Jack Johnson
Battling Siki
Tiger Flowers
Barbados Joe Walcott
Joe Gans
George Dixion
Note this list only include boxers around 1900s-1920s so flyweight isn’t including since that was around 1996 which is more of a morden days boxer
Where do you rank all the first black champions pfp based on their accomplishment
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GordonChen
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Re: Where do you rank all the first black champions pfp based on their accomplishment
Barbados Joe Walcott has several victories over men much larger than him I believe. Even a few by KO.
I'd think it's either him or Joe Gans at the top. Gans likely would've had more championship success if not for his early death due to Tuberculosis.
As it is Jack Johnson clearly had the better career, but it's quite likely Joe Gans had the superior talent.
I'd think it's either him or Joe Gans at the top. Gans likely would've had more championship success if not for his early death due to Tuberculosis.
As it is Jack Johnson clearly had the better career, but it's quite likely Joe Gans had the superior talent.
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elmersalsa
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Re: Where do you rank all the first black champions pfp based on their accomplishment
Of the list above, I would rank them like these:
1. Joe Gans: the Ol' Master became the first Black American boxing world champion. One of the greatest lightweight boxers of all-time. I got him at #2 at lightweight. Gans fought over 171 fights!
2. Jack Johnson : Top 3 all-time heavyweight. Historical impact is huge when he became the first Black American boxing world champion to win the Heavyweight World Championship. Held crown for 7 years and beat the likes of Tommy Burns, Joe Jeannette, Stanley Ketchel, Jim J. Jeffries, Sam McVay and the greatest fighter of the decade, the great Sam Langford. Johnson was the first boxer to fight in 5 different decades.
3. Barbados Joe Walcott : All-time great welterweight that fought over 135 fights, not including non-decisions. Won the World Welterweight Championship crown twice. Faced guys that were stronger, bigger and taller than he. He drew with greats like Joe Gans and Sam Langford.
4. George Dixon : Of historical impact and importance, became the first black boxer to win a world title. Fighting out of Canada, fought for 20 years as a professional. Fought over 155 fights not counting non-decisions. Was 3 times Featherweight World Champion and one time World Bantamweight Champion. He fought in 23 world title fights!
5. Tiger Flowers : First Black American boxer to win the World Middleweight Crown. Often ducked by top fighters, had to fight contenders champions that were bigger, stronger and taller than he to get a decent payday. The Georgia Deacon is one of the two boxers that licked the great Harry Greb twice. He beat Greb twice for the middleweight crown. Won 118 out of 141 professional fights, even though nobody in his weight class wanted a piece of him. Dubious decision loss against the great Mickey Walker for the middleweight title.
6. Battling Siki: First Black world boxing champion from Senegal, is also the first African fighter to win a world title.
All these 6 fighters had an historic first. Very ironic.
1. Joe Gans: the Ol' Master became the first Black American boxing world champion. One of the greatest lightweight boxers of all-time. I got him at #2 at lightweight. Gans fought over 171 fights!
2. Jack Johnson : Top 3 all-time heavyweight. Historical impact is huge when he became the first Black American boxing world champion to win the Heavyweight World Championship. Held crown for 7 years and beat the likes of Tommy Burns, Joe Jeannette, Stanley Ketchel, Jim J. Jeffries, Sam McVay and the greatest fighter of the decade, the great Sam Langford. Johnson was the first boxer to fight in 5 different decades.
3. Barbados Joe Walcott : All-time great welterweight that fought over 135 fights, not including non-decisions. Won the World Welterweight Championship crown twice. Faced guys that were stronger, bigger and taller than he. He drew with greats like Joe Gans and Sam Langford.
4. George Dixon : Of historical impact and importance, became the first black boxer to win a world title. Fighting out of Canada, fought for 20 years as a professional. Fought over 155 fights not counting non-decisions. Was 3 times Featherweight World Champion and one time World Bantamweight Champion. He fought in 23 world title fights!
5. Tiger Flowers : First Black American boxer to win the World Middleweight Crown. Often ducked by top fighters, had to fight contenders champions that were bigger, stronger and taller than he to get a decent payday. The Georgia Deacon is one of the two boxers that licked the great Harry Greb twice. He beat Greb twice for the middleweight crown. Won 118 out of 141 professional fights, even though nobody in his weight class wanted a piece of him. Dubious decision loss against the great Mickey Walker for the middleweight title.
6. Battling Siki: First Black world boxing champion from Senegal, is also the first African fighter to win a world title.
All these 6 fighters had an historic first. Very ironic.
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Ambling Alp II
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Re: Where do you rank all the first black champions pfp based on their accomplishment
Interesting thread. Would rank Siki last; he is the only one that wasn't really a great fighter. Otherwise, it is hard to say.
Maybe something like
1. Gans
2. Johnson
3. Dixon
4. Walcott
5. Flowers
6. Siki
Maybe something like
1. Gans
2. Johnson
3. Dixon
4. Walcott
5. Flowers
6. Siki
Re: Where do you rank all the first black champions pfp based on their accomplishment
Gans would be top for me. He has a legit claim to be the greatest ever at 135. I think he makes everyone's top 20 p4p.
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elmersalsa
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