Middleweights: Roy Jones Jr vs Marvin Hagler

[ringsider]

Here we are again with the Hagler nut huggers talking stupid again. Hagler's slow plodding ass would never get near Jones. Hagler would be lucky to get near Jones, let a lone be able to hit him. Jones sure never stood and fought anyone, why would he do it with Hagler. Jones by a wide UD, basically no contest in the boxing skills department.

[ringsider]

You need to watch a Marvin Hagler fight from before his title reign...and blah,blah,blah.....

Hagler was a plodder from the beginning. Hell look how silly a washed up Sugar Ray made him look. Jones in his prime vs. Hagler. Jones would give Hagler a boxing lesson he would never forget. Hagler was just too slow and one dimensional to get to Roy Jones in his prime. Hagler made a career fighting fat welters and LMW. RJJ a legit MW would have made Hagler look silly.

[Ambling Alp]

Does anyone really believe that Jones would have ever taken this fight?

[elmersalsa]

The more I read these threads and the more I see the videos of the two greats, I lean on Hagler. I cannot see Jones beat a guy so strong and talented like the Marvelous one.

[barry]

An over-trained Toney and a green Hopkins...Hopkins green...at 28, or 29 years old...maybe someone who never had a pro fight in his life and was in maybe his 10 pro fight, but hopkins had a pretty good amateur career before turning pro and had been pro over five years when he fought Jones...yet he was green...get real! And James Toney has never been over-trained in his career...when he could no longer make a weight he simply moved on to the next division, until reaching the butter-ball physique he now posses, but he has never been over-trained...except maybe at a all-you-can-eat buffet!

[silkov]

How about commenting on a certain document that has turned on the Jones thread Baz???. :P ... you dont seem to have so much to say on the subject now?. For someone with so many mags I'm surprised you didnt have a copy of your own!....

[barry]

What...the thread that you did not have the ability to produce...that thread someone else produced for you...the same one that anybody with any sense can download from the IBF all by themselves...that is...those that have sense enough to figure it out. I've said plenty about it and plenty about all your whining and crying in the thread also...check it out

Also...if you continue to stretch the nonsense to other threads...as you usually do then I'm going to delete it...do all of your whining in the thread alloted for you and quit ruining decent debates in other threads!!!

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Does anyone really believe that Jones would have ever taken this fight?

Probably not.

He may have taken it, if he could have fought in Florida, but that's about it!!!

[barry]

>>>Does anyone really believe that Jones would have ever taken this fight?<<<


Jones never dodged any one...why would he start with Hagler?

[silkov]

Hagler would have scared Jones to death... if they fought a prime Hagler would have been too strong and would probably stop Jones late... but had they fought at the same time Jones would have found a way to avoid the fight, even jumping divisions... he wouldnt want to tangle with Marvin...

[Seamus]

I picked Hagler to win, but in Jones defense, exactly who did he ever duck ? The only thing I ever remember Jones saying in an interview, when as LHW champion he stated that he would fight Dariusz Michalczewski, BUT not in Germany.

[silkov]

I picked Hagler to win, but in Jones defense, exactly who did he ever duck ? The only thing I ever remember Jones saying in an interview, when as LHW champion he stated that he would fight Dariusz Michalczewski, BUT not in Germany.

How about Eubank, Benn, Collins???.... and who did he exactly fight at 160??...

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>>>Does anyone really believe that Jones would have ever taken this fight?<<<


Jones never dodged any one...why would he start with Hagler?

What about Lennox Lewis?

He wanted to be HW champ, but went after pitiful Ruiz, instead of the monstrous linear champ Lewis.

[barry]

>>>Hagler would have scared Jones to death<<<<


HAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You're accidentally thinking of Joe Calzaghe instead of Jones as that fits his modus operandi to a tee!

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>>>Hagler would have scared Jones to death<<<<


HAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You're accidentally thinking of Joe Calzaghe instead of Jones as that fits his modus operandi to a tee!

They're both as bad as each other.

They're both 'homies'!

Calzaghe doesn't like fighting outside of Wales & you'd be hard pressed to get Jones out of Florida yet alone the USA.

So much for being WORLD champions!!!!

[Collins2000]

You need to watch a Marvin Hagler fight from before his title reign...and blah,blah,blah.....

Hagler was a plodder from the beginning. Hell look how silly a washed up Sugar Ray made him look. Jones in his prime vs. Hagler. Jones would give Hagler a boxing lesson he would never forget. Hagler was just too slow and one dimensional to get to Roy Jones in his prime. Hagler made a career fighting fat welters and LMW. RJJ a legit MW would have made Hagler look silly.

No doubt you are attempting to be humourous but this 'plodder' stuff is ridiculous.

