Jaime Munguia tested positive for testosterone metabolites

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Jaime Munguia releases second statement about positive drugs test

Jaime Munguia and his team have issued another statement about his positive test for exogenous testosterone – a banned performance-enhancing drug – in testing done for his May 3 rematch win over Bruno Surace.

The Voluntary Anti-Doping Association, more commonly known as VADA, organized the testing. News of the positive test came out May 29; Munguia has since requested that his B-sample be tested to determine whether it comes up with the same result as his A-sample (it is extremely rare for a B-sample not to match an A-sample).

According to Boxing Scene’s Jake Donovan, “Munguia will have to appear before the British Boxing Board of Control, the presiding commission for the event.”

Munguia, 28, is a former junior middleweight titleholder now competing as a super middleweight. In December, in his second bout back after losing to Saul “Canelo” Alvarez in May 2024, Munguia suffered a shocking sixth-round knockout against the naturally smaller and historically lighter punching Surace.

Their rematch came in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, on the undercard of Canelo’s win over William Scull. Munguia defeated Surace via unanimous decision and moved to 45-2 (35 KOs).

On May 29, the day the news of the positive test broke, Munguia released an initial statement on social media noting that he had never tested positive at any other point in his career, was surprised at this test result, and was willing to demonstrate that he has always been a clean athlete.

On June 2, Team Munguia sent boxing media members a lengthier statement.

“Following Jaime’s initial statement, we want to provide additional clarity in response to speculation and misinformation circulating about his recent VADA test.

“First, it is important to reiterate: Jaime Munguía has never tested positive in over 100 anti-doping tests across his professional career until now. His record speaks for itself. He has always complied with VADA testing protocols and has built a reputation as a clean and respectful fighter who honors the integrity of the sport. “We ask the boxing community to remember that context before rushing to judgment.

“The test in question was one of multiple tests conducted during training camp – all others came back clean. The positive A-sample result was unexpected and deeply concerning to us.

“Exogenous testosterone – like many banned substances – can enter the body in several ways, not solely through intentional use. At this moment, we do not yet know what caused the result.

“We are rigorously reviewing every product Jaime has used, including supplements, pharmaceuticals, treatments, and anything else that could be relevant. This is a meticulous process, and we are committed to uncovering how this substance may have entered his system.”

Munguia’s positive test also led many to note that he was not the first fighter trained by Eddy Reynoso to test positive for PEDs. Canelo is foremost among them, though he argued that his positive test for clenbuterol came from that substance’s prevalence on cattle farms in Mexico.

“We also want to clarify that Eddy Reynoso serves only as Jaime’s trainer,” the second statement read. “He is not involved in Jaime’s nutrition, supplementation, or medical oversight. Likewise, no one on Canelo Alvarez’s team has any role in overseeing Jaime’s regimen or is in any way responsible for this situation. Any implication that Reynoso or anyone associated with Canelo’s team bears responsibility is entirely unfounded and unfair.

“The only person responsible for overseeing Jaime’s supplements and vitamins is Marco Antonio Perez Espinoza, who has worked with Jaime since nearly the beginning of his professional career. This is the first time Marco has ever been connected to a situation of this nature, and is fully cooperating in the current review process.”

Munguia’s second statement says they are waiting for more information – and asks boxing fans to do the same.

“We have not been informed of the exact levels detected in the initial test, which is a critical piece of information, nor have we received the result of the B-sample, which is currently pending.

“While we wait, we urge the public and the media to avoid drawing premature conclusions based on incomplete information. One thing we know for certain: Jaime is not a cheater. He did not knowingly or intentionally take anything that would violate anti-doping regulations. To suggest otherwise is not only inaccurate, but deeply unfair to a fighter who has always operated with professionalism, integrity, and respect for the sport. He has been a consistent advocate for clean boxing and has personally insisted on VADA testing throughout his career because he understands that in a contact sport, the use of performance-enhancing drugs can have serious, even dangerous, consequences.

