Brown will have to modify his style when he passes British level, but until then he's good to watch and lets his hands go.
He did get clipped a few times when unloading, but on the plus side he still looked comfortable and didn't budge.
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But that could also be down to the level of opposition.
How many times have we seen a fighter, early on in his career, be all balls to the wall only to change as the quality of opposition goes up?
He fought at Amateur at a decent level. I never saw any of those bouts, but you need to have a certain level of nous to compete there.
How many times have we seen a fighter, early on in his career, be all balls to the wall only to change as the quality of opposition goes up?
He fought at Amateur at a decent level. I never saw any of those bouts, but you need to have a certain level of nous to compete there.
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Re: Pat Brown
Is Brown gonna even do the British, comm, euro?
I doubt it, he’s gonna be fast tracked by looks of it,
I mean he’s doing 8-10 rounders. He could pick them up along the way,
They likely go for a regional continental title and get him ranked quick
I doubt it, he’s gonna be fast tracked by looks of it,
I mean he’s doing 8-10 rounders. He could pick them up along the way,
They likely go for a regional continental title and get him ranked quick
Re: Pat Brown
I hear you, but the fact Moore is expressing concern over it tells you something. We've also seen plenty of fighters get ingrained bad habits that cost them at a higher level and falling in love with their own power is one of the most common.Taansend wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025, 23:20 But that could also be down to the level of opposition.
How many times have we seen a fighter, early on in his career, be all balls to the wall only to change as the quality of opposition goes up?
He fought at Amateur at a decent level. I never saw any of those bouts, but you need to have a certain level of nous to compete there.
To be clear, I'm a big fan and hope he goes all the way, but when you've got world-class power like him, it can be very seductive and hard to resist getting into gunfights.
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Re: Pat Brown
The UK needs new stars and Pat Brown, if he can tighten up his defence, can certainly be in the mix. He looks a big cruiser too
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At very least it will be a fun ride
Looks a good fighter to me, let's also see if his power will move up against better fighters too
Looks a good fighter to me, let's also see if his power will move up against better fighters too
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Re: Pat Brown
Pat Brown targets English title after 'unbelievable' experience in Orlando
Five days ago, cruiserweight Pat Brown won the fifth fight of his professional career, stopping Felix Valera inside just two rounds. Perhaps the only thing more impressive than the performance itself was the fact that for Brown this fight with Valera, a former WBA “interim” champion at light-heavyweight, was his fifth in just seven months. That, at a time when many prospects act like champions and take extended breaks, is not only unusual in 2025 but a testament to the Mancunian’s drive and ambition.
Indeed, if you were not sold on the 25-year-old’s ambition beforehand, the sight of him travelling to Orlando, Florida to finish the year should have been a sign that this is no ordinary prospect. Instead, Brown is being moved at a breakneck pace by both his coach, Jamie Moore, and his promoter, Eddie Hearn, and is already being showcased in America with the view to one day fighting there in more meaningful fights.
He has that kind of potential, you see. Last week’s trip to Orlando was just the start. It was, for those who know what they are looking at, no more than a taster – a sign of things to come.
“It was unbelievable, to be honest,” said Moore, reflecting on their time in Orlando. “It’s a really nice resort and the fight week itself was nothing like the fight weeks we’ve [Moore and his other fighters] had in the past – in Vegas, or in New York. Last week we found that the resort was a real holiday-type resort. There were a lot of kids there going to Disney World and stuff like that.
“But in many ways I think that helped Pat. He had a lot of pressure on his shoulders for someone who is still early into his professional career. Suddenly there is a lot of expectation on him to perform and that, combined with the expectation he puts on himself, is a lot for someone his age. I think in a way it helped that the setting wasn’t predominantly ‘boxing’. There were other things going on, which made for a nice distraction for him when boxing for the first time in America. It was a bit more laidback in Orlando – it wasn’t as intense as it has been in Vegas or New York, for instance.
