Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
One thing that marks Usyk out as an all timer is his performances in rematches.
I thought Joshua fought so much better in their rematch but Usyk beat him more convincingly.
Fury came in too heavy in the rematch but would it have mattered? Usyk controlled the fight. I had the first fight pretty even (other than the knockdown). In the rematch Usyk was always a step ahead.
And last night reminded me of Froch v Bute.
I thought Joshua fought so much better in their rematch but Usyk beat him more convincingly.
Fury came in too heavy in the rematch but would it have mattered? Usyk controlled the fight. I had the first fight pretty even (other than the knockdown). In the rematch Usyk was always a step ahead.
And last night reminded me of Froch v Bute.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
Del is the one rematch he hasn't fancied, which is understandable when you remember how difficult the first one was for him. I saw Del say In an interview this week that the fight taking place during Covid was probably the reason he didn't get the verdict. A live audience would have swayed the judges in any of the close rounds.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
There was never a need for a rematch. Wasn’t for a belt either and the result was never controversial.mickey1975 wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 10:57 Del is the one rematch he hasn't fancied, which is understandable when you remember how difficult the first one was for him. I saw Del say In an interview this week that the fight taking place during Covid was probably the reason he didn't get the verdict. A live audience would have swayed the judges in any of the close rounds.
The fight with Chizzy was to help Usyk fit in to the HW division and to tempt AJ to fight him.
He didn’t need a live audience, he had Bellew screaming loud enough.
Usyk would do to Chizzy exactly what Fury done to him.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
Is the Outuma thing a joke I don't understand?stujones wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 09:44
No Jai vs Usyk for the heavyweight title. Let’s see if Jai can do a RJJ or is he more Bob Foster. For me Foster is a great win for Ali. Despite Foster not being able to cut it at Heavy, Usyk has beaten all the main heavyweight contenders. If Jai steps up and does similar that would impact Usyks legacy a tad.
Outuma would be useful in a similar way to Lewis vs Grant. Grant was the very green fighter that was supposed to be the next big thing. The fact he didn’t come to much has been mainly attributed to Lewis and not the possibility he might have always been crap. Usyk beats up Outama, that will boost Usyk no matter what Moses does after.
Kaybel needs to beat Parker in style before he is worthy.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
Look at you stirring the pot! Del won 3 rounds tops, and Usyk was sandbagging in that one. Even Fury, who acts like an idiot but understands every trick in the book when it comes to boxing, called it out at the time.mickey1975 wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 10:57 Del is the one rematch he hasn't fancied, which is understandable when you remember how difficult the first one was for him. I saw Del say In an interview this week that the fight taking place during Covid was probably the reason he didn't get the verdict. A live audience would have swayed the judges in any of the close rounds.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
You’ve got to be joking Mickey. Chisora didn’t win a round after the third. Bellew & Coldwell’s punditry is why people think that fight was closemickey1975 wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 10:57 Del is the one rematch he hasn't fancied, which is understandable when you remember how difficult the first one was for him. I saw Del say In an interview this week that the fight taking place during Covid was probably the reason he didn't get the verdict. A live audience would have swayed the judges in any of the close rounds.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
Usyk has nothing left to prove, his legacy as an ATG is already secure.
Hey might as well fill his bank account splattering Jake Paul.
Hey might as well fill his bank account splattering Jake Paul.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
I've just caught the fight. He's got to be right up there, hasn't he? I was always worried about him being out-muscled or over-powered by the big lads of the division. It's never looked close to happening. Absolute joy to watch, every movement looks meaningful and measured.
Where do people have him now in their mythical all-time lists?
Where do people have him now in their mythical all-time lists?
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
Haven't really thought of where he'd rate all time yet, but he'd have to be Top 3 or 4 P4P since the year 2000.Lenny Cravats wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 13:25 I've just caught the fight. He's got to be right up there, hasn't he? I was always worried about him being out-muscled or over-powered by the big lads of the division. It's never looked close to happening. Absolute joy to watch, every movement looks meaningful and measured.
Where do people have him now in their mythical all-time lists?
Mayweather and Pacquiao are the only ones that I'd still definitely rate over him in that regard. He's somewhere in the mix with Canelo and Hopkins.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
Henry Armstrong is a lock for top 3 in my book.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
Usyk would batter del now. He was still feeling his way into the division.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
I'd have him Top 5 for sure on the All time list. I was talking about where Usyk rates amongst guys who have competed in this century.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
They're not talking about him rematching Chisora before rematching Fury again are they? That would mean that's 4 f*cking rematches in a goddamn row he's gonna fightjamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 13:47 Usyk would batter del now. He was still feeling his way into the division.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
One big difference and improvement Uysk has made is that he has really grown into the division
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SeanBrennan
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Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
He does not show any signs of decline either imo, he lives the life fully. Such a good ambassador for the sport, I think DDD's camp really annoyed him which showed with some spite in the ring.
I no longer push horses. I don't even look at them. Neigh problem...
I no longer push horses. I don't even look at them. Neigh problem...