“There have been several instances across sports where athletes have been cleared after demonstrating that contamination – whether due to human error or tainted products – was the cause, and that there was no intent to cheat. We are hopeful that a thorough review will bring similar clarity to this situation.

“We recognize that the responsibility for ensuring full VADA compliance ultimately lies with Jaime and our team. We take that responsibility seriously and are actively reviewing every detail with the utmost diligence, working alongside experts and relevant authorities, to understand what occurred and find the source of the substance detected.

“We will share updates when we have more information. In the meantime, we ask for patience, fairness, and understanding. Jaime Munguía remains committed to clean competition and will cooperate fully with this process until it is resolved.”

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Jaime Munguia present for unsealing of "B" sample for evaluation

Jaime Munguía has taken the next step to prove that he is, in fact, a clean fighter.

The former WBO 154lbs titlist and current super middleweight contender has contended that his positive drug test surrounding his May 4 win over Bruno Surace was an anomaly. Upon his request, Munguía and promoter Fernando Beltran, head of Zanfer Boxing, requested the opening and evaluation of their “B” sample from the test in question.

They were both present to witness the opening of said test sample Tuesday at Sports Medicine Research and Testing Lab (SMRTL) in Salt Lake City, Utah.

“We are present and ready as the VADA B-sample is officially open in Utah,” Beltran confirmed through a social media post where he is pictured on site with Munguía. “We hope this provides clarity.”

At present moment, Munguía, 45-2 (35 KOs) is under investigation for a drug testing sample which detected the presence of exogenous testosterone. Testing was contracted through Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) for his abovementioned rematch with France’ Surace, 26-1-2 (5 KOs) last month in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

All parties involved were notified on May 29, from which point Munguía had ten days to request the unsealing and examination of his “B” sample. The 28-year-old Tijuana native acted immediately and has remained vocal and consistent in his insistence that he did not cheat, unwillingly or otherwise.

“Jaime Munguía has never tested positive in over 100 anti-doping tests across his professional career until now,” a spokesperson for Team Munguía previously stated. “His record speaks for itself. He has always complied with VADA testing protocols and has built a reputation as a clean and respectful fighter who honors the integrity of the sport.

“We ask the boxing community to remember that context before rushing to judgment.”

Munguía fought for the first time since his stunning sixth-round knockout defeat to Surace last December 14 in his Tijuana hometown. He was well in control before he got caught in the sixth round in a verdict that was recognized by BS as the 2024 Upset of the Year.

Both sides agreed to run it back, although there was a minor issues before it landed on the Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez-William Scull undercard in Riyadh. Munguia enlisted the services of renowned trainer Eddy Reynoso, best known for his work with Alvarez, 63-2-2 (39 KOs).

The move saw Munguía become stablemates with his first career conqueror; Alvarez defeated his countryman via unanimous decision to defend his undisputed 168lbs title last May 4 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Munguía sought a new lead coach after the loss to Surace, which left him at 1-2 in his past three fights after entering 2024 with a perfect 44-0 (34 KOs) record. The balance of his team remained the same, including Marco Antonio Pérez Espinoza who oversaw Munguía’s nutrition and supplement intake – a role he’s performed for the entirety of the boxer’s career.

“This is the first time Marco has ever been connected to a situation of this nature, and is fully cooperating in the current review process,” noted Team Munguía. “We have not been informed of the exact levels detected in the initial test, which is a critical piece of information, nor have we received the result of the B-sample, which is currently pending.”

In the event that the “B” sample upholds the original result, Munguía would then have to appear before the presiding commission to determine next step. Such instances normally result in the verdict overturned to a No-Contest, while punishment varies depending on the severity of the infraction.

Munguía and those by his side remain confident that it won’t come to that.

“There have been several instances across sports where athletes have been cleared after demonstrating that contamination—whether due to human error or tainted products—was the cause, and that there was no attempt to cheat,” Team Munguía noted. “We are hopeful that a thorough review will bring similar clarity to this situation.

