Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - July 19, 2025

Who wins?

Poll ended at 20 Jul 2025, 03:06

Usyk - Decision
20
30%
Usyk - T/KO
39
59%
DRAW
0
No votes
Dubois - T/KO
6
9%
Dubois - Decision
1
2%
 
Total votes: 66

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Re: Oleksandr Usyk vs. Daniel Dubois II | PPV - July 19, 2025

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SportsRatings wrote: 19 Jul 2025, 22:33
Thomastearns wrote: 19 Jul 2025, 18:41 Let's see what all of those "Daniel's got to jump on him" merchants have to say now

Why were they wrong? That's literally the only scenario he could have won. A careful, technical fight always goes to Usyk decision, jumping on him was his only chance.

If they fought again I'd tell Dubois jump on him, still his only chance.
In short, what you're saying is that Dubois cannot beat Usyk.

It's not easy to jump on Usyk, people have tried and they've all failed.

He's a master of making his opponents fight his fight and gradually tires them out by making them work.

Dubois was knackered and hadn't even done 5 rounds and he's a fit 27 year old man that is bang in his prime.

Usyk is pushing 40 and they still can't beat him.
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Usyk gave Mr. 0-2 brain damage :(

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Usyk is one serious customer
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SportsRatings wrote: 20 Jul 2025, 02:06 I hope Usyk does not fight Fury or Joshua next

His last six fights are Furyx2, JoshuaX2, DuboisX2

Time for someone new. Not Chisora either wtf, how does he keep getting title shots?

Parker is the only pick.

That makes the most sense from a sporting angle.

However maybe not best from a business angle.

Hence, we saw Dubois avoid Parker and fight Usyk instead.

Since Usyk was happy to accept a unification fight, and with all the belts on the line and vastly more money on offer, how many would blame Dubois?

Boxing is primarily a business, ask anyone.
Ask Jake Paul.

As for Chisora being next, that's unlikely to happen but let's not overlook the fact that Chisora is genuinely liked by many boxing people.

Derek's persona is colourful, outspoken and unlike some others, a warrior in the ring. For example Lerena's 10 round 'performance' against Okolie last night was the unsatisfying dialled-in kind that fans don't care for. Lerena's 'fight' against Dubois also didn't do his or boxings reputation much good either.

Chisora on the other hand impressively ground out unlikely wins against Joyce and Wallin through sheer grit.

Chisora is also likely to tell it like it is, and people like Usyk prefer this 'what you see is what you get' style to the sly doublespeak that you usually see in boxing and most workplaces.

[Luke Partridge is probably boxings best example of this deceptive diarrhea where nothing he spews is believable to all but the most gullible and naive].

Derek Chisora understands all this, after all he's a friend / business associate of Fury's, but that's not his style.

Take his immediate interview after last nights fight with Secondsout for example.

"Chisora – who most feel gave Usyk his toughest heavyweight test back in 2020 – said of his countryman: ‘he quit,’ something he was accused of in Poland during their first fight.


“He quit. He quit again … Yeah, man, he quit. I don’t understand. They were supposed to train different. They did not. It was set for him to win it.”

“I tell you when he quit. He quit when he walked in the ring, because he did not use his double jab. He did not hunt the way he was hunting AJ. We came to see him go nuts. He didn’t go nuts, he was holding back. Everybody was there for Daniel, do you understand? It was his to win.”

Anyway, it should be Parker next, but it's not easy to get overexcited about a Parker v Usyk clash that might turn out be rerun of 2018s Parker v Joshua.

Usyk actually put out the question of his next opponent to the fans last night but it was difficult to gauge their reaction.

I'd prefer it if he retired but of course it's always going to be hard to say no to another potential £100 million.

As for all this disrespectful crap about Usyk possibly being amongst the greatest HWs of all time, the question of 'possibly' was surely passed a long time ago?
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Sendo Takeshi wrote: 20 Jul 2025, 07:24 Usyk gave Mr. 0-2 brain damage :(

Tyson Fury desperately trying to remain relevant whilst pretending to be retired. :doh:
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The Joshua KO had people forgetting what a genuinely bad boxer Dubois is. He's stiff, he's one-dimensional, his defense is atrocious. He beat Hrgovic by tiring him out by eating continual right hands. He also took a lot of shots vs Miller. People always over-rate punchers. Usyk proved he's in a different class.

