Jake Paul vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. | DAZN PPV - June 28, 2025

[margaret thatcher]

who was paul's best win so far, in terms of how good they were when he beat them?

anderson silva, since he beat chavez (too)?

[Sendo Takeshi]

who was paul's best win so far, in terms of how good they were when he beat them?

anderson silva, since he beat chavez (too)?

I'd say so.
Obviously both were past their prime, but Silva looked sharper and was more competetive than JCC Jr.

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Both the Tyson and Chavez fights looked fixed. Both Tyson and Chavez took the bread and won financially. Chavez almost blew it actually landing a few late on an incredibly tired Paul, who clearly can’t take any pace. No Paul is not the first manufactured guy but he has enough money to try and buy a title as well.

If people genuinely believe a 60-year-old man had to hold back against a 28-year-old, I can’t help you.
If anything, it was “fixed” in the sense that Paul had to hold back to avoid seriously hurting an old man.

And let’s not forget JCC Jr. lost to a 46-year-old Anderson Silva years ago, and Paul just beat Silva recently.

He is just fighting people he expects to beat.
You guys let your hate boner cloud basic logic.

Exactly, it's nuts to suggest that Tyson held back.

Tyson couldn't do anything, he was exhausted after 2 two minute rounds and spent the rest of the contest biting his gloves.

The fight was definitely fixed, but it was fixed in the sense that Paul didn't step it up, because he could have knocked Tyson out anytime he wanted.

[giacomino]

Both the Tyson and Chavez fights looked fixed. Both Tyson and Chavez took the bread and won financially. Chavez almost blew it actually landing a few late on an incredibly tired Paul, who clearly can’t take any pace. No Paul is not the first manufactured guy but he has enough money to try and buy a title as well.

If people genuinely believe a 60-year-old man had to hold back against a 28-year-old, I can’t help you.
If anything, it was “fixed” in the sense that Paul had to hold back to avoid seriously hurting an old man.

And let’s not forget JCC Jr. lost to a 46-year-old Anderson Silva years ago, and Paul just beat Silva recently.

He is just fighting people he expects to beat.
You guys let your hate boner cloud basic logic.

Exactly, it's nuts to suggest that Tyson held back.

Tyson couldn't do anything, he was exhausted after 2 two minute rounds and spent the rest of the contest biting his gloves.

The fight was definitely fixed, but it was fixed in the sense that Paul didn't step it up, because he could have knocked Tyson out anytime he wanted.

Probably so. Paul is a marketer and influencer, and he isn’t taking fights he has any chance of losing at this point. Not sure he ever will. People forget that other fighters, like Shumenov, who was from a wealthy family but had an excellent amateur background, did much the same thing for a decade and won alphabet belts in two weight classes. Paul will almost certainly be set up for a “vacant” alphabet belt against somebody he can beat

[margaret thatcher]

funny enough shumenov's old pals at the wba already have jp in their top 15

im curious how weak they could go for a vacant title fight

best guy paul's beaten may have been andy silva, a 47 year old faded mma fighter. tommy f@cking fury was too good for him even.

maybe they could get 54 year old firat arslan in there, a former wba champ (at least secondary)

[giacomino]

funny enough shumenov's old pals at the wba already have jp in their top 15

im curious how weak they could go for a vacant title fight

best guy paul's beaten may have been andy silva, a 47 year old faded mma fighter. tommy f@cking fury was too good for him even.

maybe they could get 54 year old firat arslan in there, a former wba champ (at least secondary)

Junior Anthony Wright - the journeyman Shumenov beat to “win” a cruiserweight “title” a decade ago is still fighting, although his last win was at 40 pounds over the limit and two recent first round KO losses may force the WBA to search for a Chilean papas farmer to be put in against Paul

[Sendo Takeshi]

What is happening?
Turki as blunt as ever.

[Sendo Takeshi]

I don't know what either one of them is thinking.
For AJ this is embarassing and for Paul this is death.
Lose-lose-situation.

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If that happens, it will be Joshua sending out a message that he's no longer serious about his boxing career and is now just chasing £££s!

Also, if it's going to be a real fight, I hope Paul has a good life insurance policy, because this could potentially a very dangerous fight for him.