“We recognize that the responsibility for ensuring full VADA compliance ultimately lies with Jaime and our team. We take that responsibility seriously and are actively reviewing every detail with the utmost diligence, working alongside experts and relevant authorities, to understand what occurred and find the source of the substance detected.”

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[margaret thatcher]

man has no blueprint to beat surace

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[KiwiRider]

Sorry Jaime,
We gonna trust the scientists this time.
See you in two years

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Has there ever been a case were a boxer has had the ‘B’ sample tested and it’s come out negative?

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Munguia's B-sample comes back positive for banned substance

Former junior middleweight titleholder Jaime Munguia could face disciplinary action after his B-sample came back positive for a banned substance following his May 4 unanimous decision victory over Bruno Surace.

Munguia could see the win overturned to a no-contest and might face a suspension ranging from six months to one year.

Munguia's team maintained his innocence in a statement Tuesday, which confirmed his test returned positive for exogenous testosterone metabolites.

"We want to reiterate that this outcome does not change our position: Jaime did not knowingly or intentionally ingest any banned substance," the team said in its statement. "We remain steadfast in the belief that this result was caused by contamination, and we are continuing to take every possible step to identify the source.

"Jaime remains unwavering in his commitment to clean competition, and we will continue to work closely with experts and relevant authorities to reach full clarity."

After the initial positive test, Munguia (45-2, 35 KOs) said the findings were "a complete surprise" and formally requested that his B-sample be tested. He suggested he would be open to undergo any "retroactive, current, or future testing to demonstrate that I have always been a clean athlete."

Now that those findings are consistent with his A-sample, Munguia will await disciplinary action from the British Boxing Board of Control.

"I have spent my entire career and life doing things the right way -- and this is no exception," Munguia said in a statement. "I love boxing, and I am the first one who wants to clear everything up because boxing is my life. I can't wait to get back in the ring. We're going to prove that we never disrespected the sport, my opponents, or misled the fans."

Munguia's victory over Surace came in a rematch of their December bout, which Surace won by knockout.

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Bruno Surace on Munguia testing controversy: ‘Painful for those who fight cleanly’

There stands a great chance that Bruno Surace’s undefeated record will be restored once an official ruling is made on Jaime Munguia’s positive drug test.

Just don’t expect the Frenchman to take a victory lap.

As reported by BS, Munguia, 45-2 (35 KOs), remains under investigation for the drug testing results surrounding their May 4 rematch in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Munguia claimed a unanimous decision victory, six months after he was knocked out by France’s Surace, 26-1-2 (5 KOs), in the sixth round of their December 14 meeting in his hometown of Tijuana, Mexico.

The revenge-fueled feat by Munguia was immediately doused in controversy when it was learned that a collected sample returned adverse findings of exogenous testosterone. The unsealing and analysis of his “B” sample produced the same result.

Surace was generally silent on the subject until it became clear that Munguia is clearly at fault.

“I feel the need to speak up about recent revelations regarding Jaime Munguia's doping,” Surace said in a public statement made through his verified social media accounts. “First of all, I want to remind you that Munguia is a boxer I've long admired. He's a champion, a warrior, someone who made a mark on our sport. “When I gave him this rematch after my win in Tijuana, it wasn’t a simple choice: it was a walk of truth. I didn't want people to say I was lucky, it was an accident.

“I wanted to prove, once and for all, that I earned my place with my fists, my heart, and my work. During the whole preparation, I have put my life on the side. With my team (@coach_kayser , @yougane.n , @amazigh_abk )we worked like never before. We locked in this mission with total determination. Every day, every session, every pain had meaning: showing up 100% against one of the biggest names in boxing.”

Munguia will now have to appear before the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC), the presiding commission over the May 4 event in Riyadh.

There exists the very strong likelihood that the fight outcome will be changed to a No-Contest. Worse for Munguia is the punishment that is expected to come from the infraction. Whereas commissions in the United States are far too lenient when it comes to discipline for positive drug tests, the BBBofC caries a strict liability policy – meaning, athletes are responsible for what enters their system, unintentional or otherwise.

