Oleksandr Usyk vs. Deontay Wilder - Who wins?

[Frostieballs]

It's an obvious fight for him, the third best heavyweight of his era on his record.

Third best? Wilder better than Joshua?

Wilder rates ahead of Joshua to me, but barely. He could surpass him with a few more significant wins or if Wilder took a few more damaging losses.

Preferably they fight each other, and settle it that way. I'd still love to see AJ vs Fury and Wilder. Regardless of if he beats either one of them.

That’s a take I find very hard to understand!

[Taansend]

Wilder had a much bigger impact on boxing. Las Vegas, Barclays Centre, Staples Centre... he was the last great American heavyweight and his fights were must see TV.

Barely anyone knew who he was over here Mickey

[Taansend]

I think we can all forgive Usyk taking an easier fight, he’s definitely earned it and I’ll watch in the hope Wilder has enough to make it interesting for a bit although I have my doubts.

If it's it LA & tickets ain't silly money I might go.

[joshj909]

All the big names were there. Loads of them. No AJ.

Mike Tyson is obviously bigger than them all so that's completely unsurprising. Did you see loads of Wilder advertisements? I'd be surprised if there are Wilder advertisements anywhere but Tuscaloosa.

I meant anything to indicate he's a big name there, like all his endorsements here, Lynx, Lucozade etc. Ryan Garcia was a pretty big deal.

I don't see how that makes Wilder bigger than Joshua worldwide

[mickey1975]

Wilder had a much bigger impact on boxing. Las Vegas, Barclays Centre, Staples Centre... he was the last great American heavyweight and his fights were must see TV.

Barely anyone knew who he was over here Mickey

Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

[joshj909]

Wilder had a much bigger impact on boxing. Las Vegas, Barclays Centre, Staples Centre... he was the last great American heavyweight and his fights were must see TV.

Barely anyone knew who he was over here Mickey

Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

Did he ever break 300k PPV buys other than against Fury? I'm not sure his attendance figures were matching Joshua's stadium figures either. How you can't see your delusion is hilarious

[Taansend]

Wilder had a much bigger impact on boxing. Las Vegas, Barclays Centre, Staples Centre... he was the last great American heavyweight and his fights were must see TV.

Barely anyone knew who he was over here Mickey

Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

[mickey1975]

Barely anyone knew who he was over here Mickey

Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

Did he ever break 300k PPV buys other than against Fury? I'm not sure his attendance figures were matching Joshua's stadium figures either. How you can't see your delusion is hilarious

You haven't answered if Benn is more successful than McKenzie.

[mickey1975]

Barely anyone knew who he was over here Mickey

Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

That's happened to everyone at some point.

[Taansend]

Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

That's happened to everyone at some point.

In their 6th defence

An American Heavyweight Champion needing a female fighter to sell tickets after being a Champ for a few years. Yes, he was a HUGE ticket seller. Wildly popular here in the States.

I hope you keep trying Mickey because this is hilarious, mate.

[mickey1975]

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

That's happened to everyone at some point.

In their 6th defence

An American Heavyweight Champion needing a female fighter to sell tickets after being a Champ for a few years. Yes, he was a HUGE ticket seller. Wildly popular here in the States.

I hope you keep trying Mickey because this is hilarious, mate.

Was Katie Taylor on any AJ undercards?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Would Mickey defend Wilder this much, if it wasn't for his fights against Fury?

[Ruthless-RKO]

That's happened to everyone at some point.

In their 6th defence

An American Heavyweight Champion needing a female fighter to sell tickets after being a Champ for a few years. Yes, he was a HUGE ticket seller. Wildly popular here in the States.

I hope you keep trying Mickey because this is hilarious, mate.

Was Katie Taylor on any AJ undercards?

that was to help Katie expand her audience.. to put her on the bigger shows.

[Taansend]

That's happened to everyone at some point.

In their 6th defence

An American Heavyweight Champion needing a female fighter to sell tickets after being a Champ for a few years. Yes, he was a HUGE ticket seller. Wildly popular here in the States.

I hope you keep trying Mickey because this is hilarious, mate.

Was Katie Taylor on any AJ undercards?

Now I know you're trolling

[SeanBrennan]

I think we can all forgive Usyk taking an easier fight, he’s definitely earned it and I’ll watch in the hope Wilder has enough to make it interesting for a bit although I have my doubts.

