Floyd Mayweather jr vs The Fab Three @ 147

[Ambling Alp II]

Mayweather's biggest wins aren't as big as Leonard's biggest wins. Mayweather overall had a better career than Leonard.

He has more achievements than Leonard in almost every measurable category. He even has more Championship wins at Welterweight than Leonard does even though Welterweight was Leonard's primary weight class, while it was the 4th for Mayweather. He beat more Hall of Famers than Leonard. He has more wins total than Leonard. He has more KO wins than Leonard. He has more EVERYTHING than Leonard.

Mayweather never had to take years off in the middle of his career for a detached retina because he never suffered one. He did have to win fights with damaged hands though, and he succeeded.

I don't think Mayweather beats Leonard head to head in their prime, but I know for a fact that he had a better career than Leonard because the proof is there to see, and as for who I think would've won in a mythical fight well...maybe I'm wrong.

Except those "achievements" don't mean very much in comparison to beat 4 of the Top 50 fighters of all time, when they were still great, which is what counts. How many fighters have done this? Less than 10.
Mayweather has zero wins that compare to those 4.
Leonard had injured hands during his career as well.

What you don't get about the detached retina is that it forced Leonard out of the sport during his prime. Fighters don't come back as good as they once were after long layoffs like this. He was better than expected when he came back, but clearly not as good. And that almost always happens to fighters who came back after that kind of layoff.

Mayweather would have losses to non-great fighters in his prime if it was not for corrupt judges. Leonard did have that.
total wins? Seriously? Total wins means virtually nothing in boxing. You can always find a stiff to beat. Do we really need to go through names of guys who were not that good that had more wins than Mayweather?

The proof is that Leonard had the better career.

Other than Ali I don't know if anyone has 3 bigger wins than Leonard. And if the comparison stopped at simply their 3 biggest wins then Leonard would be well ahead.

It doesn't though.

For the record though. I would favor Leonard in a head to head mythical fight.

There were a handful of guys whose best wins were comparable to Leonard, besides Ali. Charles, Moore, Armstrong, Langford, Greb, Robinson. I.e. the best of all time.

your biggest wins is the most important thing. that is where you should start. Boxing is not like other sports. In the NFL, NBA or MLB, teams play roughly even schedules. They isn't the case boxing. In boxing statistics are less reliable.

Floyd Patterson had more title defenses and beat more Hall of Famers than Sonny Liston. Yet everyone knows Liston was better.
Jack Johnson beat more Hall of Famers than Leonard. Almost everyone would rate Leonard higher.

Some Hall of Fmaers are way better than someothers. Also matter when you fought the Hall of Famer.

Right now, Elmer salsa is always wanting guys Esteban DeJesus in the HOF. Why? Because right now, Leonard and Duran have beaten the same amount of Hall of Famers. If DeJesus ever gets in, Duran would have beaten one more Hall of Famer than DeJesus.
How stupid is that? DeJesus, Duran, and Leonard have not fought for decades. But a vote in the Hall of Famer would give Duran a numerical advantage.
And elmer is never going to admit that Leonard's Hall of Famers are way better than Durans'. And they are also way better than Mayweathers.

As for the number of title defenses, take the number and multiply it by zero. That is how important the sheer number is.
Quality trumps quantity. You can always find a stiff to defend the title against.

Weight the best wins and best performances against the losses and bad performances. Take into consideration how close to a fighter's prime was and how close his opponents were. Right off the bat you can tell Leonard was better.

[Ambling Alp II]

Old time feelings are great but Mayweather would have beaten Leonards and Duran, maybe even Hearns.

What would be his tactic to beat Leonard?

Prayer.

[gilgamesh]

Except those "achievements" don't mean very much in comparison to beat 4 of the Top 50 fighters of all time, when they were still great, which is what counts. How many fighters have done this? Less than 10.
Mayweather has zero wins that compare to those 4.
Leonard had injured hands during his career as well.

What you don't get about the detached retina is that it forced Leonard out of the sport during his prime. Fighters don't come back as good as they once were after long layoffs like this. He was better than expected when he came back, but clearly not as good. And that almost always happens to fighters who came back after that kind of layoff.

Mayweather would have losses to non-great fighters in his prime if it was not for corrupt judges. Leonard did have that.
total wins? Seriously? Total wins means virtually nothing in boxing. You can always find a stiff to beat. Do we really need to go through names of guys who were not that good that had more wins than Mayweather?

The proof is that Leonard had the better career.