Meanwhile, Surace finds himself at a crossroad as he figures out his own next move.

The first fight with Munguia saw Surace move up from middleweight while on the heels of a 52-week layoff. He was decked early in their super middleweight clash intended as a hometown showcase for Munguia, who was well in the lead through five rounds.

It changed in an instant when Surace landed a monster right hand in the sixth round. Munguia hit the deck hard and was unable to gather his composure in time to avoid a stunning knockout defeat.

“I know this fight could change my life,” Surace told BS’s Tris Dixon at the time. “When I threw a punch, I kept it in mind that it could change my life, so I was 100 percent focused and motivated by that.”

Surace parlayed the career-best win into a lucrative payday from their rematch. It was originally targeted for April before talks fell apart. Plans were resurrected when Turki Alalshikh and the Riyadh Season group agreed to finance the fight, which was the co-feature to the Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez-William Scull undisputed super middleweight championship.

The initial win over Munguia saw Surace emerge as a consensus top ten contender. He dropped down towards the bottom rung following their rematch, though his previous placement could be restored once the fight outcome is overturned.

However, the damage is already done as far as he’s concerned.

“So yeah the fight [outcome] is annulled today,” noted Surace, though basing the comment on confirmation of Munguia’s drug test. “And even if the truth always comes out, that's not the outcome I came here for. That's not why I sacrificed everything. I can't rejoice in this situation because there's nothing to celebrate in it. It's sad for our sport. It is unfair to those who train with integrity. And it's painful for those who fight cleanly, honestly.
“Boxing is a tough sport. It asks for everything and sometimes gives little. But that's why we love it, too. How I feel today is great disappointment but also an even stronger desire to keep fighting for myself, for my team, for everyone who believes in fair boxing. We are now waiting for a sanction on the level of my disappointment to be passed by the competent authorities and I stand ready more than ever for what's next.”

[Oiky]

don't think theres many in elite sports who arent at it

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Jaime Munguia avoids punishment for failed drug test, eyes late-year return

Jaime Munguia convinced UKADA and the BBBofC that his failed drug test was a false positive

Despite both his A- and B-samples coming back positive for exogenous testosterone after last May’s unanimous decision over Bruno Surace in their rematch, Salvador Rodriguez reports that Jaime Munguia will receive no punishment from either UK Anti-Doping or the British Boxing Board of Control, clearing the way for a potential return in November or December.

Munguia (45-2, 35 KO) released a statement on Instagram confirming the news, adding that “the positive result was a false positive caused by accidental contamination with pregnenolone.” Per USADA, pregnenolone is used “as an anti-aging compound, for hormone replacement and to treat a myriad of medical conditions” and is not on their banned substance list. That said, they also consider “the use of any dietary supplement that claims to deliver or ‘boost’ hormones to be especially risky.”

Hence the increased testosterone, at least if you buy Munguia’s explanation. His team’s statement goes on to say that “[t]he levels detected were extremely low, provided no performance advantage, and were fully consistent with accidental exposure.”

Munguia is now clear to return to the ring as soon as he’s ready; Riyadh’s November 22nd show recently lost Subriel Matias vs Dalton Smith, so that could be somewhere to slot him in. Even with the official exoneration, though, one would expect him to have a dark cloud over him for the foreseeable future.

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British Boxing Board of Control Clears Jaime Munguía, Win Over Bruno Surace Stands

Jaime Munguía is eyeing a return at the end of 2025 — after he was cleared by the British Boxing Board of Control following a drug test from his unanimous decision victory over Bruno Surace in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, on May 3 returned an adverse finding for an exogenous testosterone, which is not naturally produced by the body.

The adverse finding came from a drug test on the day of his rematch vs. Surace. Munguía and his lawyer, Paul Greene of Global Sports Advocates, said the adverse finding was a false positive due to multiple supplements that he took on the day of the fight being contaminated with pregnenolone, a naturally occurring hormone that is not prohibited by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency and World Anti-Doping Agency.