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Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
Come off it.mickey1975 wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 10:57 Del is the one rematch he hasn't fancied, which is understandable when you remember how difficult the first one was for him. I saw Del say In an interview this week that the fight taking place during Covid was probably the reason he didn't get the verdict. A live audience would have swayed the judges in any of the close rounds.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
I don't want to see either fight.gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 13:49They're not talking about him rematching Chisora before rematching Fury again are they? That would mean that's 4 f*cking rematches in a goddamn row he's gonna fightjamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 13:47 Usyk would batter del now. He was still feeling his way into the division.![]()
Fury has been inactive and will have declined, I think usyk would batter him in a 3rd fight...actually hang on, bring it on, I'd love to have Fury's whining gob shut once and for all.
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
mickey1975 wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 10:57 Del is the one rematch he hasn't fancied, which is understandable when you remember how difficult the first one was for him. I saw Del say In an interview this week that the fight taking place during Covid was probably the reason he didn't get the verdict. A live audience would have swayed the judges in any of the close rounds.
Del won absolutely no more then 5 rounds, even with a live crowd influencing dodgy judges. Realistically he won 3-4. The reason Usyk, the king of the division, hasn't fancied rematching the 41 year old with 13 losses that he came close to stopping and ending up winning a wide decision against in his second heavyweight fight, is because he is busy facing the top 5 opponents rather than cherrypicking opponents he knows he will beat, like your idol.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
I didn’t realise Charles threw the towel in..
But pointless throwing it in at the 10 count.
I have seen this a number of times..
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
First time i've seen that angle , i read a few on here said he quit , i did'nt think so i thought it was a big left hand which he had no chance of recovery , but that angle does show different , he was'nt trying to get up and fight on , he was hurt and just sat till he knew it was gonna get called off , then up , no staggering he knew where he was and what he was doing , so i now agree , he quit , and whats more he will do it every time he gets hit hard , its what 3 times now , this is why i think Kayabel will destroy him , and if he can't land the hail mary on parker , Parker will outbox him easily
Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
I agree, he quit, he was doing even worse than the first fight and he quit.coneye wrote: ↑20 Jul 2025, 19:16 First time i've seen that angle , i read a few on here said he quit , i did'nt think so i thought it was a big left hand which he had no chance of recovery , but that angle does show different , he was'nt trying to get up and fight on , he was hurt and just sat till he knew it was gonna get called off , then up , no staggering he knew where he was and what he was doing , so i now agree , he quit , and whats more he will do it every time he gets hit hard , its what 3 times now , this is why i think Kayabel will destroy him , and if he can't land the hail mary on parker , Parker will outbox him easily
The stoppage was inevitable really, but it's not a coward's sport.
I'd really like the Parker fight to be remade.
But I don't think Fwank is going to put him in with anyone that dangerous until it's time to cash up. And definitely not Kabayel either.
There is still plenty of money to be made from Dubois I'm sure. Maybe he gets fed to Moses next year like Whyte is being fed to him next month.
In a division with Parker, Kabayel and for a brief time Uysk, Daniel Dubios ain't going to be a champion unless he is gifted a belt again.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
Just watched Dave Allen’s assessment on YouTube basically saying Dubois quit again. I very rarely disagree with Dave but not sure about this one - technically yeh maybe Daniel could have beat the count (although think the towel had come in anyway) but he was totally gone, would have been no benefit for anyone if he’d got up and then sparked out immediately. That final shot from Usyk was enough to discombobulate / stop anyone, no disgrace at all.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - 19 July 2025
it was technically a quit because he obviously consciously stayed down. but if dubs got up and fought on he wouldve surely been stopped very quickly after. that last knockdown was a big one that turned his whole body to jelly and he already couldnt defend himself after the first kd. so even though it's true he didnt show the fighting spirit some others have, i dont think continuing on would've helped him in any way. he would have taken more shots just to prove to some people he's not a quitter. to me it's not really the same as a guy with little heart who calls it a day just when things heat up a bit. anyone remember that dominican guy who was schooling ricky burns, then retired like as soon as burns came on just a tad?
for me all his losses are kinda the same - he defo consciously stayed down, so ya it was a quit and he's defo no gatti, but it was at a point where he had taken some big punishment and was gonna be done soon anyway.
vs hrgovic, he walked through big shots and wore him down to get the win after losing several early rounds. he was all over vs lerena but kept at it. vs joyce and usyk he took lots of shots before finally caving in. he has the heart to get though a certain level of adversity, but he seems to know when he's at his limit and doesn't try pushing past it.
for me all his losses are kinda the same - he defo consciously stayed down, so ya it was a quit and he's defo no gatti, but it was at a point where he had taken some big punishment and was gonna be done soon anyway.
vs hrgovic, he walked through big shots and wore him down to get the win after losing several early rounds. he was all over vs lerena but kept at it. vs joyce and usyk he took lots of shots before finally caving in. he has the heart to get though a certain level of adversity, but he seems to know when he's at his limit and doesn't try pushing past it.