[tiny_acres]

I never want to see a fighter get seriously hurt in a fight.
But I damn near want Paul to get slightly hurt so he gives up this charade as a fighter.
People on Facebook are picking Paul to Knockout Joshua.
The world is insane

[Sendo Takeshi]

I never want to see a fighter get seriously hurt in a fight.
But I damn near want Paul to get slightly hurt so he gives up this charade as a fighter.
People on Facebook are picking Paul to Knockout Joshua.
The world is insane

Why “charade”? He’s doing better than most guys who lace up gloves. He started late, built a legit resume for someone at his stage, and is clearly taking it seriously.

You don’t have to like him or pick him to beat top contenders, but pretending he's not a real fighter just makes you sound emotional, not informed.

[joshj909]

I never want to see a fighter get seriously hurt in a fight.
But I damn near want Paul to get slightly hurt so he gives up this charade as a fighter.
People on Facebook are picking Paul to Knockout Joshua.
The world is insane

Why “charade”? He’s doing better than most guys who lace up gloves. He started late, built a legit resume for someone at his stage, and is clearly taking it seriously.

You don’t have to like him or pick him to beat top contenders, but pretending he's not a real fighter just makes you sound emotional, not informed.

He's been a pro boxer for five years and has faced one active professional boxer, in a fight which he lost. His remaining opponents have been old, retired (or very inactive) or not boxers. Whilst doing this he has been saying he can beat Canelo among others. He can realistically fight almost anyone he wants because of the money he brings but he hasn't beaten anyone legitimately ever. He's also definitely on the juice and has been exposed for including clauses for his opponents to take a dive.

[Sendo Takeshi]

He's been a pro boxer for five years and has faced one active professional boxer, in a fight which he lost. His remaining opponents have been old, retired (or very inactive) or not boxers. Whilst doing this he has been saying he can beat Canelo among others. He can realistically fight almost anyone he wants because of the money he brings but he hasn't beaten anyone legitimately ever. He's also definitely on the juice and has been exposed for including clauses for his opponents to take a dive.

He has 13 pro fights and no amateur background. What exactly do you expect?

Crawford also fought journeymen in his first 15 fights. Guys with 9–6 records and worse. The difference is, Crawford had a deep amateur career. Jake started from zero, and he's already fighting higher-level opposition than most prospects do this early.

Why should Jake be held to a higher standard than someone like Bud Crawford, a P4P great?

Also, if you're going to accuse him of including "clauses for opponents to take a dive," I’d really like to see a credible source. That’s a serious claim. Back it up or don’t say it.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Paul has hired a top class lawyer now

he's gonna sue anyone who claims his fights are fixed.

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Paul has hired a top class lawyer now

he's gonna sue anyone who claims his fights are fixed.

His lawyer is going to be very busy then.

[joshj909]

He's been a pro boxer for five years and has faced one active professional boxer, in a fight which he lost. His remaining opponents have been old, retired (or very inactive) or not boxers. Whilst doing this he has been saying he can beat Canelo among others. He can realistically fight almost anyone he wants because of the money he brings but he hasn't beaten anyone legitimately ever. He's also definitely on the juice and has been exposed for including clauses for his opponents to take a dive.

He has 13 pro fights and no amateur background. What exactly do you expect?

Crawford also fought journeymen in his first 15 fights. Guys with 9–6 records and worse. The difference is, Crawford had a deep amateur career. Jake started from zero, and he's already fighting higher-level opposition than most prospects do this early.

Why should Jake be held to a higher standard than someone like Bud Crawford, a P4P great?

Also, if you're going to accuse him of including "clauses for opponents to take a dive," I’d really like to see a credible source. That’s a serious claim. Back it up or don’t say it.

Guys with 9-6 records are better than 40 year old welterweights with 0-1 records or 59 year olds

[Sendo Takeshi]

Guys with 9-6 records are better than 40 year old welterweights with 0-1 records or 59 year olds

Your serious source for fight-fixing is... a retired strongman with no boxing credibility?
Also, one google search lead me to this statement on facebook in which Eddie Hall said it was a joke and that you guys should stop hating...

https://ibb.co/VcnJfLmm


And you can't tell me all those Journeyman with with losing records Crawford fought are way better wins than JCC Jr., even if Jr. is years out of his prime.
That's just delusional. You guys let your hate defy basic logic.