Other than Ali I don't know if anyone has 3 bigger wins than Leonard. And if the comparison stopped at simply their 3 biggest wins then Leonard would be well ahead.

It doesn't though.

For the record though. I would favor Leonard in a head to head mythical fight.

There were a handful of guys whose best wins were comparable to Leonard, besides Ali. Charles, Moore, Armstrong, Langford, Greb, Robinson. I.e. the best of all time.

your biggest wins is the most important thing. that is where you should start. Boxing is not like other sports. In the NFL, NBA or MLB, teams play roughly even schedules. They isn't the case boxing. In boxing statistics are less reliable.

Floyd Patterson had more title defenses and beat more Hall of Famers than Sonny Liston. Yet everyone knows Liston was better.
Jack Johnson beat more Hall of Famers than Leonard. Almost everyone would rate Leonard higher.

Some Hall of Fmaers are way better than someothers. Also matter when you fought the Hall of Famer.

Right now, Elmer salsa is always wanting guys Esteban DeJesus in the HOF. Why? Because right now, Leonard and Duran have beaten the same amount of Hall of Famers. If DeJesus ever gets in, Duran would have beaten one more Hall of Famer than DeJesus.
How stupid is that? DeJesus, Duran, and Leonard have not fought for decades. But a vote in the Hall of Famer would give Duran a numerical advantage.
And elmer is never going to admit that Leonard's Hall of Famers are way better than Durans'. And they are also way better than Mayweathers.

As for the number of title defenses, take the number and multiply it by zero. That is how important the sheer number is.
Quality trumps quantity. You can always find a stiff to defend the title against.

Weight the best wins and best performances against the losses and bad performances. Take into consideration how close to a fighter's prime was and how close his opponents were. Right off the bat you can tell Leonard was better.

That's precisely what I do, and when I look at all both fighters accomplished using precisely this method. Mayweather had the better career. The margin is close. It's not a million miles away, but he had the better career.

You act as if Mayweather fought nobody of note. He beat 7 Hall of Famers. Leonard beat 4.

Mayweather also beat more Top 10 ranked contenders.

Leonard could've racked up more wins in his 80's heyday, but he chose not to. Mayweather could've racked up more wins in 2008, but he chose not to also.

[gilgamesh]

I haven't gone through all of Duran's bouts yet, but he's kinda hit or miss even in his wins. He looks great sometimes, looks mediocre other times.

He tends to shine against guys that are coming to brawl with him so he definitely would've had difficulty with Mayweather without a doubt.

[Ambling Alp II]

Leonard outboxed Benitez by a wide margin. He was about as good defensively as it gets.

Duran beat wide range of levels of fighters. There are scores of wins against stiffs. Even when he was a seasoned pro, he fought a lot of tomato cans. There are also many wins over very good fighters.

Duran has the win over Leonard of course. But Buchanan, Palomino, and Cuevas are below average for Hall of Famers. His 4-4 in Hall of Famers is as almost as misleading as Mayweather's 7-4.

My problem with Mayweather is that if you take a really hard look at the stage of the fighter's career when he actually fought them, they were probably even worse than Buchanan, Palomino, and Cuevas.

[gilgamesh]

Leonard outboxed Benitez by a wide margin. He was about as good defensively as it gets.

Duran beat wide range of levels of fighters. There are scores of wins against stiffs. Even when he was a seasoned pro, he fought a lot of tomato cans. There are also many wins over very good fighters.

Duran has the win over Leonard of course. But Buchanan, Palomino, and Cuevas are below average for Hall of Famers. His 4-4 in Hall of Famers is as almost as misleading as Mayweather's 7-4.

My problem with Mayweather is that if you take a really hard look at the stage of the fighter's career when he actually fought them, they were probably even worse than Buchanan, Palomino, and Cuevas.

Shane Mosley was the #1 Welterweight contender, and coming off of one of his biggest career wins.

Miguel Cotto was a Top 5 rated Contender who still had it in him to win the Middleweight Championship in an upset over Sergio Martinez

Saul "Canelo" Alvarez was making his 5th World Title defense, and would go on to be the face of Boxing for the next decade following Mayweather's retirement, and has since never been beaten as decisively as he was beaten by Mayweather.

Those 3 guys are Hall of Famers.

Diego Corrales was still in his absolute prime when he fought Mayweather. Ricky Hatton was still the reigning Jr. Welterweight Champion and undefeated when he fought Mayweather. Juan Manuel Marquez still had his biggest career win left in him when he fought Mayweather. Manny Pacquiao has gone 5-2-1 since fighting Mayweather, winning another World Championship and beating the at the time #1 ranked Welterweight a whole 4 years after losing to Mayweather.

