Piers Brosnan portraying Brendan Ingle

[SeanBrennan]

Naz talking about the financials is something I'd welcome more on.
The reasons Brendan and Graham parted are a well known secret in boxing and people should know.

[Frostieballs]

Naz talking about the financials is something I'd welcome more on.
The reasons Brendan and Graham parted are a well known secret in boxing and people should know.

Surprised by a lot on here praising the films realism, when Naz has come out himself and said most of it is made up!

He really didn’t hold back on talkSPORT.

In short, Naz basically said that Brendan wanted to hold him to a promise he made when he was eleven … that he would give Brendan 25% of his purses, no matter how big.

I think Brendan had been scarred by other fighters not paying him what he thought he was due - and spoke to Naz about it a lot when he was a kid.

I actually have some empathy for trainer/managers who get their pay cut substantially when fighters make the big time.

More often than not - they put in loads of work and lose money in the early days. Most kids don’t go on to make decent money.

It is a shame there isn’t a common sense approach and this is all dealt with at the start (with a bit of help from the board).

A standard contract that stipulates the trainer/manager cut at something like:-

25% for purses under 100k
20% on purse between 100k & 250k
15% on purse between 250k and £1m
10% on anything above £1m

With the steps only kicking in for amounts above each threshold.

So if the purse is £250k, trainer gets 25% of first £100k, then 20% of next £150k.

[Coco]

When you go pro, you have to have a manager and sign the standard BBBoC contract.
The manager gets 25%
Most managers also train you and that is included in the 25%
If you wanted to employ a separate trainer, the standard cut would be 10%
From my knowledge in the 90's Brendan was taking his 25% and then his sons(John and Dom) would get 10%
Often when fighters get bigger a promoter like FW or Hearns would take over the management(the fighter would be officially self managed, might take on an advisor), not charge the 25% as they get their money from the promotion.
If the fighter was on another show they may well then take the 25%
At that point the likes of Brendan would be left with 10%(but then these are bigger purses)
Many big fighters, like an AJ officially manage themselves, your Hearns earn through the promotion, then take on a trainer on a set wage(not 10%).
I imagine a Ben Davison sort, if offered 50k for an 8 week camp, expenses paid, on a 10m purse, is still very happy.

[Boxerbeetle]

I’ve been watching a bunch of Naz fights on YouTube tonight, great times. He was so entertaining, boxing could certainly do with some big personalities again. Fvcking loved the 90s.

[big lennox]

I totally agree with Johnny: Brendan was not motivated by cash. On any given day, money would have been right at the bottom of the things he was thinking about.

His motivation was about helping people having a fair crack of the whip at life. In Brendan's words, he enjoyed " the craic" - the conversations, the laughs, the problem solving, the teamwork; the shared experiences.

As his obituary in The Guardian said: he was a social worker who doubled as a World class boxing trainer.

He really was very special indeed.

[Controversial]

I wonder how much of what Naz says about Brendan wanting 25% is true but he is doubling down on it. Johnny Nelson says the complete opposite and Brendan wasn’t interested in money at all. He said Brendan paid Johnny £250 a week until he got a title shot over a year later and he didn’t want Johnny to tell anyone he was giving him that otherwise he wanted it all back. When Johnny tried to pay him back he refused to take it.

But on the flip side was it that Brendan knew Johnny was never going to be a global superstar and earn millions so he didn’t want to take off him whereas Nas was earning life changing money? From what I’ve read about Brendan Ingle money wasn’t a big deal to him but strange that Nas is still sticking to the same story.

[big lennox]

Part 2.

[Steveh583]

in Naseems defence, he insisted Johnny fight on his undercards when Nelson couldnt draw flies. He was literally on of the biggest turn offs in british boxing but Naz stuck by him. that indicates to me that the situation wasnt black and white.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I wonder how much of what Naz says about Brendan wanting 25% is true but he is doubling down on it. Johnny Nelson says the complete opposite and Brendan wasn’t interested in money at all. He said Brendan paid Johnny £250 a week until he got a title shot over a year later and he didn’t want Johnny to tell anyone he was giving him that otherwise he wanted it all back. When Johnny tried to pay him back he refused to take it.

But on the flip side was it that Brendan knew Johnny was never going to be a global superstar and earn millions so he didn’t want to take off him whereas Nas was earning life changing money? From what I’ve read about Brendan Ingle money wasn’t a big deal to him but strange that Nas is still sticking to the same story.

Nas and Johnny were two complete differents.

Like the post above, Nelson couldn’t attract flies. He was not a promoters dream.

Naz was destined greatness from a very young age.

[Controversial]

I wonder how much of what Naz says about Brendan wanting 25% is true but he is doubling down on it. Johnny Nelson says the complete opposite and Brendan wasn’t interested in money at all. He said Brendan paid Johnny £250 a week until he got a title shot over a year later and he didn’t want Johnny to tell anyone he was giving him that otherwise he wanted it all back. When Johnny tried to pay him back he refused to take it.

But on the flip side was it that Brendan knew Johnny was never going to be a global superstar and earn millions so he didn’t want to take off him whereas Nas was earning life changing money? From what I’ve read about Brendan Ingle money wasn’t a big deal to him but strange that Nas is still sticking to the same story.

Nas and Johnny were two complete differents.

Like the post above, Nelson couldn’t attract flies. He was not a promoters dream.

Naz was destined greatness from a very young age.

Yeah I know, I was more referring to why Nas says it was all about the money to Brendan when others say the complete opposite

[JamesPhilips]

Johnny Nelson is defending Brendan because with him he was nothing. So hes being loyal. But Ingle was definitely taking too big a cut of Naz’s purses.