[joshj909]

Guys with 9-6 records are better than 40 year old welterweights with 0-1 records or 59 year olds

Your serious source for fight-fixing is... a retired strongman with no boxing credibility?
Also, one google search lead me to this statement on facebook in which Eddie Hall said it was a joke and that you guys should stop hating...

https://ibb.co/VcnJfLmm


And you can't tell me all those Journeyman with with losing records Crawford fought are way better wins than JCC Jr., even if Jr. is years out of his prime.
That's just delusional. You guys let your hate defy basic logic.

Ok, i'll accept the mistake for not seeing Eddie Hall say it was a joke but the fact he's not got a boxing history wouldn't have made his statement less credible should he have been serious. I would have no reason to question his word.

Also, Chavez Jr is a middleweight who four years prior had lost to 1-1-0 retiree, Anderson Silva not to mention he had spent some of the time between those fights in a psych ward. You're over legitimizing that win.

[Sendo Takeshi]

Ok, i'll accept the mistake for not seeing Eddie Hall say it was a joke but the fact he's not got a boxing history wouldn't have made his statement less credible should he have been serious. I would have no reason to question his word.

Also, Chavez Jr is a middleweight who four years prior had lost to 1-1-0 retiree, Anderson Silva not to mention he had spent some of the time between those fights in a psych ward. You're over legitimizing that win.

I'm not saying Julio César Chávez Jr. is a great win, far from it. The point is: Jake Paul is facing opponents who are on par with the level that many elite fighters, including Crawford, were up against early in their careers. And Jake is doing it without any amateur background.

Canelo fought someone making their pro debut in his 10th fight and was still facing opponents with losing records until his 20th fight. That’s not unusual, it’s how most careers are built.
It also took him 37 fights to win a vacant title.

So no, JCC Jr. isn’t an amazing scalp, but he’s not worse than the average journeyman. If anything, Jake is on a very typical path, just with a much bigger spotlight on him.

[keithmoonhangover]

Ok, i'll accept the mistake for not seeing Eddie Hall say it was a joke but the fact he's not got a boxing history wouldn't have made his statement less credible should he have been serious. I would have no reason to question his word.

Also, Chavez Jr is a middleweight who four years prior had lost to 1-1-0 retiree, Anderson Silva not to mention he had spent some of the time between those fights in a psych ward. You're over legitimizing that win.

I'm not saying Julio César Chávez Jr. is a great win, far from it. The point is: Jake Paul is facing opponents who are on par with the level that many elite fighters, including Crawford, were up against early in their careers. And Jake is doing it without any amateur background.

Canelo fought someone making their pro debut in his 10th fight and was still facing opponents with losing records until his 20th fight. That’s not unusual, it’s how most careers are built.
It also took him 37 fights to win a vacant title.

So no, JCC Jr. isn’t an amazing scalp, but he’s not worse than the average journeyman. If anything, Jake is on a very typical path, just with a much bigger spotlight on him.

No, he, is, not.

[joshj909]

Ok, i'll accept the mistake for not seeing Eddie Hall say it was a joke but the fact he's not got a boxing history wouldn't have made his statement less credible should he have been serious. I would have no reason to question his word.

Also, Chavez Jr is a middleweight who four years prior had lost to 1-1-0 retiree, Anderson Silva not to mention he had spent some of the time between those fights in a psych ward. You're over legitimizing that win.

I'm not saying Julio César Chávez Jr. is a great win, far from it. The point is: Jake Paul is facing opponents who are on par with the level that many elite fighters, including Crawford, were up against early in their careers. And Jake is doing it without any amateur background.

Canelo fought someone making their pro debut in his 10th fight and was still facing opponents with losing records until his 20th fight. That’s not unusual, it’s how most careers are built.
It also took him 37 fights to win a vacant title.

So no, JCC Jr. isn’t an amazing scalp, but he’s not worse than the average journeyman. If anything, Jake is on a very typical path, just with a much bigger spotlight on him.

Canelo was 17 years old after 20 fights.

The spotlight is put on himself by claiming he's the face of boxing and can beat the likes of Usyk, Joshua and Canelo. If he was slowly getting through journeymen in the way you're suggesting then I think people would respect it but he's fighting very old men, athletes from other sports, influencers, welterweights and cherry picked opponents with rehydration clauses then demanding everyone think he's the best boxer ever at the end of it.