I have never heard anyone make that or a similar statement regarding a prime Hagler.

Except you.

Now just because you are the only one doesn't neccesarily mean you are wrong but it does give pause for thought.

Apart from the Leonard fight and possibly portions of Antuerfermo (1) which of his other 65 fights lead you to assessing Hagler as simply a plodder?

[BoxBuzz]

>>>Hagler would have scared Jones to death<<<<


HAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You're accidentally thinking of Joe Calzaghe instead of Jones as that fits his modus operandi to a tee!

They're both as bad as each other.

They're both 'homies'!

Calzaghe doesn't like fighting outside of Wales & you'd be hard pressed to get Jones out of Florida yet alone the USA.

So much for being WORLD champions!!!!

Joe Calzaghe is afraid of his own shadow. He's fought how many alphabet champions in his career? One?!?!?! Jones fought 10 or 15 from 160 to heavyweight.

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Joe's fear is the very reason Sven Ottke retired. The Great champion Ottke ran through every credible challenger there was and when Joe refused to hand over the belts....well Sven was so dissapointed he felt no reason to go on. Joe has single handedly sent many other fighters into retirement for similar reasons.


Ok I promised never to say another bad thing about Joe again based on my disgraceful predictions regarding....well you know.

But in this case I was able to say nice things about him in ways that are creative so I don't think I have compromised my oath in any way. I was also able to get in a slam at Ottke in the same paragraph.....so I'm feelin I've accomplished something here today.

[kick asner]

You need to watch a Marvin Hagler fight from before his title reign...and blah,blah,blah.....

Hagler was a plodder from the beginning. Hell look how silly a washed up Sugar Ray made him look. Jones in his prime vs. Hagler. Jones would give Hagler a boxing lesson he would never forget. Hagler was just too slow and one dimensional to get to Roy Jones in his prime. Hagler made a career fighting fat welters and LMW. RJJ a legit MW would have made Hagler look silly.

No doubt you are attempting to be humourous but this 'plodder' stuff is ridiculous.

I have never heard anyone make that or a similar statement regarding a prime Hagler.

Except you.

Now just because you are the only one doesn't neccesarily mean you are wrong but it does give pause for thought.

Apart from the Leonard fight and possibly portions of Antuerfermo (1) which of his other 65 fights lead you to assessing Hagler as simply a plodder?

Their was a guy named Granberry who used to post in this forum not to long ago who would say the same exact kind of stuff.

[ringsider]

Let's see...Hamsho, Mugabi.....Duran he was sickeningly plodding. All his fights...just watch him. He can't move for shit. His plodding, trip over his own feet style is just hard to watch. Talk about a fighter with NO foot work....

That is why I believe RJJ would beat Hagler easily. Hagler could never catch a prime RJJ. I am not saying RJJ is that great, but he has the style to beat and frustrate Hagler to no end. RJJ also has the skill to go with his style. Hagler can not adapt and could not adapt. If you don't stand in front of Hagler, he could not hit you. RJJ would not stand, and Hagler would be lucky to connect with a jab......

[silkov]

Let's see...Hamsho, Mugabi.....Duran he was sickeningly plodding. All his fights...just watch him. He can't move for shit. His plodding, trip over his own feet style is just hard to watch. Talk about a fighter with NO foot work....

That is why I believe RJJ would beat Hagler easily. Hagler could never catch a prime RJJ. I am not saying RJJ is that great, but he has the style to beat and frustrate Hagler to no end. RJJ also has the skill to go with his style. Hagler can not adapt and could not adapt. If you don't stand in front of Hagler, he could not hit you. RJJ would not stand, and Hagler would be lucky to connect with a jab......

Yawn!... your act is getting rather boring mate...

[BoxBuzz]

Let's see...Hamsho, Mugabi.....Duran he was sickeningly plodding. All his fights...just watch him. He can't move for shit. His plodding, trip over his own feet style is just hard to watch. Talk about a fighter with NO foot work....

That is why I believe RJJ would beat Hagler easily. Hagler could never catch a prime RJJ. I am not saying RJJ is that great, but he has the style to beat and frustrate Hagler to no end. RJJ also has the skill to go with his style. Hagler can not adapt and could not adapt. If you don't stand in front of Hagler, he could not hit you. RJJ would not stand, and Hagler would be lucky to connect with a jab......

Yawn!... your act is getting rather boring mate...

It's a bit hard to interpret but I think he's saying that Hagler is very plodding and this can be shown by watching his fights with Hamsho, Mugabi and Duran....Not that those three were also plodding.

I would agree that Hagler was not "as fleet footed as...(you fill in the blank here)" but I'm not sure that it worked to his disadvantage all the time. He was always "set to deliver". He seemed to always be aware of where his opponents feet were and wanted to claim the advantage. So his "fleet footedness" was traded for "sure footedeness" and sometimes that's a net gain and sometimes not. All in all I'd say it's a neutral aspect.