“But you’ve still got the same experience in terms of the commissions and the fight itself, so it’s good to now have that box ticked before he’s asked to go over there in a bigger fight. He’s already walked that path. But the rest of the stuff – the pressure, the expectation – he didn’t have to deal with. It was the best of both worlds, really.”
Certainly, if one was to judge Brown’s mood by his performance, words like composed, relaxed and focused would immediately spring to mind. There was no tension, either in his body or during his attempt to finish Varela, and everything, as often it does whenever Brown smells blood, seemed to flow naturally, seamlessly. He didn’t have to force anything, nor did he have to go looking for a wounded animal. He just did what he has been programmed to do – and quickly.
“The first shot he hit him [Varela] with didn’t really catch him clean, it landed high behind his ear, but I saw how he reacted to it and I thought, God, this is going to go quick,” said Moore. “Never in a million years, though, did I think it would go that quick.”
Afterwards Brown used his post-fight interview to pay tribute to his father, Mike, whose dedication to his son’s passion growing up is currently paying dividends with his boy now a man. Last week, for example, was the first time Brown’s father had ever flown business class and that, Brown said, was the least he deserved for all the years his father spent ferrying him back and forth to the boxing gym and various fight venues.
“I’ve known his dad for a long time, but it was great to be out there with him and get to know him on a deeper level,” said Moore. “I had some really long conversations with him. We would meet up every morning and have a coffee before everybody else got out of bed. We would sit there in the hotel lobby and put the world to rights for a couple of hours.
“He was telling me that he had only ever been on holiday to Spain before, so he was over the moon that Pat is now in a position to take him over there and show him another part of the world. He just loved being able to share the experience with him. He was absolutely in his element out there. It was great to see.”
As for what comes next for Brown, the message is clear: a rest, then titles. But still, there is no rush. Given his frantic and thrilling start to life as a pro, perhaps the best thing now is to take the foot off the pedal ever so slightly and allow everybody, including Brown himself, to calm down a bit. After all, it doesn’t take long to burn out in this sport, nor, in the case of Pat Brown, will it take long for people to get carried away or ahead of themselves. Already, in fact, some are labelling Brown, 5-0 (5 KOs), the most exciting prospect to emerge in the UK this year and one can sense the urgency to now put him in tougher tests, with titles on the line.
“When he turned over,” said Moore, “he had a good chat with Eddie [Hearn] and he said, ‘I don’t want to be one of these guys who is fighting every four months. I want to be really active right up until I start fighting for titles.’ He understands the importance of having a break in between [title fights] and getting the right amount of rest, because the camps are so long. But he wants to be active and that won’t change. For the first year or so he was adamant that he was going to be active and, fair play to Eddie, he has stuck to his word and kept him really busy.”
Moore, a former British, Commonwealth and European champion in his own right, then revealed: “Moving forward, I think we’re going to be moving towards title fights. We’re probably looking at the winner of [John] Hedges and [Ellis] Zorro for the English title. [Hedges and Zorro fight in London on December 17.] So the activity will probably drop a little bit next year, but he’ll certainly be out again four or five times in 2026.
“We’re going to sit back now and just wait for the outcome of Hedges and Zorro and I think the break will be good for him. It will be good for him mentally as much as physically. I think he needs a break. It’s been a hectic schedule up to now and he has received a lot of attention. That brings massive lifestyle changes, in terms of going from being unknown to having everyone patting you on the back and congratulating you. It’s a lot. It’s a lot for anyone to take on and it’s a lot for a fighter to take on in their first year as a pro. So, yeah, he’ll have a little bit of a break now – have a holiday, enjoy Christmas – and we’ll then look to get him out again in the middle or end of March.”
Such is the impression Pat Brown has managed to make in 2025, he need not fear being forgotten. If he wants to take some time off to reflect and recharge, let him. We will all be waiting for his return in the new year.