[giacomino]

Ok, i'll accept the mistake for not seeing Eddie Hall say it was a joke but the fact he's not got a boxing history wouldn't have made his statement less credible should he have been serious. I would have no reason to question his word.

Also, Chavez Jr is a middleweight who four years prior had lost to 1-1-0 retiree, Anderson Silva not to mention he had spent some of the time between those fights in a psych ward. You're over legitimizing that win.

I'm not saying Julio César Chávez Jr. is a great win, far from it. The point is: Jake Paul is facing opponents who are on par with the level that many elite fighters, including Crawford, were up against early in their careers. And Jake is doing it without any amateur background.

Canelo fought someone making their pro debut in his 10th fight and was still facing opponents with losing records until his 20th fight. That’s not unusual, it’s how most careers are built.
It also took him 37 fights to win a vacant title.

So no, JCC Jr. isn’t an amazing scalp, but he’s not worse than the average journeyman. If anything, Jake is on a very typical path, just with a much bigger spotlight on him.

Canelo was 17 years old after 20 fights.

The spotlight is put on himself by claiming he's the face of boxing and can beat the likes of Usyk, Joshua and Canelo. If he was slowly getting through journeymen in the way you're suggesting then I think people would respect it but he's fighting very old men, athletes from other sports, influencers, welterweights and cherry picked opponents with rehydration clauses then demanding everyone think he's the best boxer ever at the end of it.

Weird, I didn’’t find a single 58 year old who hadn’t fought in 20 years, like Tyson, among Canelo’s early opponents

[Sendo Takeshi]

Canelo was 17 years old after 20 fights.

The spotlight is put on himself by claiming he's the face of boxing and can beat the likes of Usyk, Joshua and Canelo. If he was slowly getting through journeymen in the way you're suggesting then I think people would respect it but he's fighting very old men, athletes from other sports, influencers, welterweights and cherry picked opponents with rehydration clauses then demanding everyone think he's the best boxer ever at the end of it.

You’re kind of proving my point for me.

Yes, Canelo was young, but so what? That doesn’t change the fact that Crawford and most pros spend their first 10–20 fights against journeymen, debutants, and regional-level fighters. Jake is doing the same, despite starting late and skipping the amateur system entirely.

You’re conflating two things:

1. His actual boxing career, which is relatively normal. If anything, slightly tougher than average early opposition.

2. His promotional antics, like saying he can beat Canelo or Usyk, which obviously aren’t meant to be taken literally. That’s marketing. It’s how you sell PPVs.

If you separate the showman from the fighter, you’ll see he’s doing fine, maybe even better than expected. You don’t have to like the character, but pretending the career is a joke just isn’t accurate.

[joshj909]

Canelo was 17 years old after 20 fights.

The spotlight is put on himself by claiming he's the face of boxing and can beat the likes of Usyk, Joshua and Canelo. If he was slowly getting through journeymen in the way you're suggesting then I think people would respect it but he's fighting very old men, athletes from other sports, influencers, welterweights and cherry picked opponents with rehydration clauses then demanding everyone think he's the best boxer ever at the end of it.

You’re kind of proving my point for me.

Yes, Canelo was young, but so what? That doesn’t change the fact that Crawford and most pros spend their first 10–20 fights against journeymen, debutants, and regional-level fighters. Jake is doing the same, despite starting late and skipping the amateur system entirely.

You’re conflating two things:

1. His actual boxing career, which is relatively normal. If anything, slightly tougher than average early opposition.

2. His promotional antics, like saying he can beat Canelo or Usyk, which obviously aren’t meant to be taken literally. That’s marketing. It’s how you sell PPVs.

If you separate the showman from the fighter, you’ll see he’s doing fine, maybe even better than expected. You don’t have to like the character, but pretending the career is a joke just isn’t accurate.

I think we can agree to disagree then. His opponents have mostly been atrocious and more in line with a Mark De Mori than a Crawford.

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Canelo was 17 years old after 20 fights.

The spotlight is put on himself by claiming he's the face of boxing and can beat the likes of Usyk, Joshua and Canelo. If he was slowly getting through journeymen in the way you're suggesting then I think people would respect it but he's fighting very old men, athletes from other sports, influencers, welterweights and cherry picked opponents with rehydration clauses then demanding everyone think he's the best boxer ever at the end of it.

You’re kind of proving my point for me.

No. No, he's not.