I've seen some tremendous displays of heart in fights.... here a just a few...
Wilfredo Gomez vs Sanchez, Pintor and also Alfredo Layne
Bobby Chacon vs Limon 3 and 4 and Boza 1 and 2
Ali vs Frazier 1 and 3 and Norton 1
Mcguigan vs Cruz
Saad Muhammad vs Yaqui Lopez 1 and 2 and vs Johnson 2....
Ray Robinson vs Fullmer 4
...views people???...
Undersized Mickey Walker vs Max Schmelling at heaveyweight. Same could be said about Billy Conn Going toe to toe against Joe Louis. Also Jonney Owen and Du Ku Kim.
sockdollanger wrote:Archie Moore / Yvon Durelle I Corrales / Castillo I
Archie Moore getting off the deck after the third knockdown would have been my first choice. That had to be about the hardest I've seen a man get hit and go down who got up and won by knockout.
The losing effort of Davey Moore against Ultiminio Ramos. He not only struggled in the effort to retain his title: He also lost his life. A very brave fighter unfortunately almost forgotten today.
silkov wrote:I have to add Gatti vs Robinson 1 and 2 and against Ward in all 3...
In the Robinson fights, Gatti was just a drunk who couldn't put it together in the gym, and the Ward fights? Turn on Telemundo any Friday night, and you'll see the exact same thing.
I dont think so mate... try paying closer attention when watching fights if you cant seperate Gatti from the club fighters on mundo!...
Decagon wrote:They're all clubfighters. Gatti did have the skill to rise above that level, but he ignored his skills too often and worked a marketing angle. I doubt any Mexican fighter could've worked the same angle in the American media.
Well this is an old argument, we'll have to just agree to disagree... but I think its plain silly to deny Gattis exceptional heart and the fact that he was a world class fighter....
Not in any order: -
Hagler against Hearns
Mugabi against Hagler
Barkley against Hearns
Robert Hines against Matthew Hilton
Ruddock vs Tyson (1& especially 2)
Tyson vs Lewis (one of the worst one sided beatings Ive seen)
Hearns against Leonard (2nd fight)
Both Morales and Barrera (especially 1st fight)
Both Gatti and Ward (especially 1st fight)
Jeff Lacy vs Calzaghe (too brave for his own good, his corner people should be banned from boxing)
dr_devious wrote:Not in any order: -
Hagler against Hearns
Mugabi against Hagler
Barkley against Hearns
Robert Hines against Matthew Hilton
Ruddock vs Tyson (1& especially 2)
Tyson vs Lewis (one of the worst one sided beatings Ive seen)
Hearns against Leonard (2nd fight)
Both Morales and Barrera (especially 1st fight)
Both Gatti and Ward (especially 1st fight)
Jeff Lacy vs Calzaghe (too brave for his own good, his corner people should be banned from boxing)
I agree about Lacys corner... worst corner I've seen in a long time, they didnt have a damn clue!... Lacy could have been killed in there... lucky Joes just a 'slapper' 8)
Heres one I forgot, Chung Choi vs Rolando Navarrete. Corageous effort on the part of both men. I believe that both fighters sustained injuries from this fight but they stuck it out till Choi was knocked out. I think Choi had some ribs broken in the fight. To bad that both fighters faded after this fight, Choi more so than Navarrete. He came out of nowhere and faded back into oblivian, but for that one fight he put it all out there. This could also fall into the category as one of the best fights ever and one of the most underated fights ever.
kick asner wrote:Heres one I forgot, Chung Choi vs Rolando Navarrete. Corageous effort on the part of both men. I believe that both fighters sustained injuries from this fight but they stuck it out till Choi was knocked out. I think Choi had some ribs broken in the fight. To bad that both fighters faded after this fight, Choi more so than Navarrete. He came out of nowhere and faded back into oblivian, but for that one fight he put it all out there. This could also fall into the category as one of the best fights ever and one of the most underated fights ever.
