How I think the HW matchups and Usyk fights should play out in the next few years

[klitoris]

So Usyk has probably about 2-3 fights left at most before he retires.

Let's be honest, nobody wants to see Usyk in a 3rd fight against AJ, Fury, or Dubois (well, except for their promoters to make them the most money, but that's obvious). He would destroy all three of them as he did in the previous two fights against each, and it's simply plain boring and not interesting (hopefully you're reading this, Turki).

So the question is, what is the ideal way to match him up with what's left in terms of legacy and just to produce solid fights?

Here would be my solution:

In my opinion, there is a pool of about three fighters that produce interest in being involved in the Usyk sweepstakes:

Kabayel
Wardley
Parker

Thus, my solution would be as follows.

1. Do the Usyk-Parker fight next. Parker is a former champion. He's been through wars and (apart from washed-up Wilder) is the only top-level fighter of that old generation that Usyk is a part of that hasn't fought Usyk. And he's on a seriously good run in his career since the Joyce KO 3 years ago. I feel like if anyone out there deserves a shot at Usyk right now, it's him. He's also the most immediate mandatory for Usyk, who probably wants to retire as the undisputed champion so he might as well get a mandatory out of the way to avoid any title stripping possibility.
What fights should be happening with the other two in the same timeline?
I would suggest that these fights happen in the meantime:
Pulev fights Wardley for the WBA.
Kabayel fights Okolie.

2. Now suppose Usyk, Kabayel and Wardley all win their fights.
I would then match Usyk with Kabayel.
And then have Wardley fight Michael Hunter (or possibly someone like Jalolov or even Dubois if Frank is up for it)

3. Then, if we suppose that Usyk and Wardley win, we get Usyk vs Wardley for Usyk's third fight.


During all this time, you can run the Fury, AJ, Dubois fights in parallel for some other good fights for HW boxing fans, but quite frankly, even the winner of some three-way round robin vs Usyk wouldn't be interesting to me since, as mentioned before, it would be a third loss vs Usyk. I suppose if Fury managed to beat both Dubois and AJ, he would be the one (if there is one to choose) who would deserve a third fight.

This seems like the most logical way to play out the last years of Usyk. All different opponents and not constant rematches, which have become quite redundant in my opinion.

[joshj909]

Based on the alphabet rankings and mandatories, we're more likely to get something like this which is not too dissimilar:

Usyk vs Parker as WBO mandatory. If Usyk decides against this for another opponent, he might get stripped and we get Parker vs Itauma.

Kabayel to defend his WBC interim belt against Okolie. Winner gets next mandatory shot at undisputed.

Wardley vs Pulev to unify the interim belt and the regular belt, with the winner being the next mandatory for the undisputed title. Alternatively, we could see Wardley vs Itauma and Pulev vs Hunter with the winner of the British fight getting the next mandatory and the regular belt staying separate.

IBF eliminator between Ajagba vs Sanchez. Winner faces Chisora for the IBF mandatory.

A loss for Usyk would likely see a rematch and I imagine more than one belt would be stripped and the belts would be immediately splintered.

[mickgw]

Look all good suggestions mate, but lets leave TYSON FURY out of the situation, the guy retires after 2 losses to USYK so if he wants to return, let him come back, beat a couple of contenders and earn his right for another title shot, Just because your name is TYSON FURY doesnt mean you should get a title shot just because you have changed your mind, Take a look at WILDER he comes back and fights a guy ranked in the 240s, he is not asking for a championship fight, As for who should fight USYK next it has to be PARKER, And the winner should fight the winner of KABAYEL vs WARDLEY >>>> Other matches that could be made to sort out the Heavyweight division would be >> HRGOVIC vs AJAGBA >>DUBOIS vs ANDERSON >> SHAW vs FRANKLIN >>ITAUMA vs SANCHEZ ( should he beat WHYTE) >>RUIZ vs HUNTER >> PULEV vs DYSCHKO >> JALOLOV vs ZHANG>> BAKOLE vs MAKHMUDOV, LENIER PERO vs HUGHIE FURY >> CHISORA vs JOYCE plenty of fights to make we dont need FATSO FURY,

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

So Usyk has probably about 2-3 fights left at most before he retires.

Let's be honest, nobody wants to see Usyk in a 3rd fight against AJ, Fury, or Dubois (well, except for their promoters to make them the most money, but that's obvious). He would destroy all three of them as he did in the previous two fights against each, and it's simply plain boring and not interesting (hopefully you're reading this, Turki).

So the question is, what is the ideal way to match him up with what's left in terms of legacy and just to produce solid fights?

Here would be my solution:

In my opinion, there is a pool of about three fighters that produce interest in being involved in the Usyk sweepstakes:

Kabayel
Wardley
Parker

Thus, my solution would be as follows.

1. Do the Usyk-Parker fight next. Parker is a former champion. He's been through wars and (apart from washed-up Wilder) is the only top-level fighter of that old generation that Usyk is a part of that hasn't fought Usyk. And he's on a seriously good run in his career since the Joyce KO 3 years ago. I feel like if anyone out there deserves a shot at Usyk right now, it's him. He's also the most immediate mandatory for Usyk, who probably wants to retire as the undisputed champion so he might as well get a mandatory out of the way to avoid any title stripping possibility.
What fights should be happening with the other two in the same timeline?
I would suggest that these fights happen in the meantime:
Pulev fights Wardley for the WBA.
Kabayel fights Okolie.

