Timothy Bradley, Jr: In the Boxing Hall of Fame? How Did That Happened?

[elmersalsa]

How did this guy, Timothy Bradley Jr is in the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, NY? How did that happened?

What special things he did to get in the hall of fame?
Was he worth it to be in?

I see guys that had much better credentials than Bradley. And they are not in the hall of fame.

For example:
Rafael Herrera
Santos Laciar
Paddy DeMarco
Jose Luis Ramirez
Davey Moore
Esteban De Jesus
Iran "The Blade" Barkley

There should be an explanation. The IBHOF is a joke.

[elmersalsa]

Include also:
Ralph Dupas
Marvin Johnson
Gilberto Roman

And there are plenty of great examples. How did Timothy Bradley Jr is in the IBHOF is a joke to me.

[goose 5]

Barkley, Ramirez and Herrera wouldn't get my vote. I didn't agree with the decisions in the first Manny Pac bout or the Provodnikov bout. To me, Bradley was better than very good but clearly not great so he doesn't get my vote.

[gilgamesh]

He's a fairly weak Hall of Famer. I don't think he's the most undeserving guy in there though.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- Interesting how a fighter so muscled up and quick as Tim was had such a mediocre punch, yet his work rate and conditioning was always off the shelf phenomenal which is how he became somewhat glorified.

Remember when Arum demanded Boxing investigate himself so as to clear him of rigging the first Manny fight. That was where Manny punched Tim out so thoroughly that he popped Timmy out of his ankles that put Tim in a sympathetic light sugared in his wheelchair for the post fight presser?

IBHOF is most assuredly like the Dallas Cowboys and many if not most businesses operate as today as nonprofits, most especially Politicians for their fundraising. Hence the current US political mess.

Tim more qualified than that Gal who had never been seen in a ring for a fight got elected. Pro Boxing is the most shameless sport of all.

[margaret thatcher]

bradley has a very long list of good wins, beat something like a dozen other current/past world champs (still a high number in today's belt inflated scene). multiple unifications. beat some undefeated contenders who had some hype. has a few wins over hall of famers - even if you dont count the first pac fight, i think marquez was still considered pound for pound top 10 when they fought.

its not really an outrageous thing he's in the hall. hes one of those guys who really maxed out his achievements relative to his ability.

[scorpio83]

Don't forget about Chartchai Chionoi for the old-timer category and "The Magic Man" Marlon Starling in the modern category.

[Casablanca]

How did this guy, Timothy Bradley Jr is in the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, NY? How did that happened?

What special things he did to get in the hall of fame?
Was he worth it to be in?

I see guys that had much better credentials than Bradley. And they are not in the hall of fame.

For example:
Rafael Herrera
Santos Laciar
Paddy DeMarco
Jose Luis Ramirez
Davey Moore
Esteban De Jesus
Iran "The Blade" Barkley

There should be an explanation. The IBHOF is a joke.

Bradley was incredible and absolutely deserves to be in the Hall. Several of those you listed do as well.

[goose 5]

Would you induct Bradley even if he didn't have a "win" over Manny Pac ?

[gilgamesh]

How did this guy, Timothy Bradley Jr is in the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, NY? How did that happened?

What special things he did to get in the hall of fame?
Was he worth it to be in?

I see guys that had much better credentials than Bradley. And they are not in the hall of fame.

For example:
Rafael Herrera
Santos Laciar
Paddy DeMarco
Jose Luis Ramirez
Davey Moore
Esteban De Jesus
Iran "The Blade" Barkley

There should be an explanation. The IBHOF is a joke.

Moore and Barkley weren't better than Bradley

[Ambling Alp II]

They have to be better. Duran fought them both. If either ever gets in, then Duran have beat more Hall of Famers than Leonard, and elmer would talk about it constantly.

Eddie Mustapha Muhammad should have got in 30 years ago. He is not on the ballot.