The adverse finding was flagged by VADA, which was conducting the drug testing for the card. After it was flagged, the results were sent to the BBBofC, which was the sanctioning body that oversaw the May 3 card, and the results were then sent to the United Kingdom Anti-Doping. UKAD accepted Munguía’s explanation that pregnenolone was the cause of the adverse finding, and as a result, the BBBofC just warned him moving forward.

“The boxer’s explanation was accepted by UKAD and then advised to us,” said Robert Smith, the general secretary of the BBBofC, told The Ring. “Therefore, he was warned as to his future conduct. ... All the stuff that was supplied was looked at, and his explanation for the charge was accepted by UKAD. ... UKAD were not going to take it any further.”

As a result, Munguía’s victory over Surace will stand. The win avenged one of boxing’s biggest upsets in 2024, as Surace climbed off the canvas to win by sixth-round knockout Dec. 14. Despite splitting their two fights, Munguía (45-2, 32 KOs) of Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico, doesn’t envision a third fight against Surace (26-1-2, 5 KOs) of Marseille, Bouches-du-Rhône, France, happening.

“I think Surace is not an option anymore,” Munguía told The Ring on Sept. 10 through a translator. “We did what we had to do. I think that's a chapter that is closed, and now we are looking for other challenges, for other fighters. We'll see what can come up this year and have a big fight next year.”

Before enrolling in VADA, Greene said that Munguía declared some of the supplements he’d be taking ahead of the rematch with Surace. After the adverse finding, Munguía sent 74 items to the SMRTL Lab in Utah to be tested, which included supplements, creams, lotions, medicine, foods and hotel shampoos he had used ahead of and on the day of the rematch.

Of those items, four supplements were contaminated with pregnenolone, while none had evidence that they were contaminated with the exogenous testosterone that returned an adverse finding.

Greene cited multiple studies, including a 2014 Wang Study, to back his claim that pregnenolone could produce “false-negative or false positive results in doping tests,” while one antidoping expert who requested anonymity told The Ring that pregnenolone alone can’t cause an adverse finding in an IRMS test.

The WBC corroborated both cases, stating that there are scientific publications that Munguía’s team provided “that can be interpreted as supporting his position,” though, they added that the “Ingestion of pregnenolone is not considered a valid justification for Mr. Munguía’s adverse finding.”

The WBC is treating the adverse finding as a first offense for Munguía and placing him on probation for one year retroactive to the date of the adverse finding. He’ll be subjected to additional random drug tests, among other stipulations.

Munguía conducted multiple tests, which included blood, hair and nail tests and a polygraph test at FBI-approved offices, per a WBC newsletter that was sent Sept. 9.

The WBC later said on its website on Sept. 17 that Munguía’s primary defense was “he had unintentionally and unknowingly consumed at least four supplements which were contaminated with pregnenolone, and his unknowing ingestion of pregnenolone-contaminated supplements explained the adverse finding.”

It also stated: “The WBC Results Management considered Mr. Munguía’s defense and could not determine with reasonable certainty the ultimate causal source of the Adverse Finding.”

Munguía, 28, said the sanctioning body’s involvement in the aftermath of his adverse finding was due to his ranking by the WBC at super middleweight, though, his rematch vs. Surace wasn’t sanctioned by the group.

“My relationship with the WBC and Mauricio is really great,” Munguía said. “They've been really supportive of me. We've had a lot of meetings where we showed our scientific evidence. They wanted to make sure that everything was done the right way.

“Even though they didn't sanction the fight, they needed to see if it was going to be clear or not. So they had a process because I'm enrolled with VADA. ... I needed to prove to [the WBC], even though they were supportive, that I was innocent.”

Munguía is ranked No. 3 (WBC), No. 4 (IBF) and ninth (WBO).

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So in short....

- Jaime Munguía plans to return to boxing at the end of 2025 after being cleared by the British Boxing Board of Control (BBBofC) following an adverse drug test result from his fight against Bruno Surace on May 3.