Five days ago, cruiserweight Pat Brown won the fifth fight of his professional career, stopping Felix Valera inside just two rounds. Perhaps the only thing more impressive than the performance itself was the fact that for Brown this fight with Valera, a former WBA “interim” champion at light-heavyweight, was his fifth in just seven months. That, at a time when many prospects act like champions and take extended breaks, is not only unusual in 2025 but a testament to the Mancunian’s drive and ambition.
Indeed, if you were not sold on the 25-year-old’s ambition beforehand, the sight of him travelling to Orlando, Florida to finish the year should have been a sign that this is no ordinary prospect. Instead, Brown is being moved at a breakneck pace by both his coach, Jamie Moore, and his promoter, Eddie Hearn, and is already being showcased in America with the view to one day fighting there in more meaningful fights.
He has that kind of potential, you see. Last week’s trip to Orlando was just the start. It was, for those who know what they are looking at, no more than a taster – a sign of things to come.
“It was unbelievable, to be honest,” said Moore, reflecting on their time in Orlando. “It’s a really nice resort and the fight week itself was nothing like the fight weeks we’ve [Moore and his other fighters] had in the past – in Vegas, or in New York. Last week we found that the resort was a real holiday-type resort. There were a lot of kids there going to Disney World and stuff like that.
“But in many ways I think that helped Pat. He had a lot of pressure on his shoulders for someone who is still early into his professional career. Suddenly there is a lot of expectation on him to perform and that, combined with the expectation he puts on himself, is a lot for someone his age. I think in a way it helped that the setting wasn’t predominantly ‘boxing’. There were other things going on, which made for a nice distraction for him when boxing for the first time in America. It was a bit more laidback in Orlando – it wasn’t as intense as it has been in Vegas or New York, for instance.
“But you’ve still got the same experience in terms of the commissions and the fight itself, so it’s good to now have that box ticked before he’s asked to go over there in a bigger fight. He’s already walked that path. But the rest of the stuff – the pressure, the expectation – he didn’t have to deal with. It was the best of both worlds, really.”
Certainly, if one was to judge Brown’s mood by his performance, words like composed, relaxed and focused would immediately spring to mind. There was no tension, either in his body or during his attempt to finish Varela, and everything, as often it does whenever Brown smells blood, seemed to flow naturally, seamlessly. He didn’t have to force anything, nor did he have to go looking for a wounded animal. He just did what he has been programmed to do – and quickly.
“The first shot he hit him [Varela] with didn’t really catch him clean, it landed high behind his ear, but I saw how he reacted to it and I thought, God, this is going to go quick,” said Moore. “Never in a million years, though, did I think it would go that quick.”
Afterwards Brown used his post-fight interview to pay tribute to his father, Mike, whose dedication to his son’s passion growing up is currently paying dividends with his boy now a man. Last week, for example, was the first time Brown’s father had ever flown business class and that, Brown said, was the least he deserved for all the years his father spent ferrying him back and forth to the boxing gym and various fight venues.
“I’ve known his dad for a long time, but it was great to be out there with him and get to know him on a deeper level,” said Moore. “I had some really long conversations with him. We would meet up every morning and have a coffee before everybody else got out of bed. We would sit there in the hotel lobby and put the world to rights for a couple of hours.
“He was telling me that he had only ever been on holiday to Spain before, so he was over the moon that Pat is now in a position to take him over there and show him another part of the world. He just loved being able to share the experience with him. He was absolutely in his element out there. It was great to see.”
As for what comes next for Brown, the message is clear: a rest, then titles. But still, there is no rush. Given his frantic and thrilling start to life as a pro, perhaps the best thing now is to take the foot off the pedal ever so slightly and allow everybody, including Brown himself, to calm down a bit. After all, it doesn’t take long to burn out in this sport, nor, in the case of Pat Brown, will it take long for people to get carried away or ahead of themselves. Already, in fact, some are labelling Brown, 5-0 (5 KOs), the most exciting prospect to emerge in the UK this year and one can sense the urgency to now put him in tougher tests, with titles on the line.