[elmersalsa]

How did this guy, Timothy Bradley Jr is in the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, NY? How did that happened?

What special things he did to get in the hall of fame?
Was he worth it to be in?

I see guys that had much better credentials than Bradley. And they are not in the hall of fame.

For example:
Rafael Herrera
Santos Laciar
Paddy DeMarco
Jose Luis Ramirez
Davey Moore
Esteban De Jesus
Iran "The Blade" Barkley

There should be an explanation. The IBHOF is a joke.

Moore and Barkley weren't better than Bradley

That's not the Davey Moore that I am talking about. I am talking about the first Davey Moore, the World Featherweight Champion from 1958-63. He had an impressive career.

The other Davey Moore that fought Roberto Duran didn't had as many fights or wins to qualify him as a Hall of Famer.

[gilgamesh]

How did this guy, Timothy Bradley Jr is in the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, NY? How did that happened?

What special things he did to get in the hall of fame?
Was he worth it to be in?

I see guys that had much better credentials than Bradley. And they are not in the hall of fame.

For example:
Rafael Herrera
Santos Laciar
Paddy DeMarco
Jose Luis Ramirez
Davey Moore
Esteban De Jesus
Iran "The Blade" Barkley

There should be an explanation. The IBHOF is a joke.

Moore and Barkley weren't better than Bradley

That's not the Davey Moore that I am talking about. I am talking about the first Davey Moore, the World Featherweight Champion from 1958-63. He had an impressive career.

The other Davey Moore that fought Roberto Duran didn't had as many fights or wins to qualify him as a Hall of Famer.

I don't know if either of the Davey's quality, but I agree the Featherweight Davey Moore was more accomplished. It's ironic that both fighters named Davey Moore were both successful, and both died tragically at young ages.

[margaret thatcher]

they should have eddie on the ballot in some general 'contributions to boxing' category. even if you think eddie just misses out as a fighter, his work as a trainer should push him over the edge

[Cent0089]

People have problem with Pacquiao robbery, but tend to forget some of Bradley nice wins:
Juan Manuel Marquez - close but decisive win, beat Marquez in his own game
Took "0"s from 4 prime, high level guys - Lamont Peterson, Luis Carlos Abregu, Jessie Vargas and Devon Alexander
Junior Witter, Miguel Vasquez, Kendall Holt - very decent wins
Controversies:
Provodnikov fight - I must admit, i have problem with this win. You can score it somewhat like 9 rounds to 3 for Bradley, but i have problem when winner is barely alive at the end of fight and his oponent is ready for another 12 rounds. Bradle took savage beating in last round.
Manny fights: He lost all of 3 we all know that. But he still held his own against top 10 ATG so its fine with me.

Also, some of his fights were pretty entertaining. I am happy he is in HOF. I am surprised Iran Barkley isnt there

[Casablanca]

People have problem with Pacquiao robbery, but tend to forget some of Bradley nice wins:
Juan Manuel Marquez - close but decisive win, beat Marquez in his own game
Took "0"s from 4 prime, high level guys - Lamont Peterson, Luis Carlos Abregu, Jessie Vargas and Devon Alexander
Junior Witter, Miguel Vasquez, Kendall Holt - very decent wins
Controversies:
Provodnikov fight - I must admit, i have problem with this win. You can score it somewhat like 9 rounds to 3 for Bradley, but i have problem when winner is barely alive at the end of fight and his oponent is ready for another 12 rounds. Bradle took savage beating in last round.
Manny fights: He lost all of 3 we all know that. But he still held his own against top 10 ATG so its fine with me.

Also, some of his fights were pretty entertaining. I am happy he is in HOF. I am surprised Iran Barkley isnt there

I don’t know that he lost all three Pacquiao fights. I just scored the first one again the other day and had Bradley stealing all three of the final three rounds of the fight to earn a 114-114 draw on my card.