2. Now suppose Usyk, Kabayel and Wardley all win their fights.
I would then match Usyk with Kabayel.
And then have Wardley fight Michael Hunter (or possibly someone like Jalolov or even Dubois if Frank is up for it)

3. Then, if we suppose that Usyk and Wardley win, we get Usyk vs Wardley for Usyk's third fight.


During all this time, you can run the Fury, AJ, Dubois fights in parallel for some other good fights for HW boxing fans, but quite frankly, even the winner of some three-way round robin vs Usyk wouldn't be interesting to me since, as mentioned before, it would be a third loss vs Usyk. I suppose if Fury managed to beat both Dubois and AJ, he would be the one (if there is one to choose) who would deserve a third fight.

This seems like the most logical way to play out the last years of Usyk. All different opponents and not constant rematches, which have become quite redundant in my opinion.

- Boys and the rest of you Gals, Usyk says he one and done with his last in Ukraine as he approaches the 40 yr old mark, so lets not get carried away. He's a legend in his own time extending Ukrainian Hvy Dominance for near 30 years.

[robbydecker]

Usyk-Parker seems to be the finale bout for Usyk's nice little pro carear.

I don't mean that in a disrespectful way.

If Usyk wins versus Parker then that's 25-0, for Usyk, which is sufficient, especially based on who he's fought.
It's Sufficient enough to put him amongst the discussions of the top 10 HW's of the last 40-50 or so years.

Unfortunately, Usyk Did have that commonly elongated(Amongst Ukrainians, Russians, and Cubans) amateur carear.
Otherwise he'd be at around 40-45 pro bouts at the moment.
What would his pro record be in that hypothetical case scenario..?
How would've he fared versus the likes of Holmes(1978-1984 version), Cooney(1981-1982 version), or Tony Tucker or Greg Page..? Or even that 1985-1987 version of Mike Spinks..?
How would've he fared versus Mike Tyson(1986-1989 version)
And that 1990's upper tier list(Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Ibeaubuchi, Tua)
And of course those two (Well into the 2000's era) dominators(Wlad Klischko and Vitali Klischko).

[Cent0089]

Usyk vs Parker.

Joshua - Fury
Kabayel - Wardley
Anderson - Miller
Okolie - Riakporkhe
Ajagba - Sanchez 2
Bakole - Vianello
Itauma - Torrez
Wilder - Hunter

If Usyk can handle Parker he can choose some winners from those fights.

Lot of fun and action in HW division. just make the fights, simple as that

[Cent0089]

Usyk-Parker seems to be the finale bout for Usyk's nice little pro carear.

I don't mean that in a disrespectful way.

If Usyk wins versus Parker then that's 25-0, for Usyk, which is sufficient, especially based on who he's fought.
It's Sufficient enough to put him amongst the discussions of the top 10 HW's of the last 40-50 or so years.

Unfortunately, Usyk Did have that commonly elongated(Amongst Ukrainians, Russians, and Cubans) amateur carear.
Otherwise he'd be at around 40-45 pro bouts at the moment.
What would his pro record be in that hypothetical case scenario..?
How would've he fared versus the likes of Holmes(1978-1984 version), Cooney(1981-1982 version), or Tony Tucker or Greg Page..? Or even that 1985-1987 version of Mike Spinks..?
How would've he fared versus Mike Tyson(1986-1989 version)
And that 1990's upper tier list(Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Ibeaubuchi, Tua)
And of course those two (Well into the 2000's era) dominators(Wlad Klischko and Vitali Klischko).

I would favor Usyk over all of them except prime Tyson and Tua

[2108333]

Usyk-Parker seems to be the finale bout for Usyk's nice little pro carear.

I don't mean that in a disrespectful way.

If Usyk wins versus Parker then that's 25-0, for Usyk, which is sufficient, especially based on who he's fought.
It's Sufficient enough to put him amongst the discussions of the top 10 HW's of the last 40-50 or so years.

Unfortunately, Usyk Did have that commonly elongated(Amongst Ukrainians, Russians, and Cubans) amateur carear.
Otherwise he'd be at around 40-45 pro bouts at the moment.
What would his pro record be in that hypothetical case scenario..geometry dash lite?
How would've he fared versus the likes of Holmes(1978-1984 version), Cooney(1981-1982 version), or Tony Tucker or Greg Page..? Or even that 1985-1987 version of Mike Spinks..?
How would've he fared versus Mike Tyson(1986-1989 version)
And that 1990's upper tier list(Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Ibeaubuchi, Tua)
And of course those two (Well into the 2000's era) dominators(Wlad Klischko and Vitali Klischko).

To judge how good a fighter is you have to look at the quality of opponent and not just the titles. Usyk has been fed a diet of bums and therefore achieved a lot by fighting bums. To say he is a great because he achieved a lot fighting bums is ridiculous. Usyk wouldn’t beat any of the past champions. Including his countryman kiltchko,