“When he turned over,” said Moore, “he had a good chat with Eddie [Hearn] and he said, ‘I don’t want to be one of these guys who is fighting every four months. I want to be really active right up until I start fighting for titles.’ He understands the importance of having a break in between [title fights] and getting the right amount of rest, because the camps are so long. But he wants to be active and that won’t change. For the first year or so he was adamant that he was going to be active and, fair play to Eddie, he has stuck to his word and kept him really busy.”
Moore, a former British, Commonwealth and European champion in his own right, then revealed: “Moving forward, I think we’re going to be moving towards title fights. We’re probably looking at the winner of [John] Hedges and [Ellis] Zorro for the English title. [Hedges and Zorro fight in London on December 17.] So the activity will probably drop a little bit next year, but he’ll certainly be out again four or five times in 2026.
“We’re going to sit back now and just wait for the outcome of Hedges and Zorro and I think the break will be good for him. It will be good for him mentally as much as physically. I think he needs a break. It’s been a hectic schedule up to now and he has received a lot of attention. That brings massive lifestyle changes, in terms of going from being unknown to having everyone patting you on the back and congratulating you. It’s a lot. It’s a lot for anyone to take on and it’s a lot for a fighter to take on in their first year as a pro. So, yeah, he’ll have a little bit of a break now – have a holiday, enjoy Christmas – and we’ll then look to get him out again in the middle or end of March.”
Such is the impression Pat Brown has managed to make in 2025, he need not fear being forgotten. If he wants to take some time off to reflect and recharge, let him. We will all be waiting for his return in the new year.
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Re: Pat Brown
How good do you guys think Pat is? Looks solid enough, decent amature… but I was watching talk sport and they were going the Usyk career comparison…
I thought he was a “could well make world levle” type guy… but they are talking like he is the future.
Amature has no medal no world title… pro he is still Pre English title fight…
Seems they are jumping the gun.
I thought he was a “could well make world levle” type guy… but they are talking like he is the future.
Amature has no medal no world title… pro he is still Pre English title fight…
Seems they are jumping the gun.
Re: Pat Brown
He's an exciting slugger, and he's one of them guys that it feels like win or lose it's going to be fun to watch him. I don't think it'll take long before we see his chin get checked in a fight because of his aggression.
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Re: Pat Brown
I hope they take him the English. British/Comm, Euro, World level route.
But they’re not. They’re having him fight boxers from abroad..
He’s wayyy better than Benn.. but I feel like they’re gonna get him ranked with an org and pursue a world title in a couple of years.
I hope I’m Proven wrong
But they’re not. They’re having him fight boxers from abroad..
He’s wayyy better than Benn.. but I feel like they’re gonna get him ranked with an org and pursue a world title in a couple of years.
I hope I’m Proven wrong
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gregregegg
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Re: Pat Brown
He did say he wants to go that path in his recent talksport interview. Said he has an English title fight march.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025, 02:49 I hope they take him the English. British/Comm, Euro, World level route.
But they’re not. They’re having him fight boxers from abroad..
He’s wayyy better than Benn.. but I feel like they’re gonna get him ranked with an org and pursue a world title in a couple of years.
I hope I’m Proven wrong
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Re: Pat Brown
That’ll be good: he can still be fast-tracked and moved up this way.
Considering he has short matches, he can get in 5 fights a year. Win a British title. Make some defences. Not just vacate immediately.
Might not get paid an awful lot, but it will be good to look back at his legacy.
Considering he has short matches, he can get in 5 fights a year. Win a British title. Make some defences. Not just vacate immediately.
Might not get paid an awful lot, but it will be good to look back at his legacy.
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Old bones Ian
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Re: Pat Brown
It's nice he was able to fly his dad business class , but I hope Pat didn't pay for the rest of the team to do that.