You absolutely refuse to give this man credit.

[gilgamesh]

And while I'd agree that Benitez was just about as good defensively as it gets. He wasn't quite as good defensively as Floyd Mayweather obviously.

Benitez may be one of the all time Top 10 defensive boxers. Mayweather is Top 3.

Thinking Leonard is better than Mayweather is a perfectly reasonable opinion. Like I said, the gap is not a big one, but thinking Mayweather isn't in the same league or in the conversation with these guys is just absurd.

[gilgamesh]

And I know you like to say Championship fights in and of themselves don't matter, but the fact of the matter is, the competition level gets stiffer when you're holding a title for almost everyone. You can beat up on journeymen or bums when you're just another fighter, but when you're a Champion, even a paper one you generally have to fight guys that are at minimum Top 15 or 20.

There's very few fighters who's career you could go through who's biggest fights aren't Championship fights.

[Cojimar 1946]

Mayweather's biggest wins aren't as big as Leonard's biggest wins. Mayweather overall had a better career than Leonard.

He has more achievements than Leonard in almost every measurable category. He even has more Championship wins at Welterweight than Leonard does even though Welterweight was Leonard's primary weight class, while it was the 4th for Mayweather. He beat more Hall of Famers than Leonard. He has more wins total than Leonard. He has more KO wins than Leonard. He has more EVERYTHING than Leonard.

Mayweather never had to take years off in the middle of his career for a detached retina because he never suffered one. He did have to win fights with damaged hands though, and he succeeded.

I don't think Mayweather beats Leonard head to head in their prime, but I know for a fact that he had a better career than Leonard because the proof is there to see, and as for who I think would've won in a mythical fight well...maybe I'm wrong.

Except those "achievements" don't mean very much in comparison to beat 4 of the Top 50 fighters of all time, when they were still great, which is what counts. How many fighters have done this? Less than 10.
Mayweather has zero wins that compare to those 4.
Leonard had injured hands during his career as well.

What you don't get about the detached retina is that it forced Leonard out of the sport during his prime. Fighters don't come back as good as they once were after long layoffs like this. He was better than expected when he came back, but clearly not as good. And that almost always happens to fighters who came back after that kind of layoff.

Mayweather would have losses to non-great fighters in his prime if it was not for corrupt judges. Leonard did have that.
total wins? Seriously? Total wins means virtually nothing in boxing. You can always find a stiff to beat. Do we really need to go through names of guys who were not that good that had more wins than Mayweather?

The proof is that Leonard had the better career.

Benitez is not top 50 and Hagler and Hearns are extremely questionable. Hagler stayed in a single weight division his entire career and Hearns never proved himself the best at any weight class except arguably 154

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Leonard outboxed Benitez by a wide margin. He was about as good defensively as it gets.

- Carlos Padilla Harry Gibbs 136-134 Art Lurie 137-130 Ray Solis 137-133

Highlighted in order, one point from a draw and 2 points from a draw.

Terribly boring defensive shadow boxing posturing. Padilla stopped the fight with 6 seconds left in the 15th because he thought it might be a draw as a black mark on Leonard's sugared career.

[gilgamesh]

Leonard outboxed Benitez by a wide margin. He was about as good defensively as it gets.

- Carlos Padilla Harry Gibbs 136-134 Art Lurie 137-130 Ray Solis 137-133

Highlighted in order, one point from a draw and 2 points from a draw.

Terribly boring defensive shadow boxing posturing. Padilla stopped the fight with 6 seconds left in the 15th because he thought it might be a draw as a black mark on Leonard's sugared career.

It's definitely an odd stoppage considering when it comes in the fight, and the fact that Benitez didn't seem to be in all that much trouble.

Very tactical battle.

[Ambling Alp II]

Leonard outboxed Benitez by a wide margin. He was about as good defensively as it gets.

Duran beat wide range of levels of fighters. There are scores of wins against stiffs. Even when he was a seasoned pro, he fought a lot of tomato cans. There are also many wins over very good fighters.

Duran has the win over Leonard of course. But Buchanan, Palomino, and Cuevas are below average for Hall of Famers. His 4-4 in Hall of Famers is as almost as misleading as Mayweather's 7-4.

My problem with Mayweather is that if you take a really hard look at the stage of the fighter's career when he actually fought them, they were probably even worse than Buchanan, Palomino, and Cuevas.