Ringsider....I get into it with the folks who think Hagler could beat Monzon and I suppose you might consider Monzon a plodder as well. But both of these plodders though certainly challenged by Roy would come out on top of the fleet footed Jones in my estimation.

Monzon because he would have figured out by the 5th round what took Tarver a lifetime of study to figure out. And Hagler because I think he would put the kind of pressure on Roy that he would not be able to deal with.....Hagler would not need to "figure it out" like Tarver and Monzon...he was already built that way.

I will go so far as to say that if Hagler did not have it going his way by the 5th round and could not put the "critical threshold" of pressure on Roy by then to take him out of his game that in fact Roy would win a lop sided decision. But I think this would be Scenario B not Scenario A.....the less likely outcome if you will.

[silkov]

Let's see...Hamsho, Mugabi.....Duran he was sickeningly plodding. All his fights...just watch him. He can't move for shit. His plodding, trip over his own feet style is just hard to watch. Talk about a fighter with NO foot work....

That is why I believe RJJ would beat Hagler easily. Hagler could never catch a prime RJJ. I am not saying RJJ is that great, but he has the style to beat and frustrate Hagler to no end. RJJ also has the skill to go with his style. Hagler can not adapt and could not adapt. If you don't stand in front of Hagler, he could not hit you. RJJ would not stand, and Hagler would be lucky to connect with a jab......

Yawn!... your act is getting rather boring mate...

It's a bit hard to interpret but I think he's saying that Hagler is very plodding and this can be shown by watching his fights with Hamsho, Mugabi and Duran....Not that those three were also plodding.

I would agree that Hagler was not "as fleet footed as...(you fill in the blank here)" but I'm not sure that it worked to his disadvantage all the time. He was always "set to deliver". He seemed to always be aware of where his opponents feet were and wanted to claim the advantage. So his "fleet footedness" was traded for "sure footedeness" and sometimes that's a net gain and sometimes not. All in all I'd say it's a neutral aspect.

Ringsider....I get into it with the folks who think Hagler could beat Monzon and I suppose you might consider Monzon a plodder as well. But both of these plodders though certainly challenged by Roy would come out on top of the fleet footed Jones in my estimation.

Monzon because he would have figured out by the 5th round what took Tarver a lifetime of study to figure out. And Hagler because I think he would put the kind of pressure on Roy that he would not be able to deal with.....Hagler would not need to "figure it out" like Tarver and Monzon...he was already built that way.

I will go so far as to say that if Hagler did not have it going his way by the 5th round and could not put the "critical threshold" of pressure on Roy by then to take him out of his game that in fact Roy would win a lop sided decision. But I think this would be Scenario B not Scenario A.....the less likely outcome if you will.

Hagler would be onto Roy like a rash... to call Hagler a plodder in his prime is simply silly... Roy never had the best of chins, hence his great need for speed!... and he simply wouldnt be able to keep Marvin off him... Hagler by ko in about 10 imo

[ringsider]

Delusional Hagler nut huggers. Geesh look at how Sugar Ray beat him....by boxing, his foor work. Hagler just plodded around following Ray. With Jones in his prime it would have been worse. Hagler ain't catching anyone in a boxing match, where foot work counts.....he was just aweful in that department.

[Collins2000]

Delusional Hagler nut huggers. Geesh look at how Sugar Ray beat him....by boxing, his foor work. Hagler just plodded around following Ray. With Jones in his prime it would have been worse. Hagler ain't catching anyone in a boxing match, where foot work counts.....he was just aweful in that department.

Yawn.

If you were to remove your head from your anus when viewing boxing you might get a clearer picture.

[sockdolager]

Delusional Hagler nut huggers. Geesh look at how Sugar Ray beat him....by boxing, his foor work. Hagler just plodded around following Ray. With Jones in his prime it would have been worse. Hagler ain't catching anyone in a boxing match, where foot work counts.....he was just aweful in that department.

Yawn.

If you were to remove your head from your anus when viewing boxing you might get a clearer picture.

yes like the picture where Leonard refused to fight Hagler until he was past his best, knowing damn well that Marvin had to follow him all over the place. And looked what happened...SRL squeeked out a SD while you make it seem as though he dominated Hagler like Calzaghe did Lacy. Had Hagler been a few years younger like when he was calling out SRL I think the outcome would have been a bit different. I take nothin away from Leonards game plan and execution because he did what he had to do, he just did it to an old Marvelous one. Your claims of Hagler being a plodder are rediculous, watch his fight with Hearns and see how quick Hagler can cut down an opponent. He finds the guys sooner or later and usually won when he did.