[Cent0089]

People have problem with Pacquiao robbery, but tend to forget some of Bradley nice wins:
Juan Manuel Marquez - close but decisive win, beat Marquez in his own game
Took "0"s from 4 prime, high level guys - Lamont Peterson, Luis Carlos Abregu, Jessie Vargas and Devon Alexander
Junior Witter, Miguel Vasquez, Kendall Holt - very decent wins
Controversies:
Provodnikov fight - I must admit, i have problem with this win. You can score it somewhat like 9 rounds to 3 for Bradley, but i have problem when winner is barely alive at the end of fight and his oponent is ready for another 12 rounds. Bradle took savage beating in last round.
Manny fights: He lost all of 3 we all know that. But he still held his own against top 10 ATG so its fine with me.

Also, some of his fights were pretty entertaining. I am happy he is in HOF. I am surprised Iran Barkley isnt there

I don’t know that he lost all three Pacquiao fights. I just scored the first one again the other day and had Bradley stealing all three of the final three rounds of the fight to earn a 114-114 draw on my card.

No problem with that, i scored it for Manny, but saw it only once

[gilgamesh]

People have problem with Pacquiao robbery, but tend to forget some of Bradley nice wins:
Juan Manuel Marquez - close but decisive win, beat Marquez in his own game
Took "0"s from 4 prime, high level guys - Lamont Peterson, Luis Carlos Abregu, Jessie Vargas and Devon Alexander
Junior Witter, Miguel Vasquez, Kendall Holt - very decent wins
Controversies:
Provodnikov fight - I must admit, i have problem with this win. You can score it somewhat like 9 rounds to 3 for Bradley, but i have problem when winner is barely alive at the end of fight and his oponent is ready for another 12 rounds. Bradle took savage beating in last round.
Manny fights: He lost all of 3 we all know that. But he still held his own against top 10 ATG so its fine with me.

Also, some of his fights were pretty entertaining. I am happy he is in HOF. I am surprised Iran Barkley isnt there

I don’t know that he lost all three Pacquiao fights. I just scored the first one again the other day and had Bradley stealing all three of the final three rounds of the fight to earn a 114-114 draw on my card.

No problem with that, i scored it for Manny, but saw it only once

I thought Manny won the first fight by the same 9 rounds to 3 margin that he won the other 2 with. He dominated Bradley 3 times. I see his "loss" to Bradley as a win because to me it's not a close fight. It's an egregious and bold faced robbery.

[Casablanca]

I don’t know that he lost all three Pacquiao fights. I just scored the first one again the other day and had Bradley stealing all three of the final three rounds of the fight to earn a 114-114 draw on my card.

I gave Pacquiao rounds 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 9.

I gave Bradley rounds 1, 5, 8, 10, 11 and 12.

114-114 Even.

No problem with that, i scored it for Manny, but saw it only once

I thought Manny won the first fight by the same 9 rounds to 3 margin that he won the other 2 with. He dominated Bradley 3 times. I see his "loss" to Bradley as a win because to me it's not a close fight. It's an egregious and bold faced robbery.

I gave Pacquiao rounds 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 9.

I gave Bradley rounds 1, 5, 8, 10, 11 and 12.

114-114 Even.

[Ambling Alp II]

How did this guy, Timothy Bradley Jr is in the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, NY? How did that happened?

What special things he did to get in the hall of fame?
Was he worth it to be in?

I see guys that had much better credentials than Bradley. And they are not in the hall of fame.

For example:
Rafael Herrera
Santos Laciar
Paddy DeMarco
Jose Luis Ramirez
Davey Moore
Esteban De Jesus
Iran "The Blade" Barkley

There should be an explanation. The IBHOF is a joke.

Moore and Barkley weren't better than Bradley

That's not the Davey Moore that I am talking about. I am talking about the first Davey Moore, the World Featherweight Champion from 1958-63. He had an impressive career.