Choi also gave Bazooka Limon a great fight for the title....
kick asner wrote:Heres one I forgot, Chung Choi vs Rolando Navarrete. Corageous effort on the part of both men. I believe that both fighters sustained injuries from this fight but they stuck it out till Choi was knocked out. I think Choi had some ribs broken in the fight. To bad that both fighters faded after this fight, Choi more so than Navarrete. He came out of nowhere and faded back into oblivian, but for that one fight he put it all out there. This could also fall into the category as one of the best fights ever and one of the most underated fights ever.
Choi also gave Bazooka Limon a great fight for the title....
Korean fighters seem like they have that type of fighting spirit. I wonder why he gave up boxing? I always wondered if it was due to injury.
Decagon wrote:They're all clubfighters. Gatti did have the skill to rise above that level, but he ignored his skills too often and worked a marketing angle. I doubt any Mexican fighter could've worked the same angle in the American media.
Well this is an old argument, we'll have to just agree to disagree... but I think its plain silly to deny Gattis exceptional heart and the fact that he was a world class fighter....
World Class fighter?!?!!? Why? Because he beat Terron Millet?
Try reading his record, he beat a load more fighters than Millet!...
Decagon wrote:Try actually watching his fights, instead of rummaging through Boxrec.
You've really got an attitude problem man, ...have a lay down and give us all a rest...
...and for your information I have all Gatti's fights, if you wish to buy some give me a polite pm!.... 8)
In there 2nd bout, Livingstone Bramble had won like the first 8 rounds against Ray Mancini, and really busted him up bad. The referee told Mancini he was going to stop the bout, and from that point on, Mancini turned things around and won probably all the remaining rounds. Afterwards he needed over a hundred stitches.
I think McGuigan Cruz is one of the finest examples due to the fact that he was the fighter who was at such a disadvantage. Cruz was born and raised in those climates whereas Barry was not, and not close. The guts and determination he showed against all the odds were unreal and it's his one fight where he really does deserve to be called a RING legend. I've nver seen anything like it, and hop I never do again. It actually got scary.
I still think Barry deserved to keep his title by a point or two
walshb wrote:I think McGuigan Cruz is one of the finest examples due to the fact that he was the fighter who was at such a disadvantage. Cruz was born and raised in those climates whereas Barry was not, and not close. The guts and determination he showed against all the odds were unreal and it's his one fight where he really does deserve to be called a RING legend. I've nver seen anything like it, and hop I never do again. It actually got scary.
I still think Barry deserved to keep his title by a point or two
Definately one of the best fights I've ever seen, despite the result but good example of a fighters management and corner f**king him up!... They should never have allowed them to put Barry on at that time in the evening and he probably shouldnt have been fighting anyway with the injuries that he picked up during training (twisted ankle... burst ear drum) I thought Barry lost the decison on the last round knockdowns... had he stayed on his feet in the last round he would have got the decision I think, or a draw... it was very close but the last round was a big one for Cruz....
Barrys corner during the fight was absolutely abysmal...
walshb wrote:I think McGuigan Cruz is one of the finest examples due to the fact that he was the fighter who was at such a disadvantage. Cruz was born and raised in those climates whereas Barry was not, and not close. The guts and determination he showed against all the odds were unreal and it's his one fight where he really does deserve to be called a RING legend. I've nver seen anything like it, and hop I never do again. It actually got scary.
I still think Barry deserved to keep his title by a point or two
Definately one of the best fights I've ever seen, despite the result but good example of a fighters management and corner f**king him up!... They should never have allowed them to put Barry on at that time in the evening and he probably shouldnt have been fighting anyway with the injuries that he picked up during training (twisted ankle... burst ear drum) I thought Barry lost the decison on the last round knockdowns... had he stayed on his feet in the last round he would have got the decision I think, or a draw... it was very close but the last round was a big one for Cruz....
Barrys corner during the fight was absolutely abysmal...
He really turned it around in those championship rounds until the 15th. I heard that he could have signed to figth Gomez at 130 who was a shadow of his fromer self by that point. It would have been a safer bet. Mind you, I don't blame Barry staying at 126 and the heart he showed was excellent. He should have made a quicker comeback. McGuigan-fenech would have been a classic.