Shane Mosley was the #1 Welterweight contender, and coming off of one of his biggest career wins.

Miguel Cotto was a Top 5 rated Contender who still had it in him to win the Middleweight Championship in an upset over Sergio Martinez

Saul "Canelo" Alvarez was making his 5th World Title defense, and would go on to be the face of Boxing for the next decade following Mayweather's retirement, and has since never been beaten as decisively as he was beaten by Mayweather.

Those 3 guys are Hall of Famers.

Diego Corrales was still in his absolute prime when he fought Mayweather. Ricky Hatton was still the reigning Jr. Welterweight Champion and undefeated when he fought Mayweather. Juan Manuel Marquez still had his biggest career win left in him when he fought Mayweather. Manny Pacquiao has gone 5-2-1 since fighting Mayweather, winning another World Championship and beating the at the time #1 ranked Welterweight a whole 4 years after losing to Mayweather.

You absolutely refuse to give this man credit.

Mosley was way past his best when he fought Mayweather. Margarito was one of his biggest wins? No.
38 years old and had had taken a lot of punishment. We are talking more 7 years past his prime.
Pacquio was 36 andhad also taken a lot of punishment. Several years past his best.
Marques was 36. He moved up ywo weight classes to fight Maywather at 147. Only had 2 fights at even 135.

Those are the biggest names. None of those wins mean much at all. It's sheer desperation to think they mare imprtant.

Corrales should not be in the HOF.
Hatton is even worse.

Ayub Kalue was a better fighter than these Corrales and Hatton. And better than the senior citizens were at the time that they fought Mayweather.

Leonard's opponents:

Hagler was 32.
Duran was 29
Hearns was 22
Benitez was 21

Compared to most guys, Mayweather's victims list is pretty good. Compared to Leonard, it's a joke.

And again, paper tiles and WBS title defenses don't mean anything.

[elmersalsa]

Leonard outboxed Benitez by a wide margin. He was about as good defensively as it gets.

Duran beat wide range of levels of fighters. There are scores of wins against stiffs. Even when he was a seasoned pro, he fought a lot of tomato cans. There are also many wins over very good fighters.

Duran has the win over Leonard of course. But Buchanan, Palomino, and Cuevas are below average for Hall of Famers. His 4-4 in Hall of Famers is as almost as misleading as Mayweather's 7-4.

My problem with Mayweather is that if you take a really hard look at the stage of the fighter's career when he actually fought them, they were probably even worse than Buchanan, Palomino, and Cuevas.

Shane Mosley was the #1 Welterweight contender, and coming off of one of his biggest career wins.

Miguel Cotto was a Top 5 rated Contender who still had it in him to win the Middleweight Championship in an upset over Sergio Martinez

Saul "Canelo" Alvarez was making his 5th World Title defense, and would go on to be the face of Boxing for the next decade following Mayweather's retirement, and has since never been beaten as decisively as he was beaten by Mayweather.

Those 3 guys are Hall of Famers.

Diego Corrales was still in his absolute prime when he fought Mayweather. Ricky Hatton was still the reigning Jr. Welterweight Champion and undefeated when he fought Mayweather. Juan Manuel Marquez still had his biggest career win left in him when he fought Mayweather. Manny Pacquiao has gone 5-2-1 since fighting Mayweather, winning another World Championship and beating the at the time #1 ranked Welterweight a whole 4 years after losing to Mayweather.

You absolutely refuse to give this man credit.

Mosley was way past his best when he fought Mayweather. Margarito was one of his biggest wins? No.
38 years old and had had taken a lot of punishment. We are talking more 7 years past his prime.
Pacquio was 36 andhad also taken a lot of punishment. Several years past his best.
Marques was 36. He moved up ywo weight classes to fight Maywather at 147. Only had 2 fights at even 135.

Those are the biggest names. None of those wins mean much at all. It's sheer desperation to think they mare imprtant.

Corrales should not be in the HOF.
Hatton is even worse.

Ayub Kalue was a better fighter than these Corrales and Hatton. And better than the senior citizens were at the time that they fought Mayweather.

Leonard's opponents:

Hagler was 32.
Duran was 29
Hearns was 22
Benitez was 21

Compared to most guys, Mayweather's victims list is pretty good. Compared to Leonard, it's a joke.

And again, paper tiles and WBS title defenses don't mean anything.

Pretty Boy Floyd had more longevity, though. That counts a lot.

[gilgamesh]

Leonard outboxed Benitez by a wide margin. He was about as good defensively as it gets.