- The adverse finding was linked to exogenous testosterone, which Munguía and his lawyer attributed to contaminated supplements containing pregnenolone, a hormone not prohibited by anti-doping agencies.

- The Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) flagged the adverse finding, which was subsequently reviewed by the BBBofC and the UK Anti-Doping (UKAD), who accepted Munguía's explanation and issued a warning rather than further sanctions.

- Munguía's victory over Surace remains intact, despite Surace having previously upset him with a knockout win in December 2024. Munguía does not foresee a third fight with Surace.

- Prior to the rematch, Munguía disclosed his supplement use to VADA and later tested 74 items, finding four contaminated with pregnenolone, but none with exogenous testosterone.

- His lawyer referenced studies indicating that pregnenolone could lead to false positives in doping tests, although the World Boxing Council (WBC) stated that ingestion of pregnenolone does not justify the adverse finding.

- The WBC has classified the adverse finding as a first offense, placing Munguía on probation for one year and subjecting him to additional random drug tests.

- Munguía underwent multiple tests, including blood, hair, nail, and a polygraph test, to support his defense.

- He maintains a strong relationship with the WBC, which has been supportive throughout the investigation, despite not sanctioning the fight against Surace.

- Munguía is currently ranked No. 3 by the WBC, No. 4 by the IBF, and No. 9 by the WBO.

[Boxerbeetle]

Just scrap drug testing for boxing, the useless authorities can’t even enforce it when they pop someone.

[tigermoth87]

The only wya to stamp it out is, after failing a drugs test, every past victory is reversed to a NC. As soon as boxers start seeing their legacy get smashed, then they will realize it's not worth the risk if they will get caught and go from 45-2 to 0-2-45 NC.

[gilgamesh]

The only wya to stamp it out is, after failing a drugs test, every past victory is reversed to a NC. As soon as boxers start seeing their legacy get smashed, then they will realize it's not worth the risk if they will get caught and go from 45-2 to 0-2-45 NC.

That would be complete nonsense though, and any sensible fan wouldn't recognize their decision to have done that. A fight happens in the ring, and can't be unfought after it's over in my opinion.

I still recognize James Toney's win over John Ruiz, and Mike Tyson's win over Andrew Golota, and many other such examples because I saw it, and that matters to me than a drug test that may or may not have been on the level.

I acknowledge a No Contest in a situation where there's a foul and a guy can't continue or an accidental headbutt cut causing a stoppage early in the bout or something like that, but if you fought a guy and beat him, and then they try to say later that you didn't. I personally call bullsh*t on that.

It's really always a matter of favoritism anyway. Some guys "fail a drug test" and get their result overturned. Some guys fail a drug test, and nothing happens.

So it's basically a system where they randomly decide to make an example out of someone they don't think is important, and then let everyone else slide.

[KiwiRider]

Juicy Munguia

[Controversial]

Just scrap drug testing for boxing, the useless authorities can’t even enforce it when they pop someone.

The trouble with that is not every fighter wants to take drugs even if they could. So they would then be forced to compete against even more juiced up opponents.

[tigermoth87]

The only wya to stamp it out is, after failing a drugs test, every past victory is reversed to a NC. As soon as boxers start seeing their legacy get smashed, then they will realize it's not worth the risk if they will get caught and go from 45-2 to 0-2-45 NC.

That would be complete nonsense though, and any sensible fan wouldn't recognize their decision to have done that.

The fans opinion doesn't mean shit. It's the official result that matters. They become 0-2-45 overnight and immediately drop down to 1,000 in the world rankings. In fifty years time, people would forget that they may have won some of those fights fairly and looking will just see "Munguia 0-2-45" and think "utter bum".

It'd be a deterrent.

[gilgamesh]

The only wya to stamp it out is, after failing a drugs test, every past victory is reversed to a NC. As soon as boxers start seeing their legacy get smashed, then they will realize it's not worth the risk if they will get caught and go from 45-2 to 0-2-45 NC.

That would be complete nonsense though, and any sensible fan wouldn't recognize their decision to have done that.