The other Davey Moore that fought Roberto Duran didn't had as many fights or wins to qualify him as a Hall of Famer.

You once called the featherweight Davey Moore "average".

[gilgamesh]

I gave Pacquiao rounds 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 9.

I gave Bradley rounds 1, 5, 8, 10, 11 and 12.

114-114 Even.

No problem with that, i scored it for Manny, but saw it only once

I thought Manny won the first fight by the same 9 rounds to 3 margin that he won the other 2 with. He dominated Bradley 3 times. I see his "loss" to Bradley as a win because to me it's not a close fight. It's an egregious and bold faced robbery.

I gave Pacquiao rounds 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 9.

I gave Bradley rounds 1, 5, 8, 10, 11 and 12.

114-114 Even.

How did Bradley win rounds 1, 5 and 8? Blocking punches with his face?

In order to have Bradley even or winning you're just giving him every remotely close round because Pac wins 6 or 7 rounds in that fight clear as day. Tim doesn't have a clear cut round in the fight until the Championship rounds when he had already lost so many rounds he couldn't come back with anything short of a KO.

That's always the fight I'm looking at when I see that bout.

[Casablanca]

I thought Manny won the first fight by the same 9 rounds to 3 margin that he won the other 2 with. He dominated Bradley 3 times. I see his "loss" to Bradley as a win because to me it's not a close fight. It's an egregious and bold faced robbery.

I gave Pacquiao rounds 2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 9.

I gave Bradley rounds 1, 5, 8, 10, 11 and 12.

114-114 Even.

How did Bradley win rounds 1, 5 and 8? Blocking punches with his face?

In order to have Bradley even or winning you're just giving him every remotely close round because Pac wins 6 or 7 rounds in that fight clear as day. Tim doesn't have a clear cut round in the fight until the Championship rounds when he had already lost so many rounds he couldn't come back with anything short of a KO.

That's always the fight I'm looking at when I see that bout.

I see a fight which was pretty close and competitive. I would either watch the Top Rank broadcast, or with the announcers on silent, which is what I usually do.

Pacquiao, by this point of his career, was already not as lethal as he had been in the late ‘08 to mid ‘11 period when he reached his peak. In my view, he lost the third Marquez fight narrowly and the first Bradley fight was one where while Pacquiao was winning more rounds for much of the fight, he wasn’t winning by the margin that he once may have. He was too frequently stuck on his spot and was having much more trouble than he once was. Bradley stole the last three rounds to level the fight on my card.

[gilgamesh]

I do agree with you that Marquez deserved the nod over Pac in their 3rd fight. Pac vs Bradley isn't a close fight to me.

[Casablanca]

I do agree with you that Marquez deserved the nod over Pac in their 3rd fight. Pac vs Bradley isn't a close fight to me.

I haven’t seen the second and third Bradley fights. Pacquiao just never seemed to me to be as lethal again as he was at his peak. His body speed just was never quite the same, even if his hand speed remained phenomenal. He got whitewashed in the Mayweather fight, as I expected, frankly and I agree with the decision in the Horn fight.

I am a huge fan of Pacquiao. It is obviously too bad that the Mayweather fight didn’t occur in 2010. It would have been great.

[gilgamesh]

I do agree with you that Marquez deserved the nod over Pac in their 3rd fight. Pac vs Bradley isn't a close fight to me.

I haven’t seen the second and third Bradley fights. Pacquiao just never seemed to me to be as lethal again as he was at his peak. His body speed just was never quite the same, even if his hand speed remained phenomenal. He got whitewashed in the Mayweather fight, as I expected, frankly and I agree with the decision in the Horn fight.

I am a huge fan of Pacquiao. It is obviously too bad that the Mayweather fight didn’t occur in 2010. It would have been great.

The Horn fight is a wild brawl and could've went either way to me. I have no issue with the decision in that one.

Pac vs Jeff Horn, the fight itself is vastly underrated. What a hell of a scrap that was.