Duran beat wide range of levels of fighters. There are scores of wins against stiffs. Even when he was a seasoned pro, he fought a lot of tomato cans. There are also many wins over very good fighters.

Duran has the win over Leonard of course. But Buchanan, Palomino, and Cuevas are below average for Hall of Famers. His 4-4 in Hall of Famers is as almost as misleading as Mayweather's 7-4.

My problem with Mayweather is that if you take a really hard look at the stage of the fighter's career when he actually fought them, they were probably even worse than Buchanan, Palomino, and Cuevas.

Shane Mosley was the #1 Welterweight contender, and coming off of one of his biggest career wins.

Miguel Cotto was a Top 5 rated Contender who still had it in him to win the Middleweight Championship in an upset over Sergio Martinez

Saul "Canelo" Alvarez was making his 5th World Title defense, and would go on to be the face of Boxing for the next decade following Mayweather's retirement, and has since never been beaten as decisively as he was beaten by Mayweather.

Those 3 guys are Hall of Famers.

Diego Corrales was still in his absolute prime when he fought Mayweather. Ricky Hatton was still the reigning Jr. Welterweight Champion and undefeated when he fought Mayweather. Juan Manuel Marquez still had his biggest career win left in him when he fought Mayweather. Manny Pacquiao has gone 5-2-1 since fighting Mayweather, winning another World Championship and beating the at the time #1 ranked Welterweight a whole 4 years after losing to Mayweather.

You absolutely refuse to give this man credit.

Mosley was way past his best when he fought Mayweather. Margarito was one of his biggest wins? No.
38 years old and had had taken a lot of punishment. We are talking more 7 years past his prime.
Pacquio was 36 andhad also taken a lot of punishment. Several years past his best.
Marques was 36. He moved up ywo weight classes to fight Maywather at 147. Only had 2 fights at even 135.

Those are the biggest names. None of those wins mean much at all. It's sheer desperation to think they mare imprtant.

Corrales should not be in the HOF.
Hatton is even worse.

Ayub Kalue was a better fighter than these Corrales and Hatton. And better than the senior citizens were at the time that they fought Mayweather.

Leonard's opponents:

Hagler was 32.
Duran was 29
Hearns was 22
Benitez was 21

Compared to most guys, Mayweather's victims list is pretty good. Compared to Leonard, it's a joke.

And again, paper tiles and WBS title defenses don't mean anything.

Leonard's Top 4 beats Mayweather's Top 4. Mayweather's 5-10 beats Leonard's 5 thru 10. Mayweather had a higher level of competition more consistently over a longer period of time.

Notice that I simply praise the achievement of Mayweather. I don't pretend as if Leonard didn't accomplish anything or like all he did was meaningless.

That's where you're making a weak argument. Pretending Mayweather isn't in the same league with these guys is just ignoring obvious reality.

And Margarito absolutely was without a doubt one of Mosley's 4 or 5 best wins.

[gilgamesh]

Hatton and Corrales are not Hall of Famers but they were prime World Champions. You said Floyd never fought anyone in their prime. Canelo was certainly a lot closer to his prime than Floyd there's no denying that. I notice you conveniently skipped over him though because you needed to.

[Sweet Dick Willie]

This is a great conversation by the way!

[gilgamesh]

It's kinda carried over into multiple threads at this point

[keithmoonhangover]

Shane Mosley was the #1 Welterweight contender, and coming off of one of his biggest career wins.

Miguel Cotto was a Top 5 rated Contender who still had it in him to win the Middleweight Championship in an upset over Sergio Martinez

Saul "Canelo" Alvarez was making his 5th World Title defense, and would go on to be the face of Boxing for the next decade following Mayweather's retirement, and has since never been beaten as decisively as he was beaten by Mayweather.

Those 3 guys are Hall of Famers.

Diego Corrales was still in his absolute prime when he fought Mayweather. Ricky Hatton was still the reigning Jr. Welterweight Champion and undefeated when he fought Mayweather. Juan Manuel Marquez still had his biggest career win left in him when he fought Mayweather. Manny Pacquiao has gone 5-2-1 since fighting Mayweather, winning another World Championship and beating the at the time #1 ranked Welterweight a whole 4 years after losing to Mayweather.

You absolutely refuse to give this man credit.

Mosley was way past his best when he fought Mayweather. Margarito was one of his biggest wins? No.
38 years old and had had taken a lot of punishment. We are talking more 7 years past his prime.
Pacquio was 36 andhad also taken a lot of punishment. Several years past his best.
Marques was 36. He moved up ywo weight classes to fight Maywather at 147. Only had 2 fights at even 135.