Usyk said one more fight and again I see ZERO reason to fight any more heavyweights . . he's a cut above all of them; Parker? Kayabel? Waste of time. He beats them easy. The only match of any value is Opetai at heavyweight.

I'll also say this; Usyk is by far the best heavyweight over the age of 35 ever, and one of the best conditioned heavyweights ever at any age. It's a shame we couldn't have seen him fight in a stronger era of heavyweights.
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dempseyfire wrote: 20 Jul 2025, 11:33 The Joshua KO had people forgetting what a genuinely bad boxer Dubois is. He's stiff, he's one-dimensional, his defense is atrocious. He beat Hrgovic by tiring him out by eating continual right hands. He also took a lot of shots vs Miller. People always over-rate punchers. Usyk proved he's in a different class.

Usyk said one more fight and again I see ZERO reason to fight any more heavyweights . . he's a cut above all of them; Parker? Kayabel? Waste of time. He beats them easy. The only match of any value is Opetai at heavyweight.

I'll also say this; Usyk is by far the best heavyweight over the age of 35 ever, and one of the best conditioned heavyweights ever at any age. It's a shame we couldn't have seen him fight in a stronger era of heavyweights.
He actual beat Hrgovic due to the the two cuts above his eyes. If it wasn't for those, who knows who would've won that fight because they were both eating big shots if I remember correctly.
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Yh he knocked down AJ in round one and that fight was more or less over from there.

Then it was the case of when will it be stopped.
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dempseyfire wrote: 20 Jul 2025, 11:33 The Joshua KO had people forgetting what a genuinely bad boxer Dubois is. He's stiff, he's one-dimensional, his defense is atrocious. He beat Hrgovic by tiring him out by eating continual right hands. He also took a lot of shots vs Miller. People always over-rate punchers. Usyk proved he's in a different class.

Usyk said one more fight and again I see ZERO reason to fight any more heavyweights . . he's a cut above all of them; Parker? Kayabel? Waste of time. He beats them easy. The only match of any value is Opetai at heavyweight.

I'll also say this; Usyk is by far the best heavyweight over the age of 35 ever, and one of the best conditioned heavyweights ever at any age. It's a shame we couldn't have seen him fight in a stronger era of heavyweights.
Parker and Kabayal.

That's exactly the two opponents that I suggested, in the comments section of a recent YouTube video.

Versus Parker it'd be an exciting FireFight type of Clash.

Versus Kabayal it'd be an intriguing Chess-Match of Boxing Styles.

Either opponent would be ideal. Despite each boxer having a uniquely different style, these two are Equally interesting opponents imo.

If I could choose for Usyk, I'd go for Kabayal, and depending on the result and performance, I'd then go for Parker as Usyk's final bout. So yeah, basically, unless he loses to or struggles in victory against Kabayal, Parker as his last opponent before Usyk rides into the Sunset.

If Usyk wins against both then his Legacy will truly be a very completed one.
26-0 may sound like a very shortened carear, but it'll be a very Completed 26-0.
"Moises Otauma" will then likely become the new main face of the Heavyweight division.
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- Perhaps presciently, Usyk shares the same birthday as Muhammad Ali, foreordained to have his next and last fight in Ukraine as he has made abundantly clear?

With both Vitali and Wlad in his corner and a ceasefire agreement with Russia that might lead to further peace negotiations resulting in a final peace treaty, fingers XX... :TU:

Current pro Modern HVY record is 30-0, 17 KO that would include the impressive pro 2012/2013 Ukraine Otamans heavyweight representative at the World Series of Boxing.