If it's it LA & tickets ain't silly money I might go.

Bet it’ll be great atmosphere live Usyk is popular everywhere isn’t he as he’s never a nobhead

[joshj909]

Would Mickey defend Wilder this much, if it wasn't for his fights against Fury?

Mickey's top heavies of the past 15 years:
Fury
Klitschko (as long as he's under 39 years and 250 days old otherwise he isn't in the top 25)
Usyk
Wilder
Ortiz
Stiverne
Chisora
Wallin
McDermott
Whyte
Schwarz
Seferi
Pianeta
Steve Cunningham
Parker
Joshua
Ngannou

[joshj909]

Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

Did he ever break 300k PPV buys other than against Fury? I'm not sure his attendance figures were matching Joshua's stadium figures either. How you can't see your delusion is hilarious

You haven't answered if Benn is more successful than McKenzie.

Strawman argument. Is Benn a multiple time, three belt holding world champion with several successful defences including over other world champions?

[gilgamesh]

Third best? Wilder better than Joshua?

Wilder rates ahead of Joshua to me, but barely. He could surpass him with a few more significant wins or if Wilder took a few more damaging losses.

Preferably they fight each other, and settle it that way. I'd still love to see AJ vs Fury and Wilder. Regardless of if he beats either one of them.

How did you get to that conclusion?

By watching every fight either one of them ever had, and critiquing the performance and the level of opposition. Neither of them is separated by much.

[mickey1975]

Did he ever break 300k PPV buys other than against Fury? I'm not sure his attendance figures were matching Joshua's stadium figures either. How you can't see your delusion is hilarious

You haven't answered if Benn is more successful than McKenzie.

Strawman argument. Is Benn a multiple time, three belt holding world champion with several successful defences including over other world champions?

He's earned more, your criteria for success.

[gilgamesh]

Third best? Wilder better than Joshua?

Wilder rates ahead of Joshua to me, but barely. He could surpass him with a few more significant wins or if Wilder took a few more damaging losses.

Preferably they fight each other, and settle it that way. I'd still love to see AJ vs Fury and Wilder. Regardless of if he beats either one of them.

That’s a take I find very hard to understand!

Hopefully they all fight each other, and remove any doubt about who belongs where historically.

[joshj909]

You haven't answered if Benn is more successful than McKenzie.

Strawman argument. Is Benn a multiple time, three belt holding world champion with several successful defences including over other world champions?

He's earned more, your criteria for success.

This was part of your criteria. Having an bigger impact on boxing and having fans. Neither of which he had.

Wilder had a much bigger impact on boxing. Las Vegas, Barclays Centre, Staples Centre... he was the last great American heavyweight and his fights were must see TV.

My criteria is actually beating live opponents. Something Wilder knows nothing about.

[gilgamesh]

Maybe they drafted actors in to play spectators at his fights, like they say North Korea do, and just made up PPV figures.

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

That's happened to everyone at some point.

Amanda Serrano was popular when Wilder fought Stiverne? I wouldn't imagine she's very popular now even, let alone then.

[mickey1975]

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

That's happened to everyone at some point.

Amanda Serrano was popular when Wilder fought Stiverne? I wouldn't imagine she's very popular now even, let alone then.

Household name wherever Taansend lives.

[Taansend]

I think we can all forgive Usyk taking an easier fight, he’s definitely earned it and I’ll watch in the hope Wilder has enough to make it interesting for a bit although I have my doubts.

If it's it LA & tickets ain't silly money I might go.

Bet it’ll be great atmosphere live Usyk is popular everywhere isn’t he as he’s never a nobhead

Yeah the Mexican fans will make it fun.

I've seen Lewis, Klitschko, Hopkins, Lomachenko & loads of others at Staples so if I can top it off with Usyk that would be great.

Especially as I'll be able to say "I was there when Wilder kayoed Usyk"

[Taansend]

Or they stacked the undercard with popular fighters like Amanda Serrano when he rematch Stiverne in New York because they knew tickets were not selling

That's happened to everyone at some point.

Amanda Serrano was popular when Wilder fought Stiverne? I wouldn't imagine she's very popular now even, let alone then.

A 3 weight World Champion Nuyorican (that's a Puerto Rican from New York for Mickey & Gilgamesh) & you don't think she was popular then. In New York.

You two are the gift that keeps on giving. This is a hilarious way to start off the year