Those are the biggest names. None of those wins mean much at all. It's sheer desperation to think they mare imprtant.

Corrales should not be in the HOF.
Hatton is even worse.

Ayub Kalue was a better fighter than these Corrales and Hatton. And better than the senior citizens were at the time that they fought Mayweather.

Leonard's opponents:

Hagler was 32.
Duran was 29
Hearns was 22
Benitez was 21

Compared to most guys, Mayweather's victims list is pretty good. Compared to Leonard, it's a joke.

And again, paper tiles and WBS title defenses don't mean anything.

Leonard's Top 4 beats Mayweather's Top 4. Mayweather's 5-10 beats Leonard's 5 thru 10.

What about just their 147 competition?

[Sweet Dick Willie]

It's kinda carried over into multiple threads at this point

Yeah Great thread!

[Ezzard]

There's another factor here...

Leonard could have jabbed and moved an dbeen one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time. Hearns too.

But these guys were exciting to watch. In a way that Mayweater, much of the time, wasn't. But Floyd lived in an era where his lack of inside-the-ring thrills could be overcome by his cheap persona out of the ring. He was never box office gold for his fights. Just for being a clown.

If Floyd wanted the big fights he would have had to have been more aggressive and that would have allowed these guys to get to him easier.

I will say though that great defensive fighters like Floyd almost always keep fights close. Even so, Leonard wins however he wants to.

[gilgamesh]

Mosley was way past his best when he fought Mayweather. Margarito was one of his biggest wins? No.
38 years old and had had taken a lot of punishment. We are talking more 7 years past his prime.
Pacquio was 36 andhad also taken a lot of punishment. Several years past his best.
Marques was 36. He moved up ywo weight classes to fight Maywather at 147. Only had 2 fights at even 135.

Those are the biggest names. None of those wins mean much at all. It's sheer desperation to think they mare imprtant.

Corrales should not be in the HOF.
Hatton is even worse.

Ayub Kalue was a better fighter than these Corrales and Hatton. And better than the senior citizens were at the time that they fought Mayweather.

Leonard's opponents:

Hagler was 32.
Duran was 29
Hearns was 22
Benitez was 21

Compared to most guys, Mayweather's victims list is pretty good. Compared to Leonard, it's a joke.

And again, paper tiles and WBS title defenses don't mean anything.

Leonard's Top 4 beats Mayweather's Top 4. Mayweather's 5-10 beats Leonard's 5 thru 10.

What about just their 147 competition?

Leonard's got him beat there for sure. He has Benitez, Duran and Hearns at Welterweight alone. Mayweather has Pacquiao, Maidana 2x, Shane Mosley, Juan Manuel Marquez, Hatton and Judah among the biggest names.

[gilgamesh]

There's another factor here...

Leonard could have jabbed and moved an dbeen one of the greatest defensive fighters of all time. Hearns too.

But these guys were exciting to watch. In a way that Mayweater, much of the time, wasn't. But Floyd lived in an era where his lack of inside-the-ring thrills could be overcome by his cheap persona out of the ring. He was never box office gold for his fights. Just for being a clown.

If Floyd wanted the big fights he would have had to have been more aggressive and that would have allowed these guys to get to him easier.

I will say though that great defensive fighters like Floyd almost always keep fights close. Even so, Leonard wins however he wants to.

Leonard undoubtedly was a more exciting fighter than Mayweather for sure. I'm sure in previous eras being a fairly dull, safety first fighter would've limited your marketability.

Hell it limited Floyd's until he came up with the "Money" Mayweather persona and started selling himself as more of a Cocky Villain type.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Hatton and Corrales are not Hall of Famers but they were prime World Champions. You said Floyd never fought anyone in their prime. Canelo was certainly a lot closer to his prime than Floyd there's no denying that. I notice you conveniently skipped over him though because you needed to.

They are both in the hof officially
Agreed they probably shouldnt be

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Floyd went up in weight to be de la hoya and was a betting underdog on fight night. He deserves a lot of credit for that win

[gilgamesh]

Hatton and Corrales are not Hall of Famers but they were prime World Champions. You said Floyd never fought anyone in their prime. Canelo was certainly a lot closer to his prime than Floyd there's no denying that. I notice you conveniently skipped over him though because you needed to.

They are both in the hof officially
Agreed they probably shouldnt be

Hatton and Corrales are in the Hall of Fame?