Defeated Junior Fa (British Lionhearts) (3-0)
Defeated Eric Brechlin (German Eagles) (TKO-3)
Defeated Joe Joyce (British Lionhearts) (3-0)
Defeated Magomedrasul Majidov (Azerbaijan Baku Fires) (3-0)
Defeated Matteo Modugno (Italia Thunder) (TKO-2)
Defeated Mihai Nistor (Astana Arlans Kazakhstan) (3-0)

Oh, Lettuce not forget his Gold Heavy Olympic medal :TU:
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BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: 21 Jul 2025, 10:28Usyk shares the same birthday as Muhammad Ali
Same height and reach too.
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JC wrote: 21 Jul 2025, 11:50
BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: 21 Jul 2025, 10:28Usyk shares the same birthday as Muhammad Ali
Same height and reach too.


Gradually filling up to 227lbs, a full 10lbs heavier than when he fought Chisora back in late 2020, and almost 15lbs heavier than the peak Ali who fought Cleveland Williams in 1966, is it fair to say he's now finally a true HW?

Can he still be improving?

Some people think this was his best performance.

DDD is probably one of them.

Amazing.
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1636921 wrote: 22 Jul 2025, 08:55 Usyk is staking his claim as the greatest defensive heavyweight in history....some will say Ali...and I hear you...but the Ali in his 30s was easy to hit...Usyk has never been down as a pro or even really hurt...remarkable
Yes, the difference is, Ali actually had terrible technique and when he returned in the 70s, he was a little slower, a little heavier, a little more flat footed and with decreased athleticism, so took more punches as a result.

As great as Ali was, you would never teach anyone to box like him, with his hands by his waist, leaning back from punches and never punching to the body.

Usyk, by contrast, has supreme technique and his boxing skills are textbook.

If you want to learn to box, or teach someone else, you watch Usyk.
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The right fight to make in my opinion, even though Agit also deserves it.
Defend your undisputed title one time like you did at Cruiser and end your great career.
Perfect end to the story.

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Sendo Takeshi wrote: 24 Jul 2025, 10:22 The right fight to make in my opinion, even though Agit also deserves it.
Defend your undisputed title one time like you did at Cruiser and end your great career.
Perfect end to the story.

Great advert for embracing your natural teeth
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joshj909 wrote: 24 Jul 2025, 15:03
Sendo Takeshi wrote: 24 Jul 2025, 10:22 The right fight to make in my opinion, even though Agit also deserves it.
Defend your undisputed title one time like you did at Cruiser and end your great career.
Perfect end to the story.

Great advert for embracing your natural teeth
More like embracing harsh times at toilet :clap:
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joshj909 wrote: 24 Jul 2025, 15:03 Great advert for embracing your natural teeth
Didn’t even notice that :clap:
Guess that’s because I care about character, not looks.

Anyway, Mr. T doesn’t want to go through with it.
I still hope it happens (even if it's for less money).
Imagine giving Itauma the shot before Parker... Usyk vs Fury 3 would be as bad.

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"The Ring has learned"
:doh:
The Ring is the puppet for the whims of one man.
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KiwiRider wrote: 24 Jul 2025, 19:02 "The Ring has learned"
:doh:
The Ring is the puppet for the whims of one man.
They were probably in the same dining room when Turki was like, "Nah, f*ck that shit," and one of them just pulled out his phone and posted it. :clap:
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1636921 wrote: 25 Jul 2025, 07:36
Syntax Error wrote: 23 Jul 2025, 14:03
1636921 wrote: 22 Jul 2025, 08:55 Usyk is staking his claim as the greatest defensive heavyweight in history....some will say Ali...and I hear you...but the Ali in his 30s was easy to hit...Usyk has never been down as a pro or even really hurt...remarkable
Yes, the difference is, Ali actually had terrible technique and when he returned in the 70s, he was a little slower, a little heavier, a little more flat footed and with decreased athleticism, so took more punches as a result.

As great as Ali was, you would never teach anyone to box like him, with his hands by his waist, leaning back from punches and never punching to the body.

Usyk, by contrast, has supreme technique and his boxing skills are textbook.

If you want to learn to box, or teach someone else, you watch Usyk.
Great points...couldn't agree more....Usyk a true student of the game...now a master of it

True.

Muhammad Ali had that once in a lifetime freakish talent where all the stars aligned for a moment.

No one should try to copy that.


Ali was a master of divine inspiration whilst Usyk on the other hand insists he is a man of discipline.


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