[big lennox]

Johnny Nelson is defending Brendan because with him he was nothing. So hes being loyal. But Ingle was definitely taking too big a cut of Naz’s purses.

I don't think that is a fair statement. Johnny is a very bright and engaging guy and would do very well in all walks of life. But, yes, he and Brendan produced magic together culminating in a lengthy unbeaten reign as the World Cruiserweight Champion.

Johnny's point is that Naz's comment that Brendan was mainly motivated by money, is not an accurate or fair telling of who Brendan was.

Naz was an extraordinary talent as was Brendan as a trainer; and boxing is definitely richer for the 18 years they spent together.

[a force]

Naz is a scumbag. I wouldn’t trust anything he says. Incredible talent, amazing to watch but an awful human being.

The Ingle’s are some of the straightest people to ever work in boxing.

Dom is cut from the same cloth as his dad.

He could’ve taken his cut from Brook when he fought Crawford but he didn’t believe Kell had enough time to prepare for the fight so he told him not to take it & that he wanted no part of it.

With Saunders he was told that unless he dedicated himself fully & lived in Sheffield all camp he wouldn’t train him. He missed out on a huge pay day with the Canelo fight but didn’t feel Saunders was dedicated enough.

[coneye]

Has Nelson has said , 25% IS STANDARD , the problem arises when its out of millions , maybee Naz could of done things better , but it was always going to end in tears at 25% of millions , so otherside of the coin is Brendon could of accepted less , but from what i'm reading he did'nt care about money but was and could be a stubborn man and to him it was principle , he looked after him and others from a young age and thought he deserved it . I can understand it you nuture a kid from 7 too world champ you would expect some of the rewards , but 25% is a bit much .

In fact i think 25% for a manager is too much , the trainer deserves more , but at 10% for tainer and 25% for manager to me thats too big a chunk out of the fighters money there taking the punches . 25% for trainer / manager is fair until its in the millions then time to negotiate

[Controversial]

Did he have a contract where it said he got 25% or was it all based on a verbal agreement?

[TheLeprechaun]

The 25% is ridiculous when it gets to millions and even before that. No trainer gets that. I saw an interview with Dom where he was saying that Brendan could have been taking 32.5% technically so he was doing Naz a favour by only taking 25%. I believe Naz when he said that Brendan turned around to him and said "When you were 11 years old, you said that you'd always give me 25%, you gave me your word on that."

It's ridiculous. I can totally understand Naz not wanting to give the chap the money. He made 2.5 million vs McCullough. That would be a 625,000 payout to Brendan.

Because he made the deal at 11 years old

The way he carried on with Naz always made me question Brendan. I remember he had a huge smile on his face saying "Everyone calls him 'King Rat' in here" when in the Wincobank talking about Naz.

[Coco]

25% is the managers cut

[Ruthless-RKO]

He earned minimum £2m per fight before PPV cut from 97 onwards.

When was his last fight with Brendan?

[Controversial]

He earned minimum £2m per fight before PPV cut from 97 onwards.

When was his last fight with Brendan?

Think it was the Wayne McCullough fight

[Frostieballs]

The 25% is ridiculous when it gets to millions and even before that. No trainer gets that. I saw an interview with Dom where he was saying that Brendan could have been taking 32.5% technically so he was doing Naz a favour by only taking 25%. I believe Naz when he said that Brendan turned around to him and said "When you were 11 years old, you said that you'd always give me 25%, you gave me your word on that."

It's ridiculous. I can totally understand Naz not wanting to give the chap the money. He made 2.5 million vs McCullough. That would be a 625,000 payout to Brendan.

Because he made the deal at 11 years old

The way he carried on with Naz always made me question Brendan. I remember he had a huge smile on his face saying "Everyone calls him 'King Rat' in here" when in the Wincobank talking about Naz.

That’s why a racheted system, agreed in advance, would be best.

[Frostieballs]

Did he have a contract where it said he got 25% or was it all based on a verbal agreement?

Even if there was a formal contract, it would come up for renewal at some point and the disagreement would occur then.

[Controversial]

Did he have a contract where it said he got 25% or was it all based on a verbal agreement?

Even if there was a formal contract, it would come up for renewal at some point and the disagreement would occur then.

Yeah I just wondered if it was a proper contract that said he got 25%, I don’t remember there being a court case.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Golovkin signed a six-fight, $100 million contract with DAZN.

He offered Sanchez a new training compensation schedule. Which he refused.

I mean at that point in Golovkin's career. Did Abel deserve a cut of $10m from that?

I believe Golovkin offered him around $330k per fight, so after the 6-fight deal, he'd have made around £2m.

A lot of big earners have personal negotiations with their trainers, no way they pay them 10%.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Did he have a contract where it said he got 25% or was it all based on a verbal agreement?

Even if there was a formal contract, it would come up for renewal at some point and the disagreement would occur then.

Yeah I just wondered if it was a proper contract that said he got 25%, I don’t remember there being a court case.

11 year old signing that contract? surely there would have been an adult present. I think it was just something he said verbal.

[Controversial]

Even if there was a formal contract, it would come up for renewal at some point and the disagreement would occur then.

Yeah I just wondered if it was a proper contract that said he got 25%, I don’t remember there being a court case.

11 year old signing that contract? surely there would have been an adult present. I think it was just something he said verbal.

Yeah legally a minor can’t enter a legal contract without a parent or guardian, can’t imagine he had any kind of contract at that age but I would’ve thought he did when he turned pro. Maybe not though as no court case so kind of suggests even if there was one it probably couldn’t be enforced.