lost support from his fans in Ukraine and became isolated (nobody liked him really apart from a certain part of neutral boxing fans who didn't care about him as much once he had losses to Teo and Haney).

Even Usyk basically told him to f*ck off, and they aren't friends anymore because of Loma's unclear stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Lomachenko has become a lost soul; he has no identity. On top of that, when he lost to Teofimo, he didn't internalize it and accept it. Loma side kept saying they got robbed. But the reality is that they couldn't accept that they were beaten and that the whole image of Loma as this superhuman alien fighter was sort of gone. Loma coped in all the wrong ways.

Had to do this to make this post readable. Good post, once it's made readable.

[gilgamesh]

He may not be one of the greatest of all time in terms of Pro Boxers, but he's certainly one of the most decorated amateurs of all time, and he's on a pretty short list of Pro boxers who accomplished so much in so few Professional bouts.

Very few guys with 25 bouts or under can lay claim to the Championships and status he reached in the sport. He was a brilliant boxer.

[margaret thatcher]

fighting salido and russell within 3 pro bouts (albeit some debeat over wsb fights) was certainly something, historically ambitious start

[gilgamesh]

fighting salido and russell within 3 pro bouts (albeit some debeat over wsb fights) was certainly something, historically ambitious start

Wasn't he already a 3 weight World Champion by his 15th bout? Possibly sooner.

Pretty remarkable stuff.

[gregregegg]

Flew a bit to close to the sun a few times, so his career dosent look insanely good… but I’d rather that than him beating undefeated because he made salida loose the weight, and put a hydration clause on Haney and teo…

One thing that does and always will frustrate me is the first half of the teo fight…. When he started fighting he just looked better but he took the first 6 rounds off…

[Ruthless-RKO]

One thing that does and always will frustrate me is the first half of the teo fight…. When he started fighting he just looked better but he took the first 6 rounds off…

I just can’t get my head around it til this day. Was waiting for him to start. And every round that went by I thought, now he has a bloody mountain to climb.

Teo didn’t win that fight as much as Loma lost it.

[Ezzard]

As good as anyone I've seen in the ring. Great career. The Haney fight should hgave gone his way. It was a bad decision. The ref won the fight for Salido. But it doesn't make much difference. He was likely unotuchable at 126.

[Boxingguru75]

Loma is an all time great given his Olympic background as well. I had Teo fight a draw. Literally Teo won first six and Loma the next six. One armed in fight. I had Loma beating Haney pretty clearly in a close fight. Just did the better work and certainly was the ring general. Be fun if he comes back but after such an amazing long amateur career could also see them calling it. Always a smaller man who overcame much bigger opponents. Haney looked a good two divisions above him.

[tigermoth87]

As good as anyone I've seen in the ring. Great career. The Haney fight should hgave gone his way. It was a bad decision. The ref won the fight for Salido. But it doesn't make much difference. He was likely unotuchable at 126.

Only a retard would score that one for Haney. Ridiculous decision. But it's to be expected--Mexicans and Americans love a robbery.

Of his three defeats, three of them are robberies. Both of them in 'Murica. They tried their best to get Russell Jr against him too.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Yh I think that end up being majority decision

[giacomino]

As good as anyone I've seen in the ring. Great career. The Haney fight should hgave gone his way. It was a bad decision. The ref won the fight for Salido. But it doesn't make much difference. He was likely unotuchable at 126.

Only a retard would score that one for Haney. Ridiculous decision. But it's to be expected--Mexicans and Americans love a robbery.

Of his three defeats, three of them are robberies. Both of them in 'Murica. They tried their best to get Russell Jr against him too.

Haney was the only shit decision. Lopez beat him because Loma let him steal rounds early. I would have bet on Loma in a rematch. Salido fight could have gone either way. Robbery is the most overused term among boxing fans and there are plenty of what you would call “robberies” in the UK, Germany, Australia, and other countries. Not specific to the US or Mexico

[Ruthless-RKO]

He’s retired now

[Ruthless-RKO]

[goose 5]

To me, Loma is overrated. He wasn't Willie Pep or Sugar Ray Leonard. I hold the Teofimo Lopez bout against him because he could have won that bout. I thought Salido edged him but the weight and Salido's fouls mitigate the loss. Overall, he was excellent but not a legendary great, imo.

[Ruthless-RKO]