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mickey1975
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Re: Pat Brown
He'll get so many flights as part of the deal.Old bones Ian wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025, 03:44 It's nice he was able to fly his dad business class , but I hope Pat didn't pay for the rest of the team to do that.
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mickey1975
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Re: Pat Brown
I think they'll do Hedges for the English next. As for good amateur, he was an outstanding amateur and unlucky in Paris. He's also obviously more suited to the pros. In a time when people are staying amateur too long or turning too early, it looks like Brown has got it just right. Plenty of senior, top class experience but still young.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025, 02:49 I hope they take him the English. British/Comm, Euro, World level route.
But they’re not. They’re having him fight boxers from abroad..
He’s wayyy better than Benn.. but I feel like they’re gonna get him ranked with an org and pursue a world title in a couple of years.
I hope I’m Proven wrong
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margaret thatcher
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Re: Pat Brown
he is good but will never come close to being usyk level, much more limited fighter who is already being tagged plenty. and who probably will be flattered by 'on top' fights due to offensive style. very ahead of themselves to go usyk career comparison when there are guys like dorticos out there who can whallop plenty, win titles, yet still themselves never even come close to usykgregregegg wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025, 20:07 How good do you guys think Pat is? Looks solid enough, decent amature… but I was watching talk sport and they were going the Usyk career comparison…
I thought he was a “could well make world levle” type guy… but they are talking like he is the future.
Amature has no medal no world title… pro he is still Pre English title fight…
Seems they are jumping the gun.
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margaret thatcher
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Re: Pat Brown
a very good amateur for sure, . he was clearly top in uk and also won smaller international tournies. but outstanding? never medalled at worlds/olympics, never won the euros, far as i can see never really beat anyone who was world elite amateur themself. beaten by the cuban B team guy rather than beating their top guy, etc.mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025, 05:25I think they'll do Hedges for the English next. As for good amateur, he was an outstanding amateur and unlucky in Paris. He's also obviously more suited to the pros. In a time when people are staying amateur too long or turning too early, it looks like Brown has got it just right. Plenty of senior, top class experience but still young.Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Dec 2025, 02:49 I hope they take him the English. British/Comm, Euro, World level route.
But they’re not. They’re having him fight boxers from abroad..
He’s wayyy better than Benn.. but I feel like they’re gonna get him ranked with an org and pursue a world title in a couple of years.
I hope I’m Proven wrong
usyk, now he was an outstanding amateur. julio cesar la cruz is an outstanding amateur. asadkhuja muydinkhujaev olympic gold/3 time world champ at 2 years younger than pat is an outsanding amateur.
ant fowler accomplished more in the ams than pat (and was blasting them out early to start the pros too)
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mickey1975
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Re: Pat Brown
I suppose it depends on your interpretation of outstanding. Usyk was an ATG amateur. And Fowler one of the best from here.
Re: Pat Brown
Brown is trying to reach the cruiser ceiling as quickly as possible as he is big at the weight and knows his future is in the HW division.
His words.
His words.
Re: Pat Brown
This is the sporting equivalent of saying "I read in the Daily Mail"gregregegg wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025, 20:07 but I was watching talk sport and they were going the Usyk career comparison…
Talksport are going to hype someone up just so they can do another show saying "Was Pat Brown Over Hyped?"
Not having a pop at you, Greg. Just Talksport.
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gregregegg
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Re: Pat Brown
Yea. They can get a bit carried away. Like with Moses… I would argue Moses not much better than jah anderson did… everyone though Anderson was the future then 5 mins later….Taansend wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025, 00:42This is the sporting equivalent of saying "I read in the Daily Mail"gregregegg wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025, 20:07 but I was watching talk sport and they were going the Usyk career comparison…
Talksport are going to hype someone up just so they can do another show saying "Was Pat Brown Over Hyped?"
Not having a pop at you, Greg. Just Talksport.
Now I think Moses will win a belt. He might just become the number 1 guy. But Geeze it’s early days for those calls with such confidence.