The fans opinion doesn't mean shit. It's the official result that matters. They become 0-2-45 overnight and immediately drop down to 1,000 in the world rankings. In fifty years time, people would forget that they may have won some of those fights fairly and looking will just see "Munguia 0-2-45" and think "utter bum".

It'd be a deterrent.

The fines are the biggest deterrent. I don't recall any fighter that ever had a result turned to a No Contest over a failed test ever losing much popularity over it.

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Maybe they should include the failed result in their record

35-2-1 (1 failed drug test)

[tigermoth87]

That would be complete nonsense though, and any sensible fan wouldn't recognize their decision to have done that.

The fans opinion doesn't mean shit. It's the official result that matters. They become 0-2-45 overnight and immediately drop down to 1,000 in the world rankings. In fifty years time, people would forget that they may have won some of those fights fairly and looking will just see "Munguia 0-2-45" and think "utter bum".

It'd be a deterrent.

The fines are the biggest deterrent. I don't recall any fighter that ever had a result turned to a No Contest over a failed test ever losing much popularity over it.

Because they just had one match turned to a NC. Change every one to a NC and their legacy is gone. They are no longer the 37-2 champion who beat the best in the history books. They are now the 0-2-37 guy whose title was revoked and retired with zero wins.

[gilgamesh]

The fans opinion doesn't mean shit. It's the official result that matters. They become 0-2-45 overnight and immediately drop down to 1,000 in the world rankings. In fifty years time, people would forget that they may have won some of those fights fairly and looking will just see "Munguia 0-2-45" and think "utter bum".

It'd be a deterrent.

The fines are the biggest deterrent. I don't recall any fighter that ever had a result turned to a No Contest over a failed test ever losing much popularity over it.

Because they just had one match turned to a NC. Change every one to a NC and their legacy is gone. They are no longer the 37-2 champion who beat the best in the history books. They are now the 0-2-37 guy whose title was revoked and retired with zero wins.

Again though. You're assuming everyone adheres to your opinion on this matter.

They could change every result to a No Contest if they wanted, and I'm sure there would be a small sub-section of diligent Boxing fans who would quickly take to the internet to set the record straight about how many wins this guy in fact had.

If anything you might make the guy even more of a legend by trying to screw him over

[tigermoth87]

The fines are the biggest deterrent. I don't recall any fighter that ever had a result turned to a No Contest over a failed test ever losing much popularity over it.

Because they just had one match turned to a NC. Change every one to a NC and their legacy is gone. They are no longer the 37-2 champion who beat the best in the history books. They are now the 0-2-37 guy whose title was revoked and retired with zero wins.

Again though. You're assuming everyone adheres to your opinion on this matter.

They could change every result to a No Contest if they wanted, and I'm sure there would be a small sub-section of diligent Boxing fans who would quickly take to the internet to set the record straight about how many wins this guy in fact had.

If anything you might make the guy even more of a legend by trying to screw him over

But nobody cares what the internet nerds would say. Most boxing fans aren't on the internet and just watch whichever fights are between the best.

If they see a guy who is now 0-2-27, they are gonna think "bum" and not bother watching.

[gilgamesh]

Because they just had one match turned to a NC. Change every one to a NC and their legacy is gone. They are no longer the 37-2 champion who beat the best in the history books. They are now the 0-2-37 guy whose title was revoked and retired with zero wins.

Again though. You're assuming everyone adheres to your opinion on this matter.

They could change every result to a No Contest if they wanted, and I'm sure there would be a small sub-section of diligent Boxing fans who would quickly take to the internet to set the record straight about how many wins this guy in fact had.

If anything you might make the guy even more of a legend by trying to screw him over

But nobody cares what the internet nerds would say. Most boxing fans aren't on the internet and just watch whichever fights are between the best.

If they see a guy who is now 0-2-27, they are gonna think "bum" and not bother watching.

And if they saw any of the fights where he acquired that record they'll say "What the f*ck are they talking about? He knocked out